Weightlifting/Bodybuilding Thread V.7 - let's see if more people care about themselves - General

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;47060195]Hey guys roid head here, previously I was only doing dbol cycles but now I am going onto a trenbolone acetate cycle stacked with 40mg dianabol This is my progress after 2 and a half weeks of 30mg dianabol, but my main concern is if I injected it correctly and how do you know? My arm is a little sore but I forgot to pull to the plunger out to see if any blood came :S From the pic you can where the needle was injected, it was a 1,1/4 inch needle with '23' whatever that means? Anyway if you can reassure me I ain't gonna die by intravenous injection or whatever would be nice thanks :v: [t]http://i.imgur.com/U7f345j.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] What are your stats, it's hard to tell from the picture? Looking pretty natural for a steroid user tbh.

[QUOTE=Nevermind.;47061685]What are your stats, it's hard to tell from the picture? Looking pretty natural for a steroid user tbh.[/QUOTE] You are half correct, stoner gone body builder, didn't do shit for 5 years previous and I was naturally building muscle for 3 months previous to this. This is me after 2 and a half weeks on Dianabol 30mg So by stats I have no diea what you are asking, I'm like level 6 bicep curler

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;47061746]You are half correct, stoner gone body builder, didn't do shit for 5 years previous and I was naturally building muscle for 3 months previous to this. This is me after 2 and a half weeks on Dianabol 30mg So by stats I have no diea what you are asking, I'm like level 6 bicep curler[/QUOTE] What's the heaviest you lift on the big compound lifts (deadlift, bench, squat, ohp usually) and weight and height Also you should be fine if you haven't experienced anything bad by now, just be wary cause something might pop up, no personal experience as I've mentioned but it's better to err on the side of caution. However, make this a lesson for yourself, always inject with caution otherwise something might fuck up real bad later down the line

oh god josh are you really roiding after three months lifting? have you done your research? have you planned PCT? responsible steroid abuse is a must bro

[QUOTE=Waterpi;47061846]What's the heaviest you lift on the big compound lifts (deadlift, bench, squat, ohp usually) and weight and height Also you should be fine if you haven't experienced anything bad by now, just be wary cause something might pop up, no personal experience as I've mentioned but it's better to err on the side of caution. However, make this a lesson for yourself, always inject with caution otherwise something might fuck up real bad later down the line[/QUOTE] Right now I am doing about 30x 12kg dumbell curls, 40x dumbells kneeling one arm row but can only manage about 20 tricep kick backs with it. Then I'll do some pull ups 10 or so in different stances, I got a pull up bar that has extra handles for different lifts Then I might go onto doing about 60 sit ups with the dumbel on my chest My weight when I was last weighed was 69kg I am also just over 6 foot, maybe 6,2 All of that is just an average, usually I work until I physically can't anymore and then come the pains for days on end [editline]2nd February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Ruski v2.0;47061976]oh god josh are you really roiding after three months lifting? have you done your research? have you planned PCT? responsible steroid abuse is a must bro[/QUOTE] I done some research, asked around here earlier and I am starting a light dose of 50mg/0.5cc's a day of trenbolone acetate, then 30mg dianabol. Others recommended it, but side effects like Waterpi mentioned should be noted However since trebolone acetate isn't very androgenic (if at all) iirc so I shouldn't have to worry about Gyno, hence my avoidance of test 250 etc

oh my fucking god i cant believe you actually did it you actually popped on the juice while still being a newbie lifter those lifts are literally babyweight, you can make those gains without being on the juice [B][I][U]EASILY[/U][/I][/B]. please reconsider going back to natty gains, god damn [editline]2nd February 2015[/editline] I'll tell you right now, whatever strategy you're choosing for your lifting routine isn't going to end well. Lifting until you physically can't and then letting the pain "come on for days on end" is very suboptimal for making any progress, and your sets are really more for endurance than strength building.

With my limited research of steroids, even I can tell that's a fucking ridiculously stupid move. just lol @ your 12kg dumbbell curls, dude. wasting your natty potential by roiding, when you could roid after you've hit decent plateaus.

Problem is equipment (I don't have a lot of it), the heaviest I am lifting is myself which is 69kg but my mate just bought a bar with 50kg weights on it and we are going to be training with that over the next 6 weeks There are multiple reasons I am taking steroids and getter bigger is one of them obviously, I used to weigh 62kg before when I got kicked out my parents house and was struggling to make ends me so to me this is getting back on my feet, getting self-confidence up etc

i have nothing against roiding, it's really more of a lifestyle choice, but roiding wisely VS being a roid tard is extremely crucial to the results you get. most people can lift for 3-4 years consistently and make nonstop gains using good diet, habits, and well-structured programs. roiding 3 months into lifting is like deciding a coffee isn't good enough in the morning and downing 4 redbulls instead. it counteracts what you seek to achieve, and it damages your body if you fuck up. [editline]2nd February 2015[/editline] get a damn gym pass or use the money you'd spend on juice to invest in a good quality power rack and weight set.

[QUOTE=aznz888;47062180]i have nothing against roiding, it's really more of a lifestyle choice, but roiding wisely VS being a roid tard is extremely crucial to the results you get. most people can lift for 3-4 years consistently and make nonstop gains using good diet, habits, and well-structured programs. get a damn gym pass or use the money you'd spend on juice to invest in a good quality power rack and weight set.[/QUOTE] The steroids I am taking are perfectly within a reasonable limit though, from what I have researched. I'm not gubbing 10 dbols and injecting 100mg into my muscles? My diet was poor I can admit that but I had to make ends meet, I am just able to get a better diet now I have been drinking [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Optimum-Nutrition-Serious-5-4Kg-Chocolate/dp/B000GIPJ0M/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1416981139&sr=8-2&keywords=optimum+nutrition+protein]this[/url] on top of 2-3 meals a day and have gained 7kg doing so Costs £1 to go to the gym which I will do when I am a little bigger

noob gains dude, if you weighed 62kg at 185cm then of course you're going to put on 7kg regardless of juice fuckin hell im 170cm and i weigh about 71kg what are you doing brah

[QUOTE=aznz888;47062250]noob gains dude, if you weighed 62kg at 185cm then of course you're going to put on 7kg regardless of juice fuckin hell im 170cm and i weigh about 71kg what are you doing brah[/QUOTE] I wish I knew the answer, I have been wondering that for years. Fast metabolism? Maybe steroids is the answer though no?

holy fuck get off those roids, get a gym membership and a legitimate strength routine your next cycle is in a few years [I]at least[/I]

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;47062376]I wish I knew the answer, I have been wondering that for years. Fast metabolism? Maybe steroids is the answer though no?[/QUOTE] not sure if being trolled or just legitimately stupid

I'm not a troll, I simply came here asking if I injected it properly and now all this happened

[QUOTE=aznz888;47062180] roiding 3 months into lifting is like deciding a coffee isn't good enough in the morning and downing 4 redbulls instead. [/QUOTE] more like meth

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;47062220] Insert all above quotes[/QUOTE] I just re-read your post and dude, go with the advice currently in this thread. Look I don't really mind at all when anyone starts taking steroids but for me, even after a year or so of solid, proper lifting I'm not even considering the roids. The price and all the inconvenience isn't worth it imho when you can still experience some solid intense noobgains. When to start roiding is, of course, your own decision and we can only provide you with the best advice we can. Right now I would recommend hopping off your cycle and carrying on correcting your diet. Plus, the more you lift the more you understand what goes into lifting and when you do actually start taking roids you can make the most of them. Which is exactly the problem I'm seeing with your routine. Because you don't have access to a gym contract, you're not basing your routine around the fundamental compound lifts which are literally the basis of basically every newbie program. Putting that aside, the rep ranges you're doing aren't very good for building muscle either, they're way too high. Seriously, like you can experience 10x as much progress getting that gym contract asap, basing your routine around something like stronglifts or starting strength or whatever, or at the very least a large amount of the compound lifts, and then adding whatever accessories you want onto them like your aforementioned bicep curls and tricep extensions. Seriously, first things first get that gym contract, I can't emphasize that enough. Stay on the juice if you really wish to, I got no problems although I have to also advise against it, but getting a proper routine and diet set up is so vital it's not even funny.

[QUOTE=Waterpi;47062488]I just re-read your post and dude, go with the advice currently in this thread. Look I don't really mind at all when anyone starts taking steroids but for me, even after a year or so of solid, proper lifting I'm not even considering the roids. The price and all the inconvenience isn't worth it imho when you can still experience some solid intense noobgains. When to start roiding is, of course, your own decision and we can only provide you with the best advice we can. Right now I would recommend hopping off your cycle and carrying on correcting your diet. Plus, the more you lift the more you understand what goes into lifting and when you do actually start taking roids you can make the most of them. Which is exactly the problem I'm seeing with your routine. Because you don't have access to a gym contract, you're not basing your routine around the fundamental compound lifts which are literally the basis of basically every newbie program. Putting that aside, the rep ranges you're doing aren't very good for building muscle either, they're way too high. Seriously, like you can experience 10x as much progress getting that gym contract asap, basing your routine around something like stronglifts or starting strength or whatever, or at the very least a large amount of the compound lifts, and then adding whatever accessories you want onto them like your aforementioned bicep curls and tricep extensions. Seriously, first things first get that gym contract, I can't emphasize that enough. Stay on the juice if you really wish to, I got no problems although I have to also advise against it, but getting a proper routine and diet set up is so vital it's not even funny.[/QUOTE] Well thanks for not giving me cheek and calling me thick like the other guy, I'll probably look into getting a gym contract I should also mention that pull ups and chin ups count as compound exercises which I do frequently, when I say I do that dumbells etc thats not 1 time only and me done for the day, I will do this throughout the day as much as I can pulls ups included.

how old are you btw?

I don't see why that matters, check my google+ if you're desperate to know more about me

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;47062515] I should also mention that pull ups and chin ups count as compound exercises which I do frequently, when I say I do that dumbells etc thats not 1 time only and me done for the day, I will do this throughout the day as much as I can pulls ups included.[/QUOTE] frequency doesn't matter dude, your routine is only suited for endurance training, and even then it's subpar at best click on some of the links in the OP (not the first one obv.) and educate yourself first

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;47062635]I don't see why that matters, check my google+ if you're desperate to know more about me[/QUOTE] it doesn't show the reason I'm asking is that the general consensus is that roiding when you're under 25ish is riskier and lol you seriously need to research this stuff more

[QUOTE=lexus04;47062653]it doesn't show the reason I'm asking is that the general consensus is that roiding when you're under 25ish is riskier and lol you seriously need to research this stuff more[/QUOTE] I'm 20 and I know the risks which I why I am not taking extreme body building dosages? What do I need to research exactly, please. I have read the steroid information in the OP, I actually read that months ago in the durgs discussion and the whole of January me and my mate were planning on what roid to use and how to use it. I just feel like I didn't inject it properly as I have no idea how to tell Not only that but I have been on numerous websites which say 50mg per day is a perfectly fine dose and should expect nice gains stacked with dianabol Shut up with your "[i]go do your research[/i]"

what you need to research is routines, diets, and how not to be that guy who got no gains despite using steroids because his routine was shit because he was too eager to cycle to [i]go do his research[/i] [editline]3rd February 2015[/editline] and a 50kg set most likely ain't gonna cut it after a bit

[QUOTE=lexus04;47062728]what you need to research is routines, diets, and how not to be that guy who got no gains despite using steroids because his routine was shit because he was too eager to cycle to [I]go do his research[/I][/QUOTE] Breakfast: Porridge [URL="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Optimum-Nutrition-Serious-5-4Kg-Chocolate/dp/B000GIPJ0M/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1416981139&sr=8-2&keywords=optimum+nutrition+protein"]Snack[/URL] before and after lunch Dinner: Lasagne, steak, chicken anything high protein/carb Supper: Sandwich, maybe once again porridge This is my diet. I can include maybe the odd chocolate bar and extra sandwich in there as well but for now that's what I can manage. My routine might not be the best but my lack of equipment which has been resolved as of today (as I said in an early post my mate get a barbell set). Only other thing I can use is a curling bar and of course as mentioned the pull-up bar for compound exercises. I used the dumbells for all my arm muscles including forearm. Push ups, pull ups, chin ups. Come on it's not the worst And yes we have planned for when the 50kg set isn't going to do it for us anymore, as mentioned also I will get a gym membership

Just have a question about recovery. At the moment I'm doing an upper-lower-rest split. However, is it possible that the lower body workout could detract from recovery of the upper body? Like, I'm not sure if an upper-rest-lower-rest split would be better. Would a full body-rest split have enough time for recovery?

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;47062759]Breakfast: Porridge [URL="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Optimum-Nutrition-Serious-5-4Kg-Chocolate/dp/B000GIPJ0M/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1416981139&sr=8-2&keywords=optimum+nutrition+protein"]Snack[/URL] before and after lunch Dinner: Lasagne, steak, chicken anything high protein/carb Supper: Sandwich, maybe once again porridge This is my diet. I can include maybe the odd chocolate bar and extra sandwich in there as well but for now that's what I can manage. My routine might not be the best but my lack of equipment which has been resolved as of today (as I said in an early post my mate get a barbell set). Only other thing I can use is a curling bar and of course as mentioned the pull-up bar for compound exercises. I used the dumbells for all my arm muscles including forearm. Push ups, pull ups, chin ups. Come on it's not the worst And yes we have planned for when the 50kg set isn't going to do it for us anymore, as mentioned also I will get a gym membership[/QUOTE] you're not hitting your legs, you're barely hitting your core, barely hitting your back too (dunno what you do with the dbs though really so this is just an assumption) it's fine if all you want is arms really if you want more strength and a more balanced look than a typical [URL="http://7770647a14b0867efc75-b939f832d8cd9c860ce8909163419528.r92.cf2.rackcdn.com/37046.jpg"]curlbro[/URL] it'll be good for you to follow a strength routine like SS/SL/GSLP (for you I'd go with gslp, it has more focus on upper body and aesthetics, get the SS ebook regardless) for several months and switch to a proper bodybuilding routine after that (or whatever you want at that point) one of the biggest reasons people are giving you shit is because roids so early into your lifting career are simply unnecessary and more trouble than they're worth at this point. if you were to do a routine you'd make fast gains anyway there's a couple regulars on here who juice but as far as i remember even though young, they're still sick cunts who've been lifting for years as for diet, use a calculator like the one at iifym to calculate your TDEE and add 300-500 cals to that (maybe even more since you're juicing) and eat that. doesn't matter what exactly you eat really, just hit your desired macros

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;47062759]Breakfast: Porridge [URL="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Optimum-Nutrition-Serious-5-4Kg-Chocolate/dp/B000GIPJ0M/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1416981139&sr=8-2&keywords=optimum+nutrition+protein"]Snack[/URL] before and after lunch Dinner: Lasagne, steak, chicken anything high protein/carb Supper: Sandwich, maybe once again porridge This is my diet. I can include maybe the odd chocolate bar and extra sandwich in there as well but for now that's what I can manage. My routine might not be the best but my lack of equipment which has been resolved as of today (as I said in an early post my mate get a barbell set). Only other thing I can use is a curling bar and of course as mentioned the pull-up bar for compound exercises. I used the dumbells for all my arm muscles including forearm. Push ups, pull ups, chin ups. Come on it's not the worst And yes we have planned for when the 50kg set isn't going to do it for us anymore, as mentioned also I will get a gym membership[/QUOTE] Since you're gaining weight I'm gonna assume you're eating at a good enough caloric surplus so I don't see anything wrong with your diet. Your routine will need some fixing still though, I would even recommend (not good news) just dropping that 50 kg set entirely and switch it up for the gym. Rep ranges of anything like 20+ (15 is even pushing it) are reaching cardio and endurance stages as Meh said, where you're going to see diminishing returns in size. You might still gain due to roids I'm not sure on this, but it won't be as much as it could be. As I said just base it around lower rep ranges with a heavier weight, and more compound exercises such as deadlifts, squats and bench, and if you find pullups being to easy, most gyms will have a belt you can attach weights to so you can do some weighted pullups instead. Since you seem adamant on continuing roiding (again, I'm not being accusatory), and if gym access is a serious problem for you, I would suggest dropping the roids until you can gain access to a gym and then continuing your current dosage. As I've said, ultimately it's all your decision and you don't have to take any of our opinions into account, but I have to stress that your routine does need some serious fixing. It's not the worst, but it's certainly sub-optimal in terms of results all-round.

Alright thanks lexus and waterpi, bookmarking this page for safekeeping

[QUOTE=Antdawg;47062760]Just have a question about recovery. At the moment I'm doing an upper-lower-rest split. However, is it possible that the lower body workout could detract from recovery of the upper body? Like, I'm not sure if an upper-rest-lower-rest split would be better. Would a full body-rest split have enough time for recovery?[/QUOTE] Nah, the little amount of work you give your upper body while you're doing lower body hardly matters really. You might use some back muscles to stabilize yourself on a squat or whatever, but it's not gonna affect you enough for you to notice unless you hit your upper half so much you practically cant move. Deadlifts are a different story, since you're basically lifting with everything, but even doing them I found the rest in a upper body/lower body routine to be more than enough.