Weightlifting/Bodybuilding Thread V.7 - let's see if more people care about themselves

[spaceghost]

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;49828700]Unless you're on gear no

Naturals get the most out of low volume heavy weight[/QUOTE]

Low reps at a high % of your 1rm doesn't maximize hyperthophy. Besides I switch it around every 5-6 weeks.

[Pointman]

Alright, guys, I think it's time I do something.

I'm 16 and live in an area where the bogans (basically people who live off the government's money, are cunts in general and probably goes home after the gym to his family of 6 to rip into the bong) basically own the gym.

So because of that, I'd like to avoid the gym.

I'm by no means overweight but I'm also not in shape (I can weigh myself later if you want). My diet is completely fucked and me being a teen without a job it's kinda hard to change my diet, still living with family.

I don't want to get ripped, but I want to become fit and live a healthy lifestyle.

I was thinking about getting a notepad and listing anything- diet, activity, etc, and after a while review it to see what needs to be changed.

What are you tips, Facepunch? I'm willing to use a bike on the track as well, if it helps.

[Heigou]

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;49828917]Low reps at a high % of your 1rm doesn't maximize hyperthophy. Besides I switch it around every 5-6 weeks.[/QUOTE]

Neither does 25 reps, it's more like cardio at this point.

[Fourier]

[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;49829223]Alright, guys, I think it's time I do something.

I'm 16 and live in an area where the bogans (basically people who live off the government's money, are cunts in general and probably goes home after the gym to his family of 6 to rip into the bong) basically own the gym.

So because of that, I'd like to avoid the gym.

I'm by no means overweight but I'm also not in shape (I can weigh myself later if you want). My diet is completely fucked and me being a teen without a job it's kinda hard to change my diet, still living with family.

I don't want to get ripped, but I want to become fit and live a healthy lifestyle.

I was thinking about getting a notepad and listing anything- diet, activity, etc, and after a while review it to see what needs to be changed.

What are you tips, Facepunch? I'm willing to use a bike on the track as well, if it helps.[/QUOTE]

Find physical job where you constantly move and get paid. You don't need much skills for jobs like that.

[Slendermang]

[QUOTE=TechnoSandwic;49829223]Alright, guys, I think it's time I do something.

I'm 16 and live in an area where the bogans (basically people who live off the government's money, are cunts in general and probably goes home after the gym to his family of 6 to rip into the bong) basically own the gym.

So because of that, I'd like to avoid the gym.

I'm by no means overweight but I'm also not in shape (I can weigh myself later if you want). My diet is completely fucked and me being a teen without a job it's kinda hard to change my diet, still living with family.

I don't want to get ripped, but I want to become fit and live a healthy lifestyle.

I was thinking about getting a notepad and listing anything- diet, activity, etc, and after a while review it to see what needs to be changed.

What are you tips, Facepunch? I'm willing to use a bike on the track as well, if it helps.[/QUOTE]

Do calisthenics, get your diet in order and do something for your cardiovascular health if you just want to be healthy.

Also, don't fall into the trap of doing tons of push ups(I think ya'll call it press ups??), your pecs will become over developed and you'll have forward rounded shoulders, I dunno how you'd counter act that. I just know that it happens.
Rock climbing and shit like that is fun AF and healthy, perhaps look into cycling?

[Deadman123]

Chest day today, 5x5 on bench with 225, 5x8 arnold press with 60s, skullcrushers 3x10, cable standing and bent over flies with 100lbs on each 3x10, rope pulldowns 3x10, shoulder crescent moon things with the cable(dunno what they're called actually) 3x10

RIP Chest/tris/shoulders, it was glorious

[CabooseRvB]

265LB Squat for four reps.

I remember last year my one-rep was 265 max. Now I can pull reps from it.

[dilzinyomouth]

the argument over high reps vs low reps is dumb fyi

try telling me about how gymnasts have poor muscular development because almost all of their work is high rep and long time under tension.

so is the rationale that you have to be on gear to benefit from high reps - just an absurd idea on the face of it. By what mechanism would gear make high reps more beneficial just out of the blue? Steroids accelerate the process, they don't change the process.

the best gains I ever got on my shoulders was from a program that involved ridiculously high reps - one of the exercises was literally 100 lateral raises for 1 set, I would usually fail and cry like a little bitch at the 50 mark. This was on top of a routine that had more conventional sets but was still high volume overall, the lowest rep range was 8.

and that was before i sucked dick for trenbolone

p.s if anyone wants that program i probably have it on my computer still

[Heigou]

I'll take that program

[Slendermang]

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;49853705]the argument over high reps vs low reps is dumb fyi

try telling me about how gymnasts have poor muscular development because almost all of their work is high rep and long time under tension.

so is the rationale that you have to be on gear to benefit from high reps - just an absurd idea on the face of it. By what mechanism would gear make high reps more beneficial just out of the blue? Steroids accelerate the process, they don't change the process.

the best gains I ever got on my shoulders was from a program that involved ridiculously high reps - one of the exercises was literally 100 lateral raises for 1 set, I would usually fail and cry like a little bitch at the 50 mark. This was on top of a routine that had more conventional sets but was still high volume overall, the lowest rep range was 8.

and that was before i sucked dick for trenbolone

p.s if anyone wants that program i probably have it on my computer still[/QUOTE]

Ok hold up, this isn't the Gymnasts section, its the weightlifting section. Obviously different repetition range is going for other things, you do low repetitions of heavy weights to build strength, explosiveness (via the CNS) and size. Higher reps will undoubtedly give you the endurance but you go try to dead lift 500 for multiple reps with proper form. Also you'll never recover from doing something as intensive and stupid like 50 reps of dead lifts as a natty lifter effectively enough to merit doing it, its why people who roid have insanely different routines they can do say 4 sets of 15 on the bench followed by the same amount on flies and still be able to recover properly.

[dilzinyomouth]

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;49855044]Ok hold up, this isn't the Gymnasts section, its the weightlifting section. Obviously different repetition range is going for other things, you do low repetitions of heavy weights to build strength, explosiveness (via the CNS) and size. Higher reps will undoubtedly give you the endurance but you go try to dead lift 500 for multiple reps with proper form. Also you'll never recover from doing something as intensive and stupid like 50 reps of dead lifts as a natty lifter effectively enough to merit doing it, its why people who roid have insanely different routines they can do say 4 sets of 15 on the bench followed by the same amount on flies and still be able to recover properly.[/QUOTE]

I know its the weightlifting section dummy, i wrote all the garbage stickies and erotic weightlifting fiction back when it was an actual section instead of just a lone thread

the idea that different rep ranges magically work within an set definition of characteristics is retarded. Powerlifters do extensive work in the very low rep range, do you really think they are bigger than bodybuilders? (gear is not an excuse here, both sports use the rons, among a litany of other drugs)

chronic stimulation and time under tension are very important principles for hypertrophy, arguably more important than mechanical tension (weight). Deadlifting 500lbs for reps is irrelevant to hypertrophy. Be specific.

"also you'll never recover from doing something as intensive and stupid like 50 reps" are you speaking from experience or are you just regurgitating popular internet expert advice? (its the latter, i assure you). The human body is so fragile that if you do more than 40 minutes of actual work your CNS will explode, your hormones will crash and you will become ESTROGEN DOMINANT, or my favorite, CORTISOL BOoGEYMAN will eat all your gains!!

they told me i could be anything i wanted, so i lifted more than 10 reps and i turned into a marathon runner. All the gym bros laughed at me, "lol bro! everyone knows anything more than 10 reps is just cardio, say goodbye to ur gains phaggot!!"

[editline]3rd March 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=Heigou;49854165]I'll take that program[/QUOTE]

hey buddy, here u go

Superhero Program - Christian Thibaudeau

WEEKS 1-4
Monday (Shoulders conjugate/Traps)
A. Seated dumbbell press
4 x 6-8 reps
B1. Upright rowing
3 x 10-12 reps
B2. Seated incline lateral raise
3 x 10-12 reps
C. Arnold press
3 x 8-10 reps
D. Lateral raise
1 x 100 reps (take pauses if needed)
E. Barbell power shrugs
5 x 5 reps

Tuesday (Quads/Hams/Biceps/Triceps)
A1. Back squat
1 x 15, 1 x 12, 1 x 8, 1 x 20
A2. Romanian deadlift
1 x 12, 1 x 10, 1 x 8, 1 x 15
B1. Barbell curl
3 x 6-8 reps
B2. Close-grip decline press
3 x 6-8 reps
C1. Preacher curl
3 x 10-12 reps
C2. Decline dumbbell triceps extension
3 x 10-12 reps
D1. Hammer curl
3 x 12-15 reps
D2. Cable triceps extension
3 x 12-15 reps

Thursday (Traps conjugate/Shoulders)
A. Barbell shrugs
4 x 6-8 reps
B1. Haney shrugs (behind the back shrugs in the Smith machine)
3 x 10-12 reps
B2. Upright rowing
3 x 10-12 reps
C. Standing calf machine shrugs
3 x 8-10 reps
D. Rear delt machine
1 x 100 reps
E. Military press
5 x 5

Saturday (Chest/Back)
A1. Incline bench press
3 x 6-8 reps
A2. Bent over barbell rowing
3 x 6-8 reps
B1. Flat dumbbell bench press
3 x 10-12 reps
B2. Lat pulldown
3 x 10-12 reps
C1. Decline bench press
3 x 12-15 reps
C2. Seated rowing
3 x 12-15 reps

*NOTE: Abdominal work is performed after every workout. Alternate between these two:
ABS WORKOUT 1
A1. Kneeling cable crunch
3 x 12-15 reps
A2. Machine crunch (use a 505 tempo)
3 x 6-8 reps
A3. Swiss ball crunch
3 x max

ABS WORKOUT 2
A1. Eagle sit-up
3 x max
A2. Roman chair Russian twist
3 x 12-15 reps
A3. High pulley woodchop
3 x 12-15 reps per side

WEEKS 5-8
Monday (Upper chest conjugate/Biceps)
A. Incline bench press
4 x 6-8 reps
B1. Low-incline dumbbell press (stop short of lockout)
3 x 10-12 reps
B2. Incline cable flies
3 x 10-12 reps
C. Low-pulley crossover
3 x 8-10 reps
D. Bench press
1 x 100 reps (take pauses if needed)
E. Barbell curl
5 x 5 reps

Tuesday (Quads/Hams)
A1. Back squat
1 x 15, 1 x 12, 1 x 8, 1 x 20
A2. Romanian deadlift
1 x 12, 1 x 10, 1 x 8, 1 x 15
B1. Leg press
3 x 10-12 reps
B2. Gironda leg curl (leg curl with an elevated torso, as in a push-up position)
3 x 10-12 reps
C. Leg curl
1 x 100 reps

Thursday (Biceps conjugate/Upper chest)
A. Barbell curl
4 x 6-8 reps
B1. Reverse preacher curl
3 x 10-12 reps
B2. Hammer curl
3 x 10-12 reps
C. Machine curl 2/1 technique (lift with 2 arms, lower in 5 seconds with 1 arm)
3 x 5-6 reps per side
D. Preacher curl
1 x 100 reps
E. High incline dumbbell press
5 x 5

Saturday (Back/Triceps)
A1. Barbell rowing
3 x 6-8 reps
A2. Fat-man pull-ups
3 x max reps
B1. Weighted chins
3 x 6-8 reps
B2. Lat pulldown
3 x 10-12 reps
C1. Decline EZ-bar triceps extension
5 x 6-8 reps
C2. Rope triceps extension
5 x 12-15 reps
*NOTE: Abs work is still performed after every workout in an alternate fashion.

WEEKS 9-12
Monday (quadriceps/hamstrings)
A. Back squat
1 x 10, 1 x 8, 1 x 6, 1 x 8, 1 x 10
B1. Leg press
3 x 10-12 reps
B2. Leg extension
3 x 10-12 reps
C. Romanian deadlift
1 x 10, 1 x 8, 1 x 6, 1 x 8, 1 x 10

Tuesday (Shoulders/Back)
A1. Upright rowing
1 x 10, 1 x 8, 1 x 6, 1 x 8, 1 x 10
A2. Seated incline dumbbell lateral raise
4 x 12-15 reps
B. Cable lateral raise (one arm at a time)
3 x 15-20 reps per arm
C1. Barbell rowing
1 x 10, 1 x 8, 1 x 6, 1 x 8, 1 x 10
C2. Lat pulldown
1 x 10, 1 x 8, 1 x 6, 1 x 8, 1 x 10
E. Haney shrugs
3 x 12-15 reps

Thursday (Biceps/Triceps)
A1. Preacher curl
4 x 8-10 reps
A2. Alternate dumbbell curl
4 x 10-12 reps per arm
A3. Reverse barbell curl
4 x 12-15 reps
B1. Close-grip bench press
4 x 8-10 reps
B2. Lying barbell triceps extension
4 x 10-12 reps
B3. Rope triceps extension
4 x 12-15 reps

Saturday (Chest/Shoulders)
A1. Decline dumbbell press
3 x 8-10 reps
A2. Dips
3 x max reps
A3. Cable crossover
3 x 12-15 reps
B1. Seated dumbbell press
4 x 8-10 reps
B2. Standing lateral raise
4 x 10-12 reps
B3. Front dumbbell raise
4 x 12-15 reps
*NOTE: Abs should be worked after every workout (same as two other phases) plus additional resistance free abs work everyday

[editline]3rd March 2016[/editline]

exercises of the same letter (e.g a1, a2) are meant to be supersetted from what i remember. As you can see, this is very high volume work with very little rest in most cases. Be prepared to have to drop the load significantly from what you're used to ego-lifting.

[lexus04]

imagine someone taking the low rep thing as gospel and [URL="http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/imagecache/Node_Page/images/1310483412100.jpg"]doing lat raises for 3x3 with like 30kg dbs
[/URL]

[dilzinyomouth]

also keep in mind, the 100 reps thing is an extreme example, im not literally advocating everyone works with anything near that many reps all the time or even some of the time, but rather that the dogma that anything higher than <insert flavor of the month rep range here> only works on endurance is bullshit. A lot of the "studies" that gurus hang their hats on get thrown out with the trash when you understand the methodology behind the studies (the "gurus" often don't, being that they only read abstracts that support information they already accept) and the concepts of rep range characteristics become extremely muddied because nobody actually does just one set in a vacuum and calls it quits - i,e you often have extreme variance in total workload, rest periods, exertion, effort etc etc etc. Too many variables to accurately suggest that this amount of reps does this, and that amount of reps does that.

Not that muscular endurance is a bad thing anyway, endurance seems to have become a dirty word in bodybuilding much like cardio. Gym bros who go do some supplemental endurance work and focus on time under tension for a few weeks might be surprised to come back to their normal work and find their raw strength has improved as well.

If you're an intermediate lifter, experiment experiment experiment

[Slendermang]

No I haven't done 50 reps of deadlifts consecutively because I know I can't do that at my max weight consistently and properly without snapping my shit up. I will also admit it was stupid of me to think that higher rep ranges won't do anything besides endurance, however I still stand by that doing high volume like that without some sort of steroids just isn't going to get you progress opposed to a more conventional routine.

[lexus04]

just noticed that I'm sporting a 37.3C fever, wonder how long it's been going on and if it has anything to do with the clen (today i'm off it though), but yesterday's workout (back day) felt okay

oh well dat thermogenesis though

hope i didn't get the flu

[cathal6606]

Did sumo deadlifts for the first time yesterday, I was alternating between singles of those and conventional at 140kg. I found it a lot harder to get the weight off the ground in sumo, so much so that doing 140 sumo felt like 160/170 conventional. Can anyone explain why?
I'm thinking its a combination of the fact that I'm inexperienced with the lift, and that my glutes/ adducters are weak compared to my quads.

[lexus04]

yeah much more glute involvement in the hole when pulling sumo, the lockout is way easier though

also [sp]time to start eating butt[/sp]

[CabooseRvB]

So stats for my 90% of 1-Rep Max so far

265LB Squat for 4 reps
175LB Bench for 3 reps
295LB DL for 6 reps

Not bad for being 170LBs

[LineArc]

Who understands gear pretty well? I've been doing a lot of research, just looking for another opponion.

Been stuck at 225 @~10% BF (6'4) for the longest time (a solid year?), cant break it, when I do I pack on a noticable amount of fat.
I've been training 6 days a week, always finding ways to work shit differently, eating truckloads of food, all to very minimal changes. I'm just really demotivated right now, all the effort and I'm just not getting that much out of it anymore. Looking to be 240lbs, a small cycle would at least help so that I'm going forwards, not stuck in neutral.
To those who dont know, I've been doing this for a little over 3 years, I've gotten to the upper limit of my natural potential I imagine.

I figure money is better spent on gear that works, rather than blowing it all on snake oil or protein powder

[Heigou]

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;49857315]I know its the weightlifting section dummy, i wrote all the garbage stickies and erotic weightlifting fiction back when it was an actual section instead of just a lone thread

the idea that different rep ranges magically work within an set definition of characteristics is retarded. Powerlifters do extensive work in the very low rep range, do you really think they are bigger than bodybuilders? (gear is not an excuse here, both sports use the rons, among a litany of other drugs)

chronic stimulation and time under tension are very important principles for hypertrophy, arguably more important than mechanical tension (weight). Deadlifting 500lbs for reps is irrelevant to hypertrophy. Be specific.

"also you'll never recover from doing something as intensive and stupid like 50 reps" are you speaking from experience or are you just regurgitating popular internet expert advice? (its the latter, i assure you). The human body is so fragile that if you do more than 40 minutes of actual work your CNS will explode, your hormones will crash and you will become ESTROGEN DOMINANT, or my favorite, CORTISOL BOoGEYMAN will eat all your gains!!

they told me i could be anything i wanted, so i lifted more than 10 reps and i turned into a marathon runner. All the gym bros laughed at me, "lol bro! everyone knows anything more than 10 reps is just cardio, say goodbye to ur gains phaggot!!"

[editline]3rd March 2016[/editline]

hey buddy, here u go

Superhero Program - Christian Thibaudeau[/QUOTE]

Thanks bud, I'll start on the program next monday and report back with my results. I'm used to 3-5 rep range back from when I trained religiously before I became sick as fuck and had to stop because I was literally dying for about a year.

Should be a cool new program to experiment with.

[lexus04]

[QUOTE=Valon Kyre;49873434]Who understands gear pretty well? I've been doing a lot of research, just looking for another opponion.

Been stuck at 225 @~10% BF (6'4) for the longest time (a solid year?), cant break it, when I do I pack on a noticable amount of fat.
I've been training 6 days a week, always finding ways to work shit differently, eating truckloads of food, all to very minimal changes. I'm just really demotivated right now, all the effort and I'm just not getting that much out of it anymore. Looking to be 240lbs, a small cycle would at least help so that I'm going forwards, not stuck in neutral.
To those who dont know, I've been doing this for a little over 3 years, I've gotten to the upper limit of my natural potential I imagine.

I figure money is better spent on gear that works, rather than blowing it all on snake oil or protein powder[/QUOTE]

check out the /r/steroids wiki

also disclaimer: am natty, have been researching gear for a long time though

there's a couple of basic cycles that go around that everyone seems to agree work pretty well to gauge your body's response to aas, one is basically the /r/steroids basic bulk (250mg test e e3d for 12 weeks + maybe 60mg ed dbol for 6 weeks), but i honestly like the idea that goes around do4a (russian board) for a shorter cycle (6 weeks) of test p 100mg eod (or 50mg ed) + tbol 30-40mg ed, it should be easier to manage because of the short esters, but you're also pinning eod or ed so the choice is yours really. tbol is also much 'drier' than dbol, it doesn't aromatize but it might be less effective

idk, depends on your needle tolerance

if you're not too keen on orals, look into deca (nandrolone)

obviously don't forget AI (especially if using dbol) and PCT

you'll need to really research this topic and then make a post on one of the geared boards to give you the green light, don't wanna go in blind on this shit

also imo at 3 years you shouldn't be that close to your limit (just hard to gain more than maybe 10-15lbs of LBM/year) but that's beside the point

[MaverickIB]

[QUOTE=Valon Kyre;49873434]Who understands gear pretty well? I've been doing a lot of research, just looking for another opponion.

Been stuck at 225 @~10% BF (6'4) for the longest time (a solid year?), cant break it, when I do I pack on a noticable amount of fat.
I've been training 6 days a week, always finding ways to work shit differently, eating truckloads of food, all to very minimal changes. I'm just really demotivated right now, all the effort and I'm just not getting that much out of it anymore. Looking to be 240lbs, a small cycle would at least help so that I'm going forwards, not stuck in neutral.
To those who dont know, I've been doing this for a little over 3 years, I've gotten to the upper limit of my natural potential I imagine.

I figure money is better spent on gear that works, rather than blowing it all on snake oil or protein powder[/QUOTE]

Most guys with a lot of experience using gear (hint hint wink wink) will advise you not to use gear unless you're willing to blast/cruise. Cycling is just outright dumb and virtually nobody gets to their goals via cycling. Gaining and then losing is retarded as all fuck, especially when cruising test costs less than PCT drugs. This is the decision you need to make for yourself, if you want it bad enough to the point of being willing to blast/cruise, then go ahead and use gear. If you don't, stay natty. You're better off that way. No fitness model, no bodybuilder, nobody with an outstanding physique actually cycles. They may say they cycle, but they probably just don't understand it's actually blasting/cruising. Guys will "cycle off" on test until their next "cycle." Dbol is actually excellent for cruising if you want to take a break from needles, 10-20mg of dbol a day can actually keep everything running well all by itself. Arnold used to cruise on dbol and deca, no test at all.

[QUOTE=lexus04;49873587]check out the /r/steroids wiki

also disclaimer: am natty, have been researching gear for a long time though

there's a couple of basic cycles that go around that everyone seems to agree work pretty well to gauge your body's response to aas, one is basically the /r/steroids basic bulk (250mg test e e3d for 12 weeks + maybe 60mg ed dbol for 6 weeks), but i honestly like the idea that goes around do4a (russian board) for a shorter cycle (6 weeks) of test p 100mg eod (or 50mg ed) + tbol 30-40mg ed, it should be easier to manage because of the short esters, but you're also pinning eod or ed so the choice is yours really. tbol is also much 'drier' than dbol, it doesn't aromatize but it might be less effective

if you're not too keen on orals, look into deca (nandrolone)

obviously don't forget AI (especially if using dbol) and PCT

you'll need to really research this topic and then make a post on one of the geared boards to give you the green light, don't wanna go in blind on this shit

idk, depends on your needle tolerance

also imo at 3 years you shouldn't be that close to your limit (just hard to gain more than maybe 10-15lbs of LBM/year) but that's beside the point[/QUOTE]

Not trying to shit on you too hard, but your research shows you spend a lot of time talking about theoretical AAS use with people who have never used them either, or have very little experience. 60mg dbol? If you're taking 60mg and not exploding then it isn't dbol, that's way too high a dosage. If you need more than 10-20mg of dbol then you need to find a new source, don't settle for that massively underdosed shit. Pharma dbol or no dbol, no exceptions. 6 weeks is way too short for any cycle/blast and you're just wasting time doing one like that. Especially with cycling, you have to keep in mind you WILL lose gains during PCT so your goal isn't simply to make gains, your goal is to make enough gains so you can retain a chunk of them after PCT and make the entire endeavor of steroids worth it. If you gain 10lbs but lose 5lbs in PCT, you just spend all that money to gain 5lbs of muscle which isn't really worth it at all. You're sticking needles and drugs in your body, fucking with your hormones, you better be getting more than a couple pounds of muscle out of it.

I would suggest long esters at first, at least for the first few weeks because you're going to get some pretty bad soreness from pinning unless you rotate a whole bunch of spots. Tbol is getting rarer and rarer these days, to the point of not being worth it. Most tbol you buy is going to be either dbol or winny. Deca isn't really a beginner steroid because new users can't tell the difference between estrogen and prolactin side effects.

If you absolutely insist on cycling, then use trenbolone. It's one of the only things that will give you enough muscle during a cycle to make it worthwhile. Contrary to popular belief, it isn't some big crazy drug with crazy side effects. People hype up the tren side effects way too much, it's often people who have never used it who go around spewing shit about it. I know someone (wink wink) who put 150mg of good tren into a quad every single day, and while he didn't get a lick of sleep and sweat his ass off 24/7, he wasn't running around tearing heads off babies and raping women. Just making sick gains and jacking off every 10 minutes. But tren works, it builds dense muscle and really changes the shape of everything. He's a much smaller man now and flabbier (been off for over 2 years) but he still has extremely round delts and ridiculous delt/trap separation for his bodyfat percentage.

Steroids WILL change muscles permanently if you use the strong ones for long enough. Some weak ass 500mg test EW + dbol cycle will have you make gains and shit, then you'll PCT and be somewhat bigger afterward, probably losing a bit more of it over the long run. That's money better off spent on food, rent, life in general. Rock shit like high tren high mast low test, low test high EQ, maybe like a high deca low test + halo preworkout blast for insane strength gains, for 2 years and then use triptolerin for PCT (best PCT ever hands down, one little shot and your system comes back online in a few days). Even if you go into a job with crazy hours afterward and lose gains, then join the military and lose even more gains, you'll still retain the shape and "thickness" the gear gave you.

Go big or stay natural. You either dive into the pool or don't get in at all, don't waste your time dipping toes.

[lexus04]

i was just quoting sample cycles, hence the disclaimer and all

was actually hoping you'd chime in

[Waterpie]

[QUOTE=cathal6606;49871558]Did sumo deadlifts for the first time yesterday, I was alternating between singles of those and conventional at 140kg. I found it a lot harder to get the weight off the ground in sumo, so much so that doing 140 sumo felt like 160/170 conventional. Can anyone explain why?
I'm thinking its a combination of the fact that I'm inexperienced with the lift, and that my glutes/ adducters are weak compared to my quads.[/QUOTE]

that shit happens with everyone in sumo it sucks ass, even dan green and guys like that struggle off the floor. Haven't actually looked up the reason why but it's normal for it to feel heavier on the ground, it's more of a constant tension pull than conventional where you can afford to grip and rip

[nixnax123]

What do you guys think of [url=http://stronglifts.com/5x5/#Summary_of_Stronglifts_52155]Stronglifts 5x5?[/url]

I've just been wanting to gain mass overall (especially in the upper body area), but still stay lean. This seems pretty good, but if you guys have other program recommendations I'd love to hear them.

[cathal6606]

Stronglifts is great, do core work at the end of every work out and pull ups/ chin ups on your deadlift day and you'll have a really solid program

[LineArc]

[thumb]http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u423/Lawblind/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsfs5jkqli.jpeg[/thumb]

222 @ 6'4, pictures are around 2.5-3 years apart, crazy how so much has changed!!! Pretty good for all natural, but where I want to be I don't think can be obtained naturally.

[editline]7th March 2016[/editline]

The paper bag is because it looked like I was gonna shit myself

[NO ONE]

[url=http://www.zoogymnh.com/promotions-1.html]One of my old gym buddies that moved on to another gym invited me to his today.[/url] I was very impressed by the equipment and facility. It's only a couple more minutes away compared to my current gym, and while I didn't get an exact member rate, he said "I think $20/mo". So if the rate is only $5 more, I might as well convert over.

They had some [url=http://www.diamondpro.net/bars-plates/bars/diamond-bar/diamond-pro-bar-black-20kg.html]Diamond Pro weightlifting bars[/url], in KG which is nice, but the weights are still in lbs, so obviously they didn't shop around too hard. The bars are on the cheap side, but in my hands felt great. Sounded like bearing bars, which I guess aren't as ideal as bushing bars? But still, much better than the current equipment at my current gym.

Everyone there at the time was fairly ripped, and even in the "Crossfit" room, there were other people attempting oly lifts. Very good sign!

Since I have a trial good til Sunday, so I'll give it a few more sessions before I make the final decision. Would be great if I finally found a better paying job so I wouldn't have to be so anal about my expenses!

[nixnax123]

I don't know if I'm doing barbell rows right. It seems impossible for me to keep my back parallel to the ground. I've never done that before and it feels awkward. I felt it a lot in my upper back and trap when I was done, is that good?

[vlad]

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this stuff isn't moving a lot anymore. I think my motivation might be gone since I'm so close to my goal, losing another 3kg sounds like nothing. I'm still not happy with my body though so I wonder if I should just say fuck it and move my goal to 75kg. maybe that'll give me some more motivation, knowing that there is still another 8kg to lose which will definitely make a difference.

[editline]8th March 2016[/editline]

okay, tips to deal with food cravings by the way? I know I can control the intake if there's no easily accessible food available but I live in a house with 4 other people. I can't control what they buy for themselves which I end up stealing for myself.

easily accessible food is stuff like pizza and microwave food. I can rarely be bothered to put any effort into making food just to satisfy my cravings. snacks too of course.

the only thing I can think of is to drink something. I usually use Pepsi Max to satisfy cravings but I can't use that when it gets late. I also try to limit my intake to 1 bottle a day since I have issues with too high magnesium levels

[editline]8th March 2016[/editline]

I just moved my goal to 75kg.