• Sleep and Dreams Megathread V3
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[QUOTE=Uroborus;29416985]Thank you. As for how I lucid dream, I have always done so. Granted I do meditate regularly. It is a matter of finding your own path, as the path of one is not always fit for the path of many. Good luck.[/QUOTE] I met my 'anti-self' yesterday, probably influenced by your posts about that concept. Being a person of existential thinking (and a general asshole) he/it disappeared in a puff of logic, I also made him curse my name, It was incredibly finny to say the least. his head now rests as a trophy in my hall of dreams. Strangely that puff of logic looked like a cloud of Xor functions, Strange due to the fact that I never learnt mathematical logic, so I guess your 'anti-self' is a byproduct of your base beliefs, that you may be something that you do not think you are, as opposed to my thoughts which tell me that I am who I make myself to be. Anyways, My lucid dream: Today I decided to something extraordinary, in-sight summoning. I failed horridly, but as soon as I looked away the object just popped into dream existence complete with onomatopoeia. So I decided fuck it and went to destroy the space pirates of the Makaverian systems on my space marine barge loaded with explosives. [editline]25th April 2011[/editline] Next time, I create tesseracts.
I have a major work for an Extension English class at school. I've chosen to write a short story (8000 words) over the course of the year, and one of my main subject matters will be the dream world, with a focus on a psychoanalysis of the main character/s. I've been completely void of inspiration to make any progress on it, but after visiting this thread and seeing some of the posts here, I've been motivated to start working on it again. Uroborus, I like your writing and would also appreciate your continual contribution to this thread. I'll be frequenting this thread from now on, and will be sharing whatever experiences I have regarding my own dreams. Here are two I think I posted in the last thread: [quote]FACELESS A castle’s tower, reaching up from the ground, its head poking out above the clouds. You’re inside, lying upon a silken white mattress. Your wife lies beside you, naked, her back turned to you. Emotions well up within you, a longing to reconnect. The distance between the two of you stretches out to the infinites. You reach out, turning her to face you. Instead, you’re greeted by a blank canvas of skin, her facial features replaced by smooth flesh. You hold her head, kissing its smooth surface, before holding it close against your chest. A rumble reverberates through the tower, as it begins to disintegrate from beneath you. A castle’s tower, once higher than the clouds, crumbling to the ground beneath.[/quote] This dream came to me towards the end of my last relationship. The female figure mentioned was actually my (now ex) girlfriend. The growing distance between us is an obvious symbol of the distance that was growing between us in the real world, as by that point our relationship was going downhill. Discovering that she had no face means one of two things to me; that she was no longer in it as much as I and had already left me, and I was merely holding on to the corpse of a dead relationship, or that the identity of my partner was meaningless and irrelevant, and that I only longed for someone and not specifically her. Whichever one of these realizations were true, it caused the destruction of the castle that I was situated in. Again, an obvious symbol of the emotional defence and security that the relationship was providing me, which unfortunately was shattered. [quote]PROXIMITY A humanoid figure made of rope falls from impossible heights, landing in a body of water beside you. The thin ragdoll entity crawls out, and begins ascending a mountain path beside the river, as it had a thousand times prior. It mumbles to itself, communicating its yearning for you to follow, but to keep your distance. It denies your existence, and continues up the path. You follow from a distance, concerned for its safety along the steep incline. The distance between you allows the figure to act naturally, as if it were alone. The river below is frozen over, and the figure informs you that eventually, it would aim to land on the frozen ice instead of the surrounding river. It seeks to destroy itself, but procrastinates upon even this. You keep your distance, as if your care for the being was tied to a chain. Up ahead, it disappears out of sight as you struggle to maintain the necessary distance.[/quote] Another dream regarding my ex, but this time after we had broken up (I do hope my first post in this thread doesn't lead you to all believe I'm some melodramatic teenager that only ever thinks about this girl). This one had huge relevance to [url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1062850-Maverick-s-Love-Relationship-Social-Advice-Megathread?p=28507411&viewfull=1#post28507411]how I was feeling at the time.[/url] Again, the rope figure represents my ex, its flimsy rope structure representative of her emotional instability. She wanted me to stay in her life, but whenever we got close things would just fuck up again, explaining the strange paradox in the dream. Her self destructive habits are represented by the figure wanting to kill itself. In the dream I was forced to keep my distance and to worry from afar, very similar to how I felt towards my ex at the time. And if anyone is wondering, these dreams are old and things between her and I are nice and friendly now, it's all good. (:
..is it weird that my anti-self acts like me :v:
[QUOTE=Sublata;29430199]..is it weird that my anti-self acts like me :v:[/QUOTE] Not in the slightest, the important thing to remember is that your anti-self is still you. Do not be surprised if it becomes aware of your actions outside of dreams. Mine did.
Well, due to nasal pressure from allergies and whatnot, I was continually distracted and unable to yell at my subconscious. For some reason, when I managed to actually hear my voice in my thoughts, it sounded distant and quiet. And another thing, taking off/putting on glasses/turning up the graphics hasn't helped. I was really hoping it would. It'll probably be more successful if I yell at my sub to do it for me. Anyways, last nights dream... Back at camp. This is the top of the mountain in my dream world. It's basically a mesa/plateau. The rounded edges are quite steep but easily traversable. I was going there, along with a non existent cousin of mine who was only in preschool. He had curly hair, a cool name, and was basically the cutest little kid I have ever seen. He was almost like a son, in fact he may have been. He went off to his age groups camp, while I went elsewhere. I've lost of the memory of what happened until it was time to leave, about a week later. I drove up to his tent to bring him to the camp's office to let them know we were leaving. As I got out of the car, he ran out of the tent and wrapped himself around my leg. When this happened, I just had this surge of happiness, that I can only guess you get from being a father. My memory of the dream ends. This dream has very seriously affected me all day. It's left me shaken up, I've never felt anything like that before. I've been depressed for a few months, maybe my sub was trying to cheer me up by tapping this precious resource. It wasn't pleasure or humor or glee, but pure happiness. The kind that makes you feel proud, like you fulfilled your purpose in life. My sub usually tries to confuse me or the like, but this is far beyond my expectations.
[QUOTE=Uroborus;29431109]Not in the slightest, the important thing to remember is that your anti-self is still you. Do not be surprised if it becomes aware of your actions outside of dreams. Mine did.[/QUOTE] As in he doesn't act evil and is practically the same in every way
[QUOTE=Sublata;29433232]As in he doesn't act evil and is practically the same in every way[/QUOTE] Then it clearly is not your anti-self. Granted My anti-self ended up merging with my sense of humor, so now he's a laugh at least.
I recently discovered my old (2005ish) dream notebook, and it has some of the strangest and funniest things I have ever read. There are 14 recorded dreams, some more or less detailed than others. Here are two examples picked for the humor: 1. December 2005 It was really crazy.......flying hell-cows [here the sentence ends] 2. March 2008 Quentin Tarantino had hidden an expensive sword in the walls of a burning building. The lucky finder would get a college scholarship and a lifetime supply of peanut M&Ms. A cyborg Martha Stewart was the commentator for the event, and the entire building was filled with fireworks. In the end the building was extinguished, Bill Clinton was a valet parking manager at the hotel across the street, and the sword predictably melted. These dreams are comparatively normal to the rest of the notebook.
I think it may be beneficial if I attempt to explain what I think is the reason I always lucid dream. You can consider this a method if you wish, but quite frankly, I'm not sure whether it would work for someone else. As I have previously stated, I meditate regularly. I eat virtually nothing, but when I do it is normally fruit. When going to sleep, I keep my imagination going, and think up things until I finally sleep. I do not know if that is helpful. I would also hazard the use of mirrors both when trying to sleep and while dreaming. I have long since gained utter control over my dreams, and have only recently used a mirror in dream-state. That being said. It allowed me easy communication with my Sc. But I suggest care until you are capable. In all seriousness, I can now communicate with my Sc and Anti-self at will. Which has changed me somewhat. It may be that for some, lucid dreaming is as far as you want to go. In which case do not attempt communication with your Sc. It can change a person, make your attributes more pronounced. Also one reason I think I can make things in my dreams so easily, is the reason I practice visualization. I close my eyes and try to imagine an object completely. If you attempt it you will soon learn it is highly difficult. If you are confronted with your anti-self, understand it is made up of your negative emotions. And hating it or fearing it will only make it stronger. It may also become aware of itself, that is one of the worst things that can happen. It wont simply torment you, it will be aware of your day to day life, your conversations, and it will use that information against you. Should it become aware, seek help. You cannot defeat it alone. It is vital that you choose someone who will not ridicule you. I go on about the Anti-self as a warning, there are many great things you can do. But first be aware of the danger, and how to stop it. Another warning, your anti-self can lock you in dream state if it is strong enough. Avoid negativity to cap it's strength. Positivity will not weaken it but it will stop it from getting stronger.
I need to work on my visualization.
I don't have an anti-sub. Either that or I havent met it yet. Or it's an inanimate object in which case it's the huge haunted ship that keeps appearing in my dreams.
Had some strange barely remember-able dreams last night, and went into dusk for a while. There are some loud birds that have taken up residency near my house that like to squawk only at night. :saddowns:
Been doing nose RCs everyday and I've only had a single LD in a week. In 95% of my dreams why do I never RC? I blame dream logic but if anyone has any advice about this I would appreciate it. And now for some reason everyone is talking about their antiself and it's seriously freaking me out :frown:
[QUOTE=Uroborus;29433805]Then it clearly is not your anti-self. Granted My anti-self ended up merging with my sense of humor, so now he's a laugh at least.[/QUOTE] So wait, what would be exactly like me in every way but appearance?
I think I am responsible for the wave of anti-self communication. Perhaps a more positive outlook is what you need. Perhaps I should tell a more positive story, to antidote the negativity. This dream was recent. I sit on a couch, beside me is Richard (My anti-self, yes he is named Richard. He wouldn't let me call him anything else) We are playing 007 goldeneye. Richard is odd-job. For those of you who know the game you will understand how one sided things get when odd-job gets the golden gun. A knock at the front door, I answer and before me is a paradise, Green, streams of water flowing unhindered. Wildlife playing in the forest, all under a full moon. My Sc was sitting in the center of the paradise, and as I walked out to speak to him, Richard rose and followed a step behind me. When we reached my Sc, he smiled and said to me, " Heaven is not a place people need to die to achieve. Heaven is right here on earth, as is hell. You just need to choose which you would rather. This is the heaven within your own mind, and Richard will attest to their being a hell in your mind. This is a place of joy, of caring, of love. Your abyss is not. It is a place of despair, hate, terror." He lapsed into silence, watching his surroundings. Richard rose and said " The abyss, the hell is within you as he said. I am a being of darkness, and true evil has no real place. Hence the reason I merged with pieces of your mind, your humor, your playfulness, and others. Now I have a place, I am no longer true evil. I can exist." And we sat within the dream until it was time to wake. Richard has since become helpful, granted he still drops the occasional hint about being evil. I see this as yin-yang within all light there is darkness and vice-versa. As Richard said to me once, " Within every bad person there is a good person, bound and gagged trying to get out." This is not my whole story, it took much to defeat Richard, and if you wish to know that story ask otherwise I will not trouble you with it's dark nature. Good dreams, gentlemen. [editline]27th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sublata;29456363]So wait, what would be exactly like me in every way but appearance?[/QUOTE] Possibly your anti0sekf or the personification of a personality trait. [editline]27th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Uroborus;29456801]I think I am responsible for the wave of anti-self communication. Perhaps a more positive outlook is what you need. Perhaps I should tell a more positive story, to antidote the negativity. This dream was recent. I sit on a couch, beside me is Richard (My anti-self, yes he is named Richard. He wouldn't let me call him anything else) We are playing 007 goldeneye. Richard is odd-job. For those of you who know the game you will understand how one sided things get when odd-job gets the golden gun. A knock at the front door, I answer and before me is a paradise, Green, streams of water flowing unhindered. Wildlife playing in the forest, all under a full moon. My Sc was sitting in the center of the paradise, and as I walked out to speak to him, Richard rose and followed a step behind me. When we reached my Sc, he smiled and said to me, " Heaven is not a place people need to die to achieve. Heaven is right here on earth, as is hell. You just need to choose which you would rather. This is the heaven within your own mind, and Richard will attest to their being a hell in your mind. This is a place of joy, of caring, of love. Your abyss is not. It is a place of despair, hate, terror." He lapsed into silence, watching his surroundings. Richard rose and said " The abyss, the hell is within you as he said. I am a being of darkness, and true evil has no real place. Hence the reason I merged with pieces of your mind, your humor, your playfulness, and others. Now I have a place, I am no longer true evil. I can exist." And we sat within the dream until it was time to wake. Richard has since become helpful, granted he still drops the occasional hint about being evil. I see this as yin-yang within all light there is darkness and vice-versa. As Richard said to me once, " Within every bad person there is a good person, bound and gagged trying to get out." This is not my whole story, it took much to defeat Richard, and if you wish to know that story ask otherwise I will not trouble you with it's dark nature. Good dreams, gentlemen. [editline]27th April 2011[/editline] Possibly your anti-self or the personification of a personality trait.[/QUOTE]
If I ever run into my anti-self, I'm going to [I]out-evil[/I] it. I'm talking raping women, murdering babies and kicking puppies. And then I'm going to go up to it, and be like "dude, stop being such a goodie two-shoes."
[QUOTE=linksysruler;29457653]If I ever run into my anti-self, I'm going to [I]out-evil[/I] it. I'm talking raping women, murdering babies and kicking puppies. And then I'm going to go up to it, and be like "dude, stop being such a goodie two-shoes."[/QUOTE] That. Won't. Work.
[QUOTE=Uroborus;29457730]That. Won't. Work.[/QUOTE] challenge accepted when I do meet my anti-self I shall try
[QUOTE=Eonart;29457826]How did you even get Richard to play Goldeneye with you in the first place?[/QUOTE] He has long since become a "friend". As I mentioned I will tell the story if asked.
Those damn birds in my dreams hate me so much that they've started Scrambling my thoughts to keep me outta lds. Any idea how to fight this? I just want to talk and ask them why they suddenly hate me.
They are birds because you imagine them as birds, Think them into a human form and ask.
Or better yet pull out a shotgun.
I finally. Finally. Got. My. Ass. Back. On. Lucid dreaming. Well, actually, yesterday I did. My dream recall is recovering to what it used to be, slowly, and I already started RCing in dreams again. [quote=Uroborus]I think I am responsible for the wave of anti-self communication[/quote] Not really, you've simply brought it back from the dead. I don't think they're looking at anti-selfism negatively, but rather that they are cool like how we perceive villains as being badass and cool. So no worries about them colliding with their actual anti-self.
I've been having fun with my brain lately. In an attempt to take more control over my mind, I've started having rallies at imaginary Disneyland. I visualize the whole stage, with myself on it; I'm the CEO of my brain. I'm the president. I'm the boss. With my sub at my side, I call out to an enormous crowd: my braincells. Giving them pep talks along with my sub has actually made a slight improvement in my mental visualization. I've been thinking about how exactly you're supposed to describe visualization. Conventional description doesn't cut it. To really understand what it's like, you have to go to the root of all your beliefs about vision. When you look around, what do you see? Things, the world around you. What do you see when you look up? Not above you. What do you see when you look past that great big movie screen in your head? Where do you see when you try to visualize things? That's right; where? Around your eyeball movie screen. This is probably to help prevent you from seeing things; but it really gets in the way of visualization. Go ahead and try visualizing things in front of this screen, if I'm right, it won't be easy.
[QUOTE=linksysruler;29459716]Or better yet pull out a shotgun.[/QUOTE] You have no idea. You cannot defeat evil with more evil. [editline]27th April 2011[/editline] Allow me to say something. You cannot defeat evil with more evil. Out eviling it is a foolish prospect because by doing so it wins. Shoot it and you shoot yourself, and it gets stronger. These idea's you have serve only the dark. But luckily for you the chances of meeting your anti-self are low. As generally a level of expertise is required first.
Uroborus. I'm wondering how do you meditate?
I had a dream that I was on a coach bus driving on a road in the middle of an alpine forest. The bus had assholes from my old high school. Pulled an uzi 9mm and held the bus hostage, killed a few people and kept the entire bus in a mode of fear. Suddenly I felt a hit to the face by a blunt metal object, I opened my eyes after everything went dark. I was now on the back seat. The tables had turned, these people were very upset as to what I had done. Someone jumped out and sprayed a can of energy drink in my direction. It went straight into my mouth where I drank mouthfuls of it. I suddenly had the energy to jump out of the bus through the window. I was now walking through cold marshlands feeling nothing but regret for the vile action I had taken. I knew I couldn't return because of the prison-sentence I had bestowed upon myself. I walked along a road with a service station, it was positioned just like one I used to go to when I was in high school. However it had a swastika on the front of the building. I then heard the voice of a friend of mine say 'Those guys are a bunch of neo-nazi dickheads'. I apologize for the wall of text. Can anybody tell me the potential meaning of this dream?
If someone could help me with my RC problem I mentioned earlier that would help a bunch.
[QUOTE=jusmumbo;29461971]I had a dream that I was on a coach bus driving on a road in the middle of an alpine forest. The bus had assholes from my old high school. Pulled an uzi 9mm and held the bus hostage, killed a few people and kept the entire bus in a mode of fear. Suddenly I felt a hit to the face by a blunt metal object, I opened my eyes after everything went dark. I was now on the back seat. The tables had turned, these people were very upset as to what I had done. Someone jumped out and sprayed a can of energy drink in my direction. It went straight into my mouth where I drank mouthfuls of it. I suddenly had the energy to jump out of the bus through the window. I was now walking through cold marshlands feeling nothing but regret for the vile action I had taken. I knew I couldn't return because of the prison-sentence I had bestowed upon myself. I walked along a road with a service station, it was positioned just like one I used to go to when I was in high school. However it had a swastika on the front of the building. I then heard the voice of a friend of mine say 'Those guys are a bunch of neo-nazi dickheads'. I apologize for the wall of text. Can anybody tell me the potential meaning of this dream?[/QUOTE] I remember you. Last time, you had a bigger wall of text. Well, I'm gonna be lazy for now and tell you that the place you usually end up bad shit is happening is a snowy wasteland. Next time when you're in a snowy place, do an RC before your dream screws up again.
[QUOTE=Oblivious1;29461677]Uroborus. I'm wondering how do you meditate?[/QUOTE] Comfortably. The sitting cross-legged is very uncomfortable. I generally sit down, clear my mind and relax. It has improved my link to my Sc, previously I could ask questions as I willed, now I get answers before I ask. Often answering questions I couldn't possibly know the answer to.
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