[QUOTE=Evil Policeman;29853018]Since when has that been true? No one is above the law, not even cops. Cops are only allowed to break [i]certain[/i] laws and [b][i]only[/i][/b] of it is necessary.[/QUOTE]
No, everyone turns a blind eye because [B]THEY ARE THE LAW HOW COULD THEY EVER BE BAD?[/B]
I recall an incident where a cop was speeding on a road while texting his girlfriend and killed two girls in a CAR CRASH and pretty much got paid vacation for it.
[QUOTE=Pepin;29878030]Not saying you didn't, but I am saying that the 4th amendment is easily bypassed and not even a factor in cases where the plaintiff has low credibility (teenagers).[/QUOTE]
Probable cause and reasonable suspicion clauses are mostly bullshit anyway. Exigent circumstances is really the only situation where I think it's legally feasible to execute a search and seizure, as an exception to the 4th Amendment.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;29876011]That's not really the right mindset. Police are people, just like you and I. People make mistakes. Some people like to abuse power. You can see this in other professions, like shitty managers, or shitty school teachers. I'm not saying everyone should distrust every police officer they ever meet, I just want you to acknowledge that they aren't perfect, automated, physical manifestations of the law. In addition, when they are equipped with weapons capable of killing someone, the consequences of them screwing up can be pretty awful.[/QUOTE]
Tax payers aren't paying the police to screw up, we're paying them to uphold the law. If they screw up, they can find a new fucking job.
[QUOTE=zzzZZZZ;29878205]Probable cause and reasonable suspicion clauses are mostly bullshit anyway. Exigent circumstances is really the only situation where I think it's legally feasible to execute a search and seizure, as an exception to the 4th Amendment.[/QUOTE]
I agree that most probably cause and reasonable suspicion is not valid. [url=https://www.hudson.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=publication_details&id=3135]Nine out of ten car searches come up with nothing[/url], meaning that probable cause and reasonable suspicion is wrong 90% of the time. If something has that big of a margin of error, is it really applicable to so many situations? According to [url=http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/druguse/]this source[/url] about ten or more percent of people use marijuana. So what this means is that if you search 10 people, you are likely to find an illegal drug on at least one of them. Add in anything else they could find that would be illegal in a search and you get a higher percentage, but lets just assume 10% of people have drugs on them at any given time. This suggests that reasonable suspicion and probable cause don't mean anything in that the 10% of the time the police officer's instincts are right, it is more accountable to the statical probability that one out of those ten is in possession of something illegal more than having anything to do with their instincts.
I can certainly see the counter to part of this reasoning is assuming that the 10% of people who use drugs will have drugs on them when driving and I'm trying to find data on that, but I still I think I have a point with what I am saying.
I can't stand skaters at all. Especially when they make up excuses like: "I was riding on a board with wheels, what laws can I possibly break?"
The cop tries to get them off quietly and they just end up being cocksuckers about it. Most of the time they're on private property anyway, so they're not supposed to be riding around on skateboards.
fuck da police
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;29871479]So arresting car thieves is somehow "protecting the institution"?[/QUOTE]
Leaving a car, which is on and has a door open, in a poor neighborhood is not crime prevention.
It's just as terrible as the click it or ticket campaign, fining someone a hundred some dollars because they don't care to put on a seat belt is a horrible infringement on that persons personal freedom, hidden behind a moral message saying "we're saving people".
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;29879390]Leaving a car, which is on and has a door open, in a poor neighborhood is not crime prevention.
It's just as terrible as the click it or ticket campaign, fining someone a hundred some dollars because they don't care to put on a seat belt is a horrible infringement on that persons personal freedom, hidden behind a moral message saying "we're saving people".[/QUOTE]
Yeah totally infringing on your rights to drive around without a crucial safety device on. Doesn't matter that it might be the only thing that keeps your face from smashing into your windshield if you were in an auto wreck
[QUOTE=Esrange;29879454]Yeah totally infringing on your rights to drive around without a crucial safety device on. Doesn't matter that it might be the only thing that keeps your face from smashing into your windshield if you were in an auto wreck[/QUOTE]
Adults should be allowed to choose between using a safety device and slowly dying in their overturned car, if the state believes not enough people are using seat belts they should turn to PSAs rather than outright outlawing the choice not to wear a seat belt.
[QUOTE=zzzZZZZ;29878205]Probable cause and reasonable suspicion clauses are mostly bullshit anyway. [/QUOTE]
How would they be "bullshit." They are what really give an officer a job. It's what gives them the right to pull someone over, its the reason people dont get killed in domestics when they are standing outside, its the reason they can catch suspects.
[QUOTE=Pepin;29879304]I agree that most probably cause and reasonable suspicion is not valid. [url=https://www.hudson.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=publication_details&id=3135]Nine out of ten car searches come up with nothing[/url], meaning that probable cause and reasonable suspicion is wrong 90% of the time.[/QUOTE]
Not all of those searches were based on probable cause, I'm sure plenty of people just go along with it and say "sure go ahead and search, I have nothing to hide".
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;29879542]Adults should be allowed to choose between using a safety device and slowly dying in their overturned car, if the state believes not enough people are using seat belts they should turn to PSAs rather than outright outlawing the choice not to wear a seat belt.[/QUOTE]
If your car is to the point where it's flipped upside down and your unable to take your seat belt off.
Don't you think that not being strapped to your seat and instead allowed to be flung around the inside of your car like a ragdoll might not be the best choice?
I'm fine with the seat belt laws. Idiots should buckle up. Same thing about helmet laws too. Everyone needs to have a helmet on even if they're an adult. Theres no harm that comes from it
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;29879542]Adults should be allowed to choose between using a safety device and slowly dying in their overturned car, if the state believes not enough people are using seat belts they should turn to PSAs rather than outright outlawing the choice not to wear a seat belt.[/QUOTE]
Having the state threaten you to take away your money if you do not have a seatbelt on, is a greater incentive to wear a seatbelt as opposed to having paramedics leave you in a wreck when they know that you're not wearing one. Or hearing how they will threaten to leave your dumbass in a wreck when you weren't wearing a seatbelt in the first place.
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;29879542]Adults should be allowed to choose between using a safety device and slowly dying in their overturned car, if the state believes not enough people are using seat belts they should turn to PSAs rather than outright outlawing the choice not to wear a seat belt.[/QUOTE]
Statistically, after the law has passed, motor vehicle accident survival rate has risen.
auto merge :ninja:
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;29879542]Adults should be allowed to choose between using a safety device and slowly dying in their overturned car, if the state believes not enough people are using seat belts they should turn to PSAs rather than outright outlawing the choice not to wear a seat belt.[/QUOTE]
I'm typically against victimless crime laws, but seatbelt laws are the exception. There is no legitimate reason to choose not to wear a seatbelt. It's not difficult, uncomfortable, or problematic in any way, and they save millions of lives.
I just annoy the police with complicated math problems and they leave me the fuck alone... thats how true Asians get out of a ticket...
[QUOTE=dragonkilla;29879839]I just annoy the police with complicated math problems and they leave me the fuck alone... thats how true Asians get out of a ticket...[/QUOTE]
What? Do i hear Language Line?
[QUOTE=areolop;29879898]What? Do i hear Language Line?[/QUOTE]
The probability of you hearing a language line is 25% BITCH
[QUOTE=dragonkilla;29879903]The probability of you hearing a language line is 25% BITCH[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.languageline.com/] are we talking about the same language line? because im talking about the one that you call and they can speak into it and the person on the other end will read it back in English.[/url]
People should be able to make the decision to wear a seat belt or not.
I wear my seat belt, not because I don't want a ticket, but because I don't want my brain splattered on the pavement when I inevitably get in a car crash.
I'm not against people opting out of wearing a seat belt. If they didn't, then you'd put a lot of dead body cleanup servicemen out of business.
As for the police, I could live with them or without them. Never met a good cop, but I'm sure there are some out there.
I'm against mandatory seat belt rules for adults. That is why I like New Hampshire. Personally I always buckle up, but I don't think others should if they don't want to, and I don't think people should be fined for not doing it.
[QUOTE=fenwick;29879602]Not all of those searches were based on probable cause, I'm sure plenty of people just go along with it and say "sure go ahead and search, I have nothing to hide".[/QUOTE]
It's assumed there is some reasonable suspicion to justify a request to search. Otherwise you'd be suggesting some significant percentage of these searches are done for no reason at all because there is nothing at all to indicate that the suspects might be doing something illegal. I actually do find that to be true a small amount of the time, but I'm confident in thinking that the police don't search cars unless they have some suspicion.
The thought of even 5% of searches being done without any form of suspicion is bit frightening.
[QUOTE=dragonkilla;29879839]I just annoy the police with complicated math problems and they leave me the fuck alone... thats how true Asians get out of a ticket...[/QUOTE]
I would probably beat your head in with my baton, spray your eyes out with mace, taze your balls until they're jelly, and shoot your kneecaps out.
And that is why you don't do math to cops, kids
on the topic of seatbelts
I believe you should have the right to be a dumbfuck and die on the roadside as a result of not wearing it.
natural selection?
You all won't be saying not wearing your seatbelt only affects you when you're driving back from the Kaiser Wilhelm lookalike contest and go flying out the window and impale the the puppy a lonely orphan got for Christmas.
[QUOTE=Bletotum;29880468]on the topic of seatbelts
I believe you should have the right to be a dumbfuck and die on the roadside as a result of not wearing it.
natural selection?[/QUOTE]
I'd rather not have my public healthcare pay for some shitbrain who can't operate a seatbelt.
thats why you hope they die
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This thread in a nutshell:
My uncle is a police officer who patrols my upper-class white neighborhood and he's really nice to me, so all the stories of police abuse that can be verified with hundreds of eyewitness and internet sources are all just angst ridden teenagers complaining!
snip nobody saw this
[QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;29880553]I'd rather not have my public healthcare pay for some shitbrain who can't operate a seatbelt.[/QUOTE]
public health care, in my america?
[QUOTE=areolop;29853314]Typical American:
When pulled over, Fuck the police.
When their life is in danger and they need someone to help them, Thank god for the police.
[i]You hate us, until you need us[/i][/QUOTE]
Want to know why I don't like the police? I was at a certain event and this happened
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dH9dfuePiw[/media]
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