Weightlifting/Bodybuilding Thread V.7 - let's see if more people care about themselves - General

[QUOTE=Antdawg;47062760]Just have a question about recovery. At the moment I'm doing an upper-lower-rest split. However, is it possible that the lower body workout could detract from recovery of the upper body? Like, I'm not sure if an upper-rest-lower-rest split would be better. Would a full body-rest split have enough time for recovery?[/QUOTE] try doing the ABx and if it feels like you're not recovering well do AxBx?

[QUOTE=lexus04;47062994]try doing the ABx and if it feels like you're not recovering well do AxBx?[/QUOTE] My recovery feels okay I just felt paranoid that my lower body workout would hog nutrients that would have otherwise gone to upper body recovery. I thought I might as well ask the people who would actually know rather than listen to my own bro science. [editline]3rd February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Waterpi;47062926]Nah, the little amount of work you give your upper body while you're doing lower body hardly matters really. You might use some back muscles to stabilize yourself on a squat or whatever, but it's not gonna affect you enough for you to notice unless you hit your upper half so much you practically cant move. Deadlifts are a different story, since you're basically lifting with everything, but even doing them I found the rest in a upper body/lower body routine to be more than enough.[/QUOTE] Actually about the deadlifts, is it okay to integrate those into an upper/lower split? Because I've been doing them on lower day even though I know they're a full-body exercise. I only do one set of them though, not three sets like other exercises.

I'm actually just imagining your quads bullying your liver into giving them the glycogen and the liver being like 'noo that's for the pecs'

[QUOTE=Antdawg;47063058] Actually about the deadlifts, is it okay to integrate those into an upper/lower split? Because I've been doing them on lower day even though I know they're a full-body exercise. I only do one set of them though, not three sets like other exercises.[/QUOTE] This is just when you're gonna have to try it out for yourself and see how you feel, deadlifts are a very demanding exercise all round, but it is predominantly focused on the lower half as that's what does the actual lifting if you're doing them right. There's no reason doing deadlifts would hijack the gains from your upper half, the only minimal risk you'd have is over-training forearms or something. Hell, I did five sets of them like my other exercises and I was making fine progress, stopped doing them now though only because I needed a break from them. You'll just have to try it out for yourself, but I see no reason you can even up the sets to 3 like you say you normally do for the other exercises.

I was feeling like that a lot last week, had football 3 days and lifting 4, with no changes to my routine, by the end of the week I just stopped doing assistance stuff, I'd go into the gym do my work sets then go home. I felt so fucking tired all the time. Skipped football Sunday because I need 2 days in a row off Gonna try keep up the pace though for the next 2 weeks and hope I adapt.

Starting my new 5/3/1 dealio today coinciding with starting training an old FWB of mine. Squats are going to be a blast.

wait lemme get this straight you're roiding doing mainly bodyweight workouts hahahahahahahaha

That is like taking a loan to buy a Lamborghini, so you can go to a grocery store that is across the street.

Just let him make his mistakes so we can have screen capped examples for not roiding early right off the bat. So pointless and stereotypical. [QUOTE=Mr. Bleak;47063471]Starting my new 5/3/1 dealio today coinciding with starting training an old FWB of mine. Squats are going to be a blast.[/QUOTE] How long you been lifting again? Like what are you big 3 stats again? I could have sworn you posted you were still relatively new to lifting...my point is that 5/3/1 might not be necessary for you to continue progress. I could be very wrong though. Hard to keep track. Personally I've only done Stronglifts Madcow for that realm/level of programming. Now I basically do % workouts with light/med/heavy days. Probably by far the most effective in my opinion.

I do deadlifts on back day because fuck doing them along side squats and leg press. I don't need to [I]loathe[/I] leg day. Also damn am I out of shape for cardio. Havent done it since last summer, started my first cut workout today. Coudn't go 6MPH on treadmill for more than 2.5 minutes before my chest was feeling way heavy/hurt :v: Did 4 sets of squats, lunges, and smith machine calf raises at 6-8 reps per, then 3 sets of ab supersets (10 leg raises, 10 rope crunches, 5 twisty-pully-cable-things per side all combined no rest = 1 set) and finished off with cardio [editline]3rd February 2015[/editline] Oh man but damn does that cardio high feel good

That guy is a moron, honestly. Coming up with so many excuses for having a poor diet / not using a proper gym, and instead trying to justify juicing at a young age with literally no routine at all. But it's all good, guys, he's got a barbell with 50kg weights on it, he's sorted! Who needs a bench or squat rack or any of that stuff when you've got a trusty barbell?

[QUOTE=NO ONE;47064074]Just let him make his mistakes so we can have screen capped examples for not roiding early right off the bat. So pointless and stereotypical. How long you been lifting again? Like what are you big 3 stats again? I could have sworn you posted you were still relatively new to lifting...my point is that 5/3/1 might not be necessary for you to continue progress. I could be very wrong though. Hard to keep track. Personally I've only done Stronglifts Madcow for that realm/level of programming. Now I basically do % workouts with light/med/heavy days. Probably by far the most effective in my opinion.[/QUOTE] Well the person I'm trying to help out training wise is brand new and we're spending this week trying to figure out 1RM since I haven't done it in a while. My 80x8 OHP is telling me that I could probably stick to the brosplit I've been doing, but we've decided to try this out for a few weeks first.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;47063269]Does anyone else have those days where you [I]feel[/I] like you could do more but physically you cannot? I had one today, felt like I wasn't pushing myself. I'll just have to makeup for it Wednesday! (my secret goal is to get stronger and better looking than my work-out partners, rivalries are fun)[/QUOTE] Yeah I have some days where I try my absolute hardest to complete a lift I know I can do but I just can't. I think it's just an energy thing.

I felt so bad about myself for failing my last exam, I started exercising out of self loathe. It's three weeks now and my arms stopped resembling spaghetti (200x 5kg lifts), my sadly asymmetric six pack is showing more (60x sit ups), my shoulders are prettier. I do this for about 40mins every night. This was easy because I'm in a hyper carb and protein diet since forever. Pasta 2x a day, chicken, pork or beef 2x a day, eggs are my fav food. Still am one skinny mr skeletal motherfucker Where do I go from here, ideally 0$ budget? I want my upper body prettier. I don't care about me legs, I walk to get pretty much anywhere, they already pretty. Are there trustworthy 0 budget guides online? All I have are 2x 5kg weights and 1x floor mat. I'd love if you could PM me because my pc ist kaputt and I have an easier time checking inbox than browsing threads Thank you in advance

you won't get very far with just 2 5kg dumbbells also a 0$ budget? body weight exercises are a good idea but even then you will grow out of it pretty quickly

[QUOTE=lapsus_;47066055]I felt so bad about myself for failing my last exam, I started exercising out of self loathe. It's three weeks now and my arms stopped resembling spaghetti (200x 5kg lifts), my sadly asymmetric six pack is showing more (60x sit ups), my shoulders are prettier. I do this for about 40mins every night. This was easy because I'm in a hyper carb and protein diet since forever. Pasta 2x a day, chicken, pork or beef 2x a day, eggs are my fav food. Still am one skinny mr skeletal motherfucker Where do I go from here, ideally 0$ budget? I want my upper body prettier. I don't care about me legs, I walk to get pretty much anywhere, they already pretty. Are there trustworthy 0 budget guides online? All I have are 2x 5kg weights and 1x floor mat. I'd love if you could PM me because my pc ist kaputt and I have an easier time checking inbox than browsing threads Thank you in advance[/QUOTE] If you [I]really[/I] insist on not going on a gym, at least get yourself some form of parallettes and/or a pull-up bar at least they don't cost much, I promise, and they will help you [I]a lot[/I] in terms of bodyweight exercise [URL="https://fitloop.co/routines/bwf-recommended-beginner-routine"]here's[/URL] a routine to get you started oh and don't forget to eat a lot [editline]3rd February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=BuDSpOoNce;47066092]you won't get very far with just 2 5kg dumbbells also a 0$ budget? body weight exercises are a good idea [B]but even then you will grow out of it pretty quickly[/B][/QUOTE] huh?

[QUOTE=BuDSpOoNce;47066092]you won't get very far with just 2 5kg dumbbells also a 0$ budget? body weight exercises are a good idea but even then you will grow out of it pretty quickly[/QUOTE] Ideally 0. Ok, so should I invest in more disks soon-ish? is there somewhere online I can read what a cheap bastard that doesn't want to subscribe to gyms can do that isn't a buzzfeed like article that just want to bask me in ads? I know very little, I'm asking for directions. I hope I don't make a fool out of myself, sorry. [editline]3rd February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=NotMeh;47066125]If you [I]really[/I] insist on not going on a gym, at least get yourself some form of parallettes and/or a pull-up bar at least they don't cost much, I promise, and they will help you [I]a lot[/I] in terms of bodyweight exercise [URL="https://fitloop.co/routines/bwf-recommended-beginner-routine"]here's[/URL] a routine to get you started oh and don't forget to eat a lot [/QUOTE] Thank you for the website. The doorframe pull up bars are really cheap. I'll invest in that first then. About eating- I'm in a pig-out since forever, still underweight because I walk to get everywhere

Nigga pls I started with the same "I dont want to waste any money" thing, but i did improvise. I had a metal bar and some 5l water jugs that I taped to each side, makeshift barbell. I did SL 5x5 for 2 months or so before I moved home and went from 2 jugs to 12 before I left(no more because I had no space anymore and there was leakages from time to time). Theres even a photo of it somewhere in an old thread haha. I also used heavy books in a bag for pushups and dips, then i brought heavy stones from outside to add more weight and when that wasnt enough anymore I had my brother sit on my back If you dont want to do that though, you can do bodyweight exercises that are more effective than 1 million reps of whatever. For example I asked for a routine a couple of pages ago, and now Im doing that shit outside in a park at -15 degrees celsius. No excuses as for eating, you may think you eat a lot, but start getting an idea of how many calories you get with what you eat and you should know if youre undereating or not. Walking a lot may burn some calories but its probably not whats keeping you thin

So having successfully progressed into doing normal push-ups and shit just to get into the idea of working out, and judging by most online routines for working with your body weight i'm going to have to invest in a pull-up bar. I can probably wrangle 30 bucks somehow, all be it without an income it'll be difficult. Here's the problem though. I have made people lift me up to use pull-up bars at their houses before for shits and giggles, and they have shorter doors than I do in my current apartment. I'm not sure yet how i'm gonna work this one out. Guess i'm gonna need to move a table or something under the door :v:

[QUOTE=lapsus_;47066181]Ideally 0. Ok, so should I invest in more disks soon-ish? is there somewhere online I can read what a cheap bastard that doesn't want to subscribe to gyms can do that isn't a buzzfeed like article that just want to bask me in ads? I know very little, I'm asking for directions. I hope I don't make a fool out of myself, sorry. [editline]3rd February 2015[/editline] Thank you for the website. The doorframe pull up bars are really cheap. I'll invest in that first then. About eating- I'm in a pig-out since forever, still underweight because I walk to get everywhere[/QUOTE] Improvise with weight if you have to. Bodyweight exercises are not that great because you plateau on them very quickly. However if all you want to do is cut fat and tone up your muscles without losing them when you cut then bodyweight will suffice, especially if you've never seriously worked your muscles before. This is why stuff like P90X "works" - its basically a cardio routine that keeps your muscles engaged preventing them from degrading if you eat proper as you lose fat. I 100% guarantee though all the models they use for P90X didn't look ripped from doing it however. If you want to build muscle, you are going to eventually have to either get a real home gym setup (not just random dumbbells, though those are great to own since a lot of workouts you want to do will use dumbbells) or get a gym membership. It really does suck but unfortunately bodybuilding [I]is[/I] a hobby that you spend money on like PC gaming, robotics, warhammer, coffee, etc.. because you need some heavy ass shit that is well balanced/made to really build body with proper form and you need to eat a lot more to actually build muscle. The good news is if your goal is to just trim up you don't have to worry about that. You won't really gain any increase in muscle size doing stuff like p90 and other bodyweight exercises (at least not good amount), but you'll trim and tone up since it is basically a cardio routine that prevents your muscles from being eaten away along side your fat.

[QUOTE=KorJax;47067280]Improvise with weight if you have to. Bodyweight exercises are not that great [B]because you plateau on them very quickly[/B]. However if all you want to do is cut fat and tone up your muscles without losing them when you cut then bodyweight will suffice, especially if you've never seriously worked your muscles before. This is why stuff like P90X "works" - its basically a cardio routine that keeps your muscles engaged preventing them from degrading if you eat proper as you lose fat. I 100% guarantee though all the models they use for P90X didn't look ripped from doing it however.[/QUOTE] What do you mean by this? also, really? "tone up" your muscles??

[QUOTE=Rhenae;47066809]So having successfully progressed into doing normal push-ups and shit just to get into the idea of working out, and judging by most online routines for working with your body weight i'm going to have to invest in a pull-up bar. I can probably wrangle 30 bucks somehow, all be it without an income it'll be difficult. Here's the problem though. I have made people lift me up to use pull-up bars at their houses before for shits and giggles, and they have shorter doors than I do in my current apartment. I'm not sure yet how i'm gonna work this one out. Guess i'm gonna need to move a table or something under the door :v:[/QUOTE] Depends on how tall you are, you dont need to have the bar as high as your door. Just a height you can easily reach with a small jump would be fine. Unless youre a midget or something

[QUOTE=NotMeh;47067288]What do you mean by this? also, really? "tone up" your muscles??[/QUOTE] You're not going to see a lot of muscular gains when all you use is your body's weight because its static, and the exercises you can do with just your body weight don't stress all that much unless you're just doing cardio or something. Starting off when you can't use some kind of a dynamic variable-weight system like a bar or something (ie you're fat and/or out-of-shape as fuck) its fine, but once you can do a a decent amount of squats you're really not doing anything for your legs. Then its time to actually use a bar and do more weight in order to progress

[QUOTE=NotMeh;47067288]What do you mean by this? also, really? "tone up" your muscles??[/QUOTE] It means you stop progressing i.e. you no longer gain in size/strength vs if you immediately start with a full gym routine you should see linear progress in size/strength for quite a while

[QUOTE=PollytheParrot;47067643]You're not going to see a lot of muscular gains when all you use is your body's weight because its static, [B]and the exercises you can do with just your body weight don't stress all that much[/B] unless you're just doing cardio or something. Starting off when you can't use some kind of a dynamic variable-weight system like a bar or something (ie you're fat and/or out-of-shape as fuck) its fine, but once you can do a a decent amount of squats you're really not doing anything for your legs. Then its time to actually use a bar and do more weight in order to progress[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=KorJax;47067748]It means you stop progressing i.e. you no longer gain in size/strength vs if you immediately start with a full gym routine you should see linear progress in size/strength for quite a while[/QUOTE] Seriously? By bodyweight exercise I obviously didn't mean "hurr pushups situps pullups dips all day" Look at this [t]http://i.imgur.com/3mkfewh.jpg[/t] this is called the "planche", it's an elite static hold that takes [I]years[/I] to achieve If this becomes easy (it won't), you climb up on some rings and try to do the same in mid-air [t]http://i.imgur.com/WGiF3Xo.jpg[/t] You likely won't make it and will pretty much have to start all over again What I'm getting at is that unlike weightlifting, where you increase resistance by just adding weight, in calisthenics/gymnastics you do the same by modifying [I]leverage[/I] which means getting on an unstable platform (eg. rings), doing it on one limb or lifting some part of your body higher in the air Believe me it's gonna take [I]a long-ass time[/I] until any of this starts being too easy/you will stop making gains in strength and mass that being said, yes, weightlifting is still the fastest way to make gains in the mass/aesthetics/whatever department He could just compromise and do both at the same time, [URL="http://i.imgur.com/jQebLCh.png"]there's a routine for that as well[/URL]

[QUOTE=D3TBS;47067588]Depends on how tall you are, you dont need to have the bar as high as your door. Just a height you can easily reach with a small jump would be fine. Unless youre a midget or something[/QUOTE] I'm 4'11", if I were born a guy I would be the top height for a midget :v: I'll have to see how low the thing sets up, but I'm guessing i'm probably gonna have to work something out a bit more than jumping

Why not jump up to the bar?

[QUOTE=cathal6606;47068296]Why not jump up to the bar?[/QUOTE] Primarily cause i'm renting this place and I may not weight much but it'll be mounted on the door frame and I don't wanna mess anything up and have to pay for it, ya know?

Your call but, you're like 110ish right? your not going to be able to impart enough force to do any real damage

I snatched 135 lbs the first time today pretty easily but when I tried going up in weight the bar just kept falling forward every time at about mid- squat. I don't think I have an issue getting under the weight its just that I'm having trouble maintaing control of the bar