Trying to keep this alive but it's almost impossible... so I'll throw another video in..
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[QUOTE=Rago;33918724]Trying to[B] keep this alive but it's almost impossible[/B]... so I'll throw another video in..[/quote]
Take the hint~
Holy shit man you seem talented in doing this stuff (and you train of course, but still).
Trying to learn tuck planche with pseudo push ups and l-sit, it's gonna take quite some time though I think...
[QUOTE=Number-41;33920566]Holy shit man you seem talented in doing this stuff (and you train of course, but still).
Trying to learn tuck planche with pseudo push ups and l-sit, it's gonna take quite some time though I think...[/QUOTE]
If you are truly determined to do them, you'll get them in a month or two.
It also helps if you are literally 120lbs or less
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;33952719]It also helps if you are literally 120lbs or less[/QUOTE]
Not really, unless I trained with weights.
[QUOTE=Rago;33954202]Not really, unless I trained with weights.[/QUOTE]
That sentence is completely nonsensical.
You're already 120lbs, don't add retarded to the list ((it may in fact, be too late))
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;33954690]That sentence is completely nonsensical.
You're already 120lbs, don't add retarded to the list ((it may in fact, be too late))[/QUOTE]
No, really. Take Yuri van Gelder for example. 160 CM en weights 60 kilo. He's smaller but weights more than me. That dude is the strongest person in bodyweight in this world.
It helps to have skinny legs, like I do. I've got chicken legs, but other than that, nothing else helps. I'm now slowly gaining weight so that I have more bodyweight to train with.
[QUOTE=Rago;33962582]No, really. Take Yuri van Gelder for example. 160 CM en weights 60 kilo. He's smaller but weights more than me. That dude is the strongest person in bodyweight in this world.
It helps to have skinny legs, like I do. I've got chicken legs, but other than that, nothing else helps. I'm now slowly gaining weight so that I have more bodyweight to train with.[/QUOTE]
You're still not making any sense.
A dude who is stronger than you is stronger than you? [B]NO WAY[/B]
p.s guess what? Yuri Van Gelder has resistance training with weights as part of his training regime, but plz no!!! weight training makes you dumb bulky and slow right????? :((
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;33962919]You're still not making any sense.
A dude who is stronger than you is stronger than you? [B]NO WAY[/B]
p.s guess what? Yuri Van Gelder has resistance training with weights as part of his training regime, but plz no!!! weight training makes you dumb bulky and slow right????? :(([/QUOTE]
Not really, weight training just leaves out proper joint en tendon preparation for advanced moves such as the Iron Cross or the Full Planche.
[QUOTE=Rago;33963102]Not really, weight training just [B]leaves out proper joint en tendon preparation[/B] for advanced moves such as the Iron Cross or the Full Planche.[/QUOTE]
No it doesn't. We've had this argument before, please stop trying to talk tech when you don't know tech. Thanks.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;33963298]No it doesn't. We've had this argument before, please stop trying to talk tech when you don't know tech. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it does. For example, this very joint:
[img]http://i40.tinypic.com/116t1md.jpg[/img]
Lots of people damage that joint when attempting an Iron Cross, this is due the lack of joint preparation. Coach Sommer (famous gymnast coach), recommended us this routine:
[quote]The elbows and biceps need to be gradually prepared prior to beginning strenuous iron cross training. Generally I begin athletes with the series listed below. During all of these steps pressure should be felt on the biceps. If this pressure is not felt, then continue working that variation until you are strong enough to execute it correctly.
Elbow Preparation Series for Iron Cross Work:
1) XR support hold - Focusing on elbows locked and straight is critical here.
a) It is also quite acceptable to insert both XR support swings and XR swinging supports into this phase. 10 repetitions of large XR swinging supports can be especially challenging, as well as a lot of fun 8), while struggling to maintain the correct position.
2) XR L-sit.
3) XR 1/2 press - During this element, the athlete will press up as high as possible into a half press HS maintaining completely locked elbows and rings turned out at all times. Do not attempt to press higher than it is possible for you to maintain the correct arm/elbow position. Please note that this is an essential element in this progression.
4) XR HS - There should be a substantial degree of pressure on the biceps during a correctly performed XR HS. If this pressure is not present, in all likelihood either the elbows are bent or the rings are not turned out.
5) XR Planche variations - Some individuals may find that they are physically strong enough to proceed directly from XR HS work to the iron cross training as planche training can be a time consuming proposition. However for those who see it through, achieving a solid planche prior to beginning serious iron cross work will pay substantial dividends in the long term.
6) XR Iron Cross work.
Simultaneously alongside with the above progressions; the athlete may also engage in elbow supported iron cross static holds and iron cross pulls.
Yours in Fitness,
Coach Sommer[/quote]
But of course, this is not with all the joints, ligaments and tendons. But for really advanced moves such as the IR, the planche, the maltese and levers, calisthenics is recommended as it trains the correct muscles you need. Weight training is more focused on the size and strength of a muscle instead of the tendons. One can have large tendons and small muscles and one can have small tendons but large muscles. The one who has larger muscles can carry more weight but the one that has larger tendons can perform more advanced moves using all the strength of their muscles. You can have large muscles but that doesn't mean you can use the full strength of it. Tendons are like... cables that decide how much strength can go through, if they're small you can't use too much strength.
To sum this all up, weight training is more focused on the strength and size of the muscles. Calisthenics is focused on every aspect of a muscle for better performance.
Holy shit here we go again
There is no functional difference between bodyweight training and weight training you retard. The only difference is the load/resistance applied. Heavy resistance training INCREASES the strength of tendons and ligaments, where the fuck do you come up with this shit? Plzz help weights just make my mussels big and my joints weak, but somehow tuck planches and other gay shit have ~magical~ ability to strengthen my tendons.
US Army rangers brought in an powerlifting coach to increase their anaerobic performance and to reduce the rate of injury (tendon injuries, joint problems). Guess what they did? Weight training. Guess what happened? Their performance improved and their injury rate during training fell dramatically. Guess what they were doing for PT before hand? Calisthenics. Yeah b/w really is better for performance :rolleye:
If you actually did weight training, you would find you get stronger quicker, and would be able to achieve your bodyweight techniques more easily. Again there is a reason almost every elite gymnast (your precious b/w champions) have weight training in their routines to lesser or more degrees.
Maneuvers like the iron cross or anything that requires a great deal of balance is skill work. I.E CNS adaptations. This is exactly the same as any kind of complicated maneuver, such as olympic lifting or fuck, any technical maneuver that requires practice. Sprinters do heavy resistance training, yet it's a bodyweight sport, gee I wonder why??????
To sum this all up, you don't know what you are talking about, so stop trying to talk like you do.
fight fight fight!
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;33965073]Holy shit here we go again
There is no functional difference between bodyweight training and weight training you retard. The only difference is the load/resistance applied. Heavy resistance training INCREASES the strength of tendons and ligaments, where the fuck do you come up with this shit? Plzz help weights just make my mussels big and my joints weak, but somehow tuck planches and other gay shit have ~magical~ ability to strengthen my tendons.
US Army rangers brought in an powerlifting coach to increase their anaerobic performance and to reduce the rate of injury (tendon injuries, joint problems). Guess what they did? Weight training. Guess what happened? Their performance improved and their injury rate during training fell dramatically. Guess what they were doing for PT before hand? Calisthenics. Yeah b/w really is better for performance :rolleye:
If you actually did weight training, you would find you get stronger quicker, and would be able to achieve your bodyweight techniques more easily. Again there is a reason almost every elite gymnast (your precious b/w champions) have weight training in their routines to lesser or more degrees.
Maneuvers like the iron cross or anything that requires a great deal of balance is skill work. I.E CNS adaptations. This is exactly the same as any kind of complicated maneuver, such as olympic lifting or fuck, any technical maneuver that requires practice. Sprinters do heavy resistance training, yet it's a bodyweight sport, gee I wonder why??????
To sum this all up, you don't know what you are talking about, so stop trying to talk like you do.[/QUOTE]
Okay, so according to you, if one could bench press his own weight, one could do a planche? Since it's the same motion, is it not? The Iron Cross requires no balance at all, it's pure strength. SO AGAIN, according to you, one could an Iron Cross if he or she could hold their weights in their arms in a cross position? Tell me, can you bench press your own weight, if so. Please post a fucking video of you doing a planche.
Some elite gymnasts use weight training because their tendons are so well trained that they almost can't train it any further, which is why they can use weight training. And btw, they only do it as warming-up. I've seen Yuri van Gelder's training routine and many other athletes such as Danny Rodriguez.
I'm not saying weight training is completely useless and that calisthenics is better, I'm saying, that for a gymnast calisthenics is better as it trains the proper muscles, tendons and joints. Trust me, you won't find any weight training that can train joints like the incision joint of the elbow.
rago is made of 100% downs
hahahhahha
holy shit he is literally retarded
[editline]30th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rago;33969329][B]Okay, so according to you, if one could bench press his own weight, one could do a planche? Since it's the same motion, is it not? The Iron Cross requires no balance at all, it's pure strength. SO AGAIN, according to you, one could an Iron Cross if he or she could hold their weights in their arms in a cross position? Tell me, can you bench press your own weight, if so. Please post a fucking video of you doing a planche[/B].
Some elite gymnasts use weight training because their tendons are so well trained that they almost can't train it any further, which is why they can use weight training. And btw, they only do it as warming-up. I've seen Yuri van Gelder's training routine and many other athletes such as Danny Rodriguez.
I'm not saying weight training is completely useless and that calisthenics is better, I'm saying, that for a gymnast calisthenics is better as it trains the proper muscles, tendons and joints. Trust me, you won't find any weight training that can train joints like the incision joint of the elbow.[/QUOTE]
You are literally retarded if you think that is what I said.
Go get some reading comprehension skills (special education teachers may be able to help you, but then again, I think the curriculum for special needs kids is sticking blocks on top of eachother and licking walls) and then come back mayhap.
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mayhap
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;33970964]hahahhahha
holy shit he is literally retarded
[editline]30th December 2011[/editline]
You are literally retarded if you think that is what I said.
Go get some reading comprehension skills (special education teachers may be able to help you, but then again, I think the curriculum for special needs kids is sticking blocks on top of eachother and licking walls) and then come back mayhap.[/QUOTE]
I'm not even going to respond to a comment that immature. And I thought I was the 'kid'
*cant think of counter arguement, resort to ad Hominem*
[QUOTE=Casnus;33971622]*cant think of counter arguement, resort to ad Hominem*[/QUOTE]
It's simply impossible to get through his thick head. He's a stereo-type bodybuilder who thinks that bodybuilding is the solution to everything. He's got no idea what he is talking about, but bodybuilders are generally known for their lack of intelligence in these sort of things.
Hahahaha
Holy shit, the sheer stupidity coming from you is amazing. I'm not even mad anymore when I see you post, just wonderfully amused.
pssst I'm not a bodybuilder. Nor anywhere have I said anything about body building training. Maybe you should stop making assumptions.
[editline]31st December 2011[/editline]
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Hey guys I'm Jaeger, I'm a stereotypical bodybuilding dick head, I have no idea what I talk about, and I'm generally known for my lack of intelligence in these things.
I lift the heavy thing up, i put it back dooowwwn.
bodybuilders get big by chance obv
not by research
loads of it nope
wow i would like to be in shape, here i ll just lift this dumb bell. woops im huge
Seriously, this argument again? I mean, I wouldn't replace weightlifting with bw exercises, but bw exercises do have a place if used in combination with it.
Personally I think bodyweight training is much more useful, since in real life you usally jsut need strength to move yourself around. I think it's sad that out of all the guys I know who bench press >200lbs can't lift themselves up on a pull-up bar.
MAYBE BECAUSE THEYRE DIFFERENT FUCKING MOVEMENTS WITH DIFFERENT FUCKIN MUSCLES BEING USED NOONE CARES ABOUT YOUR UNEDUCATED OPINION HOLY SHIT
[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;33982358]Seriously, this argument again? I mean, I wouldn't replace weightlifting with bw exercises[B], but bw exercises do have a place if used in combination with it.[/B][/QUOTE]
Someone gets it.
The point here is jago seems to think b/w movements have some magical benefit that weight training doesn't. Plz help weights are just for making your mussels bigger and unfunctional :downs:
calisthenics somehow magically strengthening tendons and joints but as soon as you touch a weight, it somehow bypasses that is the most brosciencey bullshit I've ever heard.
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