Weightlifting/Bodybuilding Thread V.7 - let's see if more people care about themselves - General

[QUOTE=aznz888;47506553]i wouldn't really say clean pulls can replace barbell rows in terms of muscles used, but you [I]could.[/I] they both work on your pulling strength, except the clean pull utilizes more core stability and momentum vs a barbell row that specifically targets your biceps, lats, and back. personally i've felt like i've made more progress doing clean pulls, but that's also because i've been incorporating them into my routine along with olympic training. [editline]11th April 2015[/editline] also rip in pepperonis, i might have an internship at a company that pays $27 an hour over the summer full-time and it's great experience, but i have to deal with a 2 hr commute both ways. no time for gym boys. people who are more familiar with at-home routines, what do? by the time i get back from work my gym is going to be closed, and the 24 hour fitness one is too far away.[/QUOTE] bodyweight fitness routines may be ideal if you can't buy a set of weights at home. you need a place to do pull ups (iron gym pull up bar, maybe,) a place to do dips (I use a walker or my rings) and gymnastic rings. other stuff like weighted vests or backpacks may be great. the r/bodyweightfitness routine may be good but I suspect you'll progress quickly. check out the book overcoming gravity for building an intermediate to advanced routine. I can hook you up there.

[QUOTE=Valon Kyre;47494090]Periodic meals are good, your getting a consistant amount of food for your body to repair and function off of. With large meals your body fasts a little between each one, and over time it gets used to only having 3 big meals, so when it does get that big meal a lot of it goes to being stored as fat because your body has to tide itself over to the next big meal. Something with hormones when you have a big meal versus periodic small ones where you store more fat too. Eat your biggest meals before and after training, since your body will be craving everything it can get to restore energy stores and repair. I always eat a big meal after, not too much before, if you eat too much before you may feel weaker because when you eat your body draws all your blood and energy to your digestive system to process the food, making lifting difficult. I usually give myself about an hour to 2 hours, a short nap is THE BEST, it will have you wake up feeling brand new. A good quote off an article is "I eat at least 6 times per day, and so should you. If you want a houseplant to grow, would you water and feed it periodically, or would you ignore it for long stretches and then flood the pot once in a while? The analogy isn't far-fetched. A constant flow of nutrients is better than feast or famine. Muscles are no exception." Its been a while since I've read into eating and diet.[/QUOTE] All complete bullshit.

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;47507753]All complete bullshit.[/QUOTE] Helpful. I'm neutral in this but it helps to explain exactly what you fucking find in error when you criticise like that

[QUOTE=aznz888;47506553]i wouldn't really say clean pulls can replace barbell rows in terms of muscles used, but you [I]could.[/I] they both work on your pulling strength, except the clean pull utilizes more core stability and momentum vs a barbell row that specifically targets your biceps, lats, and back. personally i've felt like i've made more progress doing clean pulls, but that's also because i've been incorporating them into my routine along with olympic training. [editline]11th April 2015[/editline] also rip in pepperonis, i might have an internship at a company that pays $27 an hour over the summer full-time and it's great experience, but i have to deal with a 2 hr commute both ways. no time for gym boys. people who are more familiar with at-home routines, what do? by the time i get back from work my gym is going to be closed, and the 24 hour fitness one is too far away.[/QUOTE] Weighted vests are worth it. Backpacks flop like fucking crazy. If your ceiling is low at all, instead of doing muscle-ups, to weighted chin-ups and weighted chair dips. A lot of the time, you have to be creative, which kind of sucks. With chest, one thing I'm doing is changing the incline of my one-handed push-ups with the goal of being able to do a one-handed handstand push-up and look awesome. Isometrics also become very useful and anything that you can think of that will force your muscles to engage is good too. I'm struggling with the same thing you are. Hey, how hard are gymnastic rings to install in a small apartment?

[QUOTE=cathal6606;47506465]can i replace my barbell rows with clean pulls? are they enough to balance out my bench/ shoulder press?[/QUOTE] Depends on what you are replacing it for? Wouldn't you like neglect your back muscle development?

I hang my rings from my pull up bar. Also, nobody has ever done a proper form one-handed HSPU. Not saying that to discourage you, who knows, you may be the first. Just letting you know that your goals may not be totally possible.

Is OHPing your own bodyweight a prerequisite for handstand push-ups?

Not necessarily. People progress into it without once picking up a barbell.

[QUOTE=NotMeh;47511019]Is OHPing your own bodyweight a prerequisite for handstand push-ups?[/QUOTE] You're probably ahead at that point, because you won't be lifting your arms during handstand pushups which cuts out like 15 lbs.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;47511074]Not necessarily. People progress into it without once picking up a barbell.[/QUOTE] but how much carry-over is there? Could a person who can rep out HSPUs also OHP their own bodyweight?

I truthfully don't know, but there are differences between the two in technique. In sure it will help a bit but like most exercises you're better off practicing the one you specifically want. For example, in an OHP your whole body is supporting the weight, in a HSPU only your upper body is. Range of motion is also different between the two.

I progressed without using weights. I did push-ups at progressing inclines until I made it to a 90 degree angle. There's also other tricks that I did like doing incline push-ups while my hands were on stacked books so that I had more range of motion. When you're getting stronger through bodyweight exercises, a lot of your thought is to try to master the next ability. I almost think of it as grinding in a video game to unlock the next ability/attack by achieving smaller feats. Having a weighted vest will accelerate things in the strength department though. That's been really useful to me personally. [editline]12th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=NotMeh;47511127]but how much carry-over is there? Could a person who can rep out HSPUs also OHP their own bodyweight?[/QUOTE] My guess is that they could overhead press a version of themself with their arms cut off.

Yep. The fundamental of bodyweight strength training is progression. Instead of adding weight to a bar you put your body at more and more mechanically disadvantaged positions (progressions,) to make your muscles work harder. [url]https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2oknZg-EI8xenpWUWFidDc1aDQ/edit[/url] Here is a good list of progressions. The only note I would make is that you probably don't need to alternate dips and pushups.

Why not read Overcoming Gravity instead?

This is a good jumping off point for beginners without acquiring the book. When is Overcoming Gravity 2nd edition coming, anyway? Didn't he say Q4 2014?

I can do handstand pushups but my OHP is extremely weak, about half my body weight. So I'm not sure how much carry-over there actually is between the two.

[QUOTE=The Rizzler;47507850]Helpful. I'm neutral in this but it helps to explain exactly what you fucking find in error when you criticise like that[/QUOTE] I posted why in my post [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1446282&p=47499583&viewfull=1#post47499583[/url]

Just did a diamond handstand push-up as an experiment and my triceps feeling like their going to explode. I'm really dizzy. I think I'm going to progress from one-handed variations of the pike push-ups in that pdf file and try to do a one-handed handstand push-up. If Bruce Lee was able to do a one-finger push-up and monks are able to do handstand push-ups on their finger, I see no reason why it wouldn't be possible. Wait, who the hell told me that? I can find people on YouTube doing that.

[QUOTE=Swamplord;47509505]Depends on what you are replacing it for? Wouldn't you like neglect your back muscle development?[/QUOTE] I'm doing pull ups and DB rows as it is. I figure I should do clean pulls instead of BB rows to get more power development/ improve my cleans. On the topic of handstand push ups, I can do a few, but I'm a good 20kg off bodyweight OHP.

[QUOTE=Kiamberm;47514232]I can do handstand pushups but my OHP is extremely weak, about half my body weight. So I'm not sure how much carry-over there actually is between the two.[/QUOTE] You're probably doing one of those incorrectly, maybe even both although they are pretty different movements after all, ROM and all

I decided it's time to start caring about myself, anyone know any pointers to reduce chest and belly flab without any equipment? I really, really don't have the budget to pay the gym, because I'm a poor cheapskate

Basically you can't reduce fat from any specific area, you just have to lose weight in general and it'll go. But some basic bodyweight training programmes and a better diet is all you need.

ok so I just discovered we have some barbells, but won't using that only strengthen my biceps? [editline]13th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rapist;47518609]Basically you can't reduce fat from any specific area, you just have to lose weight in general and it'll go. But some basic bodyweight training programmes and a better diet is all you need.[/QUOTE] I always thought that it took a hell of a lot more effort to trim fat than just diets and basic programmes. I guess I'm just an idiot about shaping your body... Well, unless you consider round a shape. If you do, I'm a pro at shaping round bodies :downs:

[QUOTE=Recurracy;47518593]I decided it's time to start caring about myself, anyone know any pointers to reduce chest and belly flab without any equipment? I really, really don't have the budget to pay the gym, because I'm a poor cheapskate[/QUOTE] You need to go on a calories out > calories in diet, aka a caloric deficit, this will make body start burning off your fat reserves in general, "targetting fat" is impossible and an urban myth, outside of a liposuction, look up iffym and what your diet is and how to change it at the same time look up exercise plans you can do with bodyweight and barbells and do them [editline]13th April 2015[/editline] its literally as simple as it sounds calories in > calories out = adding fat calories in < calories out = losing fat

[QUOTE=Recurracy;47518615]ok so I just discovered we have some barbells, but won't using that only strengthen my biceps? [editline]13th April 2015[/editline] I always thought that it took a hell of a lot more effort to trim fat than just diets and basic programmes. I guess I'm just an idiot about shaping your body... Well, unless you consider round a shape. If you do, I'm a pro at shaping round bodies :downs:[/QUOTE] If you have a barbell you have a complete strength training tool. I suspect, however, that you got a bit confused. This is a barbell. [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/US_Navy_100913-N-3215T-149_American_professional_iron_man_athlete_Karl_Gillingham_spots_Hospital_Corpsman_2nd_Class_Ardinis_Strickland.jpg[/t] This is a dumbell. [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/USMC-110816-F-2786W-001.jpg[/t] I wouldn't suggest doing a routine around dumbells. You're better off with a dedicated bodyweight or barbell routine.

Stalled at 32.5kg OHP again despite deloading to 30kg for a day Gonna have to take a good look at my form, perhaps reduce my reps if I fail again Anyone else have this issue?

try push presses if you really get stuck for too long I do them all the time now simply because they're fun

[QUOTE=NotMeh;47520685]try push presses if you really get stuck for too long I do them all the time now simply because they're fun[/QUOTE] What's the point? You'd be lying to yourself about how much you can really lift.

literally what I never said to completely replace your OHP with it, just that it helps break through plateaus and the fact that push presses are regarded as cheating is dumb because the upper body muscle activation is about the same

That's exactly why you'd by lying to yourself. Even you said it. The upper body activation is the same, therefore you aren't breaking any plateaus. So you'd be moving more weight? So what? I could be pushing more weight at bench press by doing half reps, but the only plateau that would break would be a number, not progressive overload.