[QUOTE=Casnus;33983019]MAYBE BECAUSE THEYRE DIFFERENT FUCKING MOVEMENTS WITH DIFFERENT FUCKIN MUSCLES BEING USED NOONE CARES ABOUT YOUR UNEDUCATED OPINION HOLY SHIT[/QUOTE]
It's still sad that they can't.
sad marathon runners can run 26 miles but cant squat 500 :'(
[editline]1st January 2012[/editline]
no sry thats too similiar, sad marathon runners cant do 150 lb bent over rows :'(
[QUOTE=Casnus;33988606]sad marathon runners can run 26 miles but cant squat 500 :'(
[editline]1st January 2012[/editline]
no sry thats too similiar, sad marathon runners cant do 150 lb bent over rows :'([/QUOTE]
That's endurance, we were talking about strength
its honestly as good a comparison as benching to pull ups
[editline]1st January 2012[/editline]
im not sure what jaeger is argueing but noone gives a shit what you do . to think weight training gains is all unfunctional is retarded, if someone were to train every single muscle used in a pullup or plance or iron cross with weight training in a very small amount of time they could easily adapt to the calisthenic movements and out perform anyone doing them by bodyweight only. thats not to say some calisthenics shit is p rad and has its uses and for the everyday man is prob more important unless they actually like powerlifting or wanting big mussuls
[editline]1st January 2012[/editline]
10:00 PM - Chicken choking douche: that a lot of movements in gymnastics have nothing to do with strength, rather they are skill based movements
10:00 PM - Chicken choking douche: do you know why i cant do a backflip?
10:00 PM - Chicken choking douche: I've never done a back flip before
10:01 PM - ( ◕‿‿◕ ): um
10:01 PM - ( ◕‿‿◕ ): because ur legs are unfunctional
10:01 PM - ( ◕‿‿◕ ): obv
10:01 PM - Chicken choking douche: ^
10:01 PM - Chicken choking douche: its because i squat
10:01 PM - Chicken choking douche: baseketball players dont get increases in their vertical jumps from squats, they get it from tuck planches duh
10:01 PM - Chicken choking douche: p.s tuck planche is about the gayest sounding thing ever
thats what hes argueing there u go
[editline]1st January 2012[/editline]
hes the chicken choking douche btw
A backflip isn't a strength move and most of the tumbling moves aren't. Rings however are pure strength.
hes argueing that he cant do a backflip and alot of other cali moves ( including the dicking around with the rings bit ) because he lacks the cns adaptations to that move to do them not the strength ( him as an example of decent weightlifter)
[QUOTE=Casnus;33997857]hes argueing that he cant do a backflip and alot of other cali moves ( including the dicking around with the rings bit ) because he lacks the cns adaptations to that move to do them not the strength ( him as an example of decent weightlifter)[/QUOTE]
The first time I touched the rings I could do a back lever and Iron Cross, what cns adaptations? I never did a back lever in my entire life, but I just did calisthenics.
lol ok rago weight lifting is unfunctional and only makes your muscles look bigger . your yahoo answer sources are the epitome of science in physiology. you being able to move your 120 lb body into those positions prove that someone at 180 and 10% body fat cant ever be able to do that unless he trains for months on calisthenics because those muscles are for show
That's quite the difficult topic actually. I think it'd be good to start with what happens inside your body when you lift something.
Your muscles allow you to move. A muscle has only one direction it can move: contraction, or shortening. To do this, there are many small fibers with contractile proteins. Depending on the weight, more or less contractile proteins are engaged; this translates into different extents of tension.
If you only lift your arm, you need a small amount of tension. If there is additional _resistance_, then this tension must be increased in order to move.
What you have to keep in mind is this: [b]your muscles have no eyes and can't look outside your body[/b].
Do you know what that means?
It doesn't matter in ANY form from where the resistance comes from. Whether you use levers, range of motion, imaginary resistance or just "plain old dumb" add more plates on your barbell [b]is of no relevance what so ever.[/b]
As long as you demand more tension from your muscles you're good to go.
Obviously your passive movement system (tendons, ligaments, bones, cartilage) must strengthen as well to handle the increased weight. Your bones will get denser whether you use calisthenics or lifting.
Advanced calisthenics and compound lifts teach you the same basic skill: the application of tension.
The rest is balance and coordination.
Hope that helps.
tbh i forgot how autistic you were so i had to look through this thread ( atleast the first couple pages ) and holy shit you are the most fcuking downy peice of shit in the world flip floping and never listening to anyone about anything. its all fuckin cool and dandy if you want to do calisthenics but dont even think about fucking acting like weightlifting is useless or unfunctional or "Calisthenics basically turns all your mass into muscles, if you want more mass then yes, weightlifting would help. "
what ever the fuck that means . learn what the fuck youre talking about before you start preaching something. we have had this arguement atleast 2 other times and every time you end up looking like an uneducated idiot. calisthenics isnt some magical thing that makes you strong or toned or anything idiotic like that , its still puts loads on your muscle that you have to overcome. the only fuckin differnce is cns adaptations. regardless none of that matters when youre one hundred fucking pounds. youre prob huffing and puffing behind that monitor ready to report me too i assume
[editline]1st January 2012[/editline]
not u wuwei you seem like a nice guy
Yet I haven't found a single person who does weight training only that can do a planche... I wonde why?
rago are you like trolling me
like seriously
sERIOUSLY????
[editline]2nd January 2012[/editline]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvqx7Rglvw[/url] wow he got so swole on calisthenics , no way he could or anyone else that weight lifts do a plance because all that muscle is unfunctional
his leg prob weighs more than u rago..........................
Why not bodybuild/powerlift/oly(or all three) n do this.
Blows my mind, its not that hard to do both.
And lettuce b realtea,you won't get past 220 AT most lean as a natural bodybuilder, and that's with years of dedication, so that shit won't fuck up your flexibility or whatever. I would bet I'm still more flexible then you guys at 250-60lbs.
[QUOTE=Casnus;34002415]rago are you like trolling me
like seriously
sERIOUSLY????
[editline]2nd January 2012[/editline]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvqx7Rglvw[/url] wow he got so swole on calisthenics , no way he could or anyone else that weight lifts do a plance because all that muscle is unfunctional[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I know that guy, he used to be a gymnast.
[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;34010544][video=youtube;M4Nz_ln5zHY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Nz_ln5zHY[/video][/QUOTE]
Hannibal doesn't train with weights, at least he said that in his videos.
im not making a point or participating in whatever argument u guys are having im just posting a video of my fave dude doing calisthenics
[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;34011021]im not making a point or participating in whatever argument u guys are having im just posting a video of my fave dude doing calisthenics[/QUOTE]
Oh okay! Have you seen his one handed front-lever pull?
Have you even bothered reading my post ?
[QUOTE=WuWei;34011353]Have you even bothered reading my post ?[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, read it yesterday. Forget to reply to it. You're right, but weight training uses different motions, meaning, someone who lifts weight or does curls or bench presses can't get to a stage where he can do advanced calisthenics moves. However, if that person would, for example, train with a weighted vest and then do calisthenics, I think he would be able to achieve those moves.
So you're just saying what I wrote: calisthenics and weight lifting both produce strength and size.
Calisthenics is different because it requires more "skill", aka balance and coordination.
Placing two different disciplines next to each other and saying that both require the same body configuration (muscle strength, tendon strength, whatever strength) is stupid.
It's clear that both require considerate amounts of strength (just like rock climbing, gymnastics, wrestling,... W/E) though callisthenics also requires balance and coordination, or at least a different type of those (i.e. balancing your whole body).
Weightlifting allows you to go further in muscle strength (your body weight is finite, weights aren't). It's clear that people who lift weights have an advantage over your everyday neckbeard when it comes to callisthenics since quite some core strength is already there, though it still requires quite some practice to do those specific moves. Weight lifting doesn't make you automatically good in any sport/discipline, though it does provide a good basis of core strength.
Can we please settle this argument now. It's turning in a pure ad hominem discussion.
fuck u number 41 u smell like shit!!!
Thank you for illustrating that
@Number-41 Again, there hasn't been said anything new. The fact stays that you simply need some skill
to do calisthenics.
Anyway, I'm out of here now :)
ya completely skillless to do a dl with perfect form
[editline]2nd January 2012[/editline]
or squat
[editline]2nd January 2012[/editline]
and its super hard for a 100 lb kid do to crazy cali shit but ez as fuck to do high lifts. and all those high lifts are unfunctional because they dont make you able to instantly do perfect cali moves because cns adaptations have nothing to do with either cali or weight lifting . nope its all strength and no mussel
They're both completely different techniques, how can you compare them?
both are stressors on the muscle , the only thing diff are the cns adaptations. for some reason rago and other people seem to have a belief that things that specialize in cns adaptations or muscle memory are the end all on the topic of strength or mass or even function.
[QUOTE=Casnus;34017914]both are stressors on the muscle , the only thing diff are the cns adaptations. for some reason rago and other people seem to have a belief that things that specialize in cns adaptations or muscle memory are the end all on the topic of strength or mass or even function.[/QUOTE]
This.
I'm not going to bother arguing over this anymore, because anyone with half a brain can take a cursory look at rago's earlier posts in this thread and see he should probably read a physiology textbook before spouting anymore asinine statements about the ~magical~ benefits of calisthenics.
"Calisthenics basically turns all your mass into muscles, if you want more mass then yes, weightlifting would help. " --- I love this.
[QUOTE=Casnus;33983019]MAYBE BECAUSE THEYRE DIFFERENT FUCKING MOVEMENTS WITH DIFFERENT FUCKIN MUSCLES BEING USED NOONE CARES ABOUT YOUR UNEDUCATED OPINION HOLY SHIT[/QUOTE]
Holy god, I knew roids made you angry, but you went on like 7 more posts still bitching about this. You can train your lats doing bench press, but even if you couldn't and they were COMPLETELY different movements, that wouldn't matter because that wasn't the point I was trying to make.
But fine, the same guys in my gym at school do lat. pulls the same as their body weight or higher, and still can't do pullups, or only 1 or 2.
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