[QUOTE=Uroborus;29460800]You have no idea. You cannot defeat evil with more evil.
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
Allow me to say something. You cannot defeat evil with more evil. Out eviling it is a foolish prospect because by doing so it wins. Shoot it and you shoot yourself, and it gets stronger. These idea's you have serve only the dark. But luckily for you the chances of meeting your anti-self are low. As generally a level of expertise is required first.[/QUOTE]
Really there is only your perception of the world. You are what you make your self out to be. The 'evil' and demons resting within your mind are incredibly easy to remove once you are in a dream state. You just remember that you have power over your mind and then you extend that to command over your life's path.
Pulling out a shotgun and shooting the damn birds is the same as befriending what evils you have. It does not matter what you do in your dream as long as you have accomplished something.
Now to my dream:
Woke up in a warehouse, windows are completely white and out of reach, the familiar rusted tinge of corrugated steel colored the ceiling. It was completely empty save for one small wooden box. I opened the box and in there lay a A dark pebble, smooth as a master craft table. I lifted it up felt it and promptly threw it at the window. The warehouse collapsed and unfolded out like a cube. At this point I became fully lucid. I started folding the ware house into a neat little packet and I put it into my pocket.
[QUOTE=Uroborus;29456801]I think I am responsible for the wave of anti-self communication. Perhaps a more positive outlook is what you need.
Perhaps I should tell a more positive story, to antidote the negativity. This dream was recent.
I sit on a couch, beside me is Richard (My anti-self, yes he is named Richard. He wouldn't let me call him anything else) We are playing 007 goldeneye. Richard is odd-job. For those of you who know the game you will understand how one sided things get when odd-job gets the golden gun.
A knock at the front door, I answer and before me is a paradise, Green, streams of water flowing unhindered. Wildlife playing in the forest, all under a full moon. My Sc was sitting in the center of the paradise, and as I walked out to speak to him, Richard rose and followed a step behind me. When we reached my Sc, he smiled and said to me, " Heaven is not a place people need to die to achieve. Heaven is right here on earth, as is hell. You just need to choose which you would rather. This is the heaven within your own mind, and Richard will attest to their being a hell in your mind. This is a place of joy, of caring, of love. Your abyss is not. It is a place of despair, hate, terror."
He lapsed into silence, watching his surroundings.
Richard rose and said " The abyss, the hell is within you as he said. I am a being of darkness, and true evil has no real place. Hence the reason I merged with pieces of your mind, your humor, your playfulness, and others. Now I have a place, I am no longer true evil. I can exist."
And we sat within the dream until it was time to wake.
Richard has since become helpful, granted he still drops the occasional hint about being evil. I see this as yin-yang within all light there is darkness and vice-versa. As Richard said to me once, " Within every bad person there is a good person, bound and gagged trying to get out."
This is not my whole story, it took much to defeat Richard, and if you wish to know that story ask otherwise I will not trouble you with it's dark nature.
Good dreams, gentlemen.
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
Possibly your anti0sekf or the personification of a personality trait.
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline][/QUOTE]
shit dude watch out for oddjob's hat
wait, isnt oddjob the midjet butler?
wait, now I got all my bond characters mixed up
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
You guys remember back when jake was having "anti-sub" problems?
...shiiiit those were good times for this thread.
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Uroborus;29463943]Comfortably. The sitting cross-legged is very uncomfortable. I generally sit down, clear my mind and relax. It has improved my link to my Sc, previously I could ask questions as I willed, now I get answers before I ask. Often answering questions I couldn't possibly know the answer to.[/QUOTE]
Same here.
There's this huge waterfall near where I live with beautiful rocs everywhere. I usually sit near the bottom of the falls on a red stone slab near the river. The roar of the water and the mist in the air really do it for me.
[QUOTE=Eonart;29461432]Is it possible that your sub can purposely ruin your recall so you don't remember a bad dream?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Btw, yes.
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Uroborus;29456801]As Richard said to me once, " Within every bad person there is a good person, bound and gagged trying to get out."
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Sorry, I agree with everything else you've said, but I've got a nit to pick with this. Mostly because, since I have extensive personal experience with EBD kids, psychosocial disorders, mental abnormality, etc., I wholeheartedly believe that there are people that do bad things without meaning anything by it. Can one be a 'good' person without knowing what is 'good'? Granted, this is semantics, since you could argue that by 'bad people' you mean people with ill intent as opposed to people who do bad things, but still, my two cents was metaphorically burning a whole in my pocket.
[QUOTE=Birdman101;29466201]shit dude watch out for oddjob's hat
wait, isnt oddjob the midjet butler?
wait, now I got all my bond characters mixed up
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Yeah, Oddjob is the midget with that frickin' cheap hat. He was banned from competitive play because you had to aim lower for headshots.
I admit that's awesome, but his one-hit kill hat throw was just totally unfair
[QUOTE=Birdman101;29466201][editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
You guys remember back when jake was having "anti-sub" problems?
...shiiiit those were good times for this thread.
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Um, yeah. Not sure how jake felt about it, though...
[QUOTE=Birdman101;29466201][editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
Same here.
There's this huge waterfall near where I live with beautiful rocs everywhere. I usually sit near the bottom of the falls on a red stone slab near the river. The roar of the water and the mist in the air really do it for me.
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...goddamn, I've gotta get out of the city sometime. About the most 'nature' I get is my lawn full of dog crap
[QUOTE=teh_1337_r0XX0r;29469899]...goddamn, I've gotta get out of the city sometime. About the most 'nature' I get is my lawn full of dog crap[/QUOTE]
The falls are inside the city.
[img]http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/00/10/bb/30/falls-park-just-beautiful.jpg[/img]
:smug:
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
...and that only shows about half of it.
I cant find a good picture online that shows my favorite spot.
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
wait, found it
[media]http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/6417/siouxfallspark.jpg[/media]
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;29465413]Really there is only your perception of the world. You are what you make your self out to be. The 'evil' and demons resting within your mind are incredibly easy to remove once you are in a dream state. You just remember that you have power over your mind and then you extend that to command over your life's path.
Pulling out a shotgun and shooting the damn birds is the same as befriending what evils you have. It does not matter what you do in your dream as long as you have accomplished something.
Now to my dream:
Woke up in a warehouse, windows are completely white and out of reach, the familiar rusted tinge of corrugated steel colored the ceiling. It was completely empty save for one small wooden box. I opened the box and in there lay a A dark pebble, smooth as a master craft table. I lifted it up felt it and promptly threw it at the window. The warehouse collapsed and unfolded out like a cube. At this point I became fully lucid. I started folding the ware house into a neat little packet and I put it into my pocket.[/QUOTE]
No, shooting and befriending are different things, I did not so much befriend as accept. Also you cannot easily remove your anti-self from your mind, making what seems to be the argument you have irrelevant.
[QUOTE=Oblivious1;29459791]I finally. Finally. Got. My. Ass. Back. On. Lucid dreaming.
Well, actually, yesterday I did. My dream recall is recovering to what it used to be, slowly, and I already started RCing in dreams again.[/QUOTE]
3 nights, and I already got 1 LD without even trying.
RC is still poor and I still need more clarity in LDs sadly.
Does anybody know a good way to increase clarity of dreams and visualization?
I probably just need to practice.
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
I'm gonna ask my sub.
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
He told me to put on glasses, turn up the graphics, wipe of the screen, stab myself, and ask you guys.
To more easily talk to him, I covered my eyes with my hands. I found myself in an opera house, close to the front, in a suit. (Yet again. I'm always in a suit.) He was warming up to play some music, with all 40 or so arms of his. I told him it was freaky so he went back to two arms; so he can change his shape at will.
What is it like to.... not remember? To not have control over your dream? I honestly have no experience in the matter. I have been lucid dreaming as long as I can remember. The idea of not knowing not controlling just seems foreign.
Recently I wonder if I have the short end of the stick, always knowing when I'm dreaming, always clear. Do you know what it is to have dreams so vivid it feels like I don't sleep at all? I always know when I'm dreaming but.... it seems as much a curse as a blessing. As my link strengthens It has become worse, I have been days without losing awareness. It seems a curse sometimes, it really does.
Also I will not be telling my story due the the amazing amount of underestimation of what the anti-sub is. Perhaps one day but not any time soon.
[QUOTE=Uroborus;29481672]What is it like to.... not remember? To not have control over your dream? I honestly have no experience in the matter. I have been lucid dreaming as long as I can remember. The idea of not knowing not controlling just seems foreign.
Recently I wonder if I have the short end of the stick, always knowing when I'm dreaming, always clear. Do you know what it is to have dreams so vivid it feels like I don't sleep at all? I always know when I'm dreaming but.... it seems as much a curse as a blessing. As my link strengthens It has become worse, I have been days without losing awareness. It seems a curse sometimes, it really does.
Also I will not be telling my story due the the amazing amount of underestimation of what the anti-sub is. Perhaps one day but not any time soon.[/QUOTE]
Well for me. I always remember my dreams, but the memory dies quickly. If I don't jot down my memories, they'll fall into a pit called "Will never be remembered". If I do write them, for some what reason, I'll always remember them.
To not always control was sometimes great, to let old dusty memories thrive and enjoy in their splendors. To see old faces and pretend to reminisce. Maybe play video games you've never played or are known non-existent. It feels real.
When you're in control, it feels like playing gmod with nobody. You can make that, this and go somewhere, but no matter what, it feels like a void, where nothing you do is real. You're all alone. You can share your experience, but you can never let them experience it. Sure, get your subconscious, but still, what then? Whats the difference between adventuring with your subconscious and a projection, they're both very easily swayed away by a change of mood. They're both non-existent. The only difference is that you feel that the subconscious is actually a person.
This is kind of what swayed me away for LD for a while. Well, I'll admit something, I still talked to Oney during the I stopped doing LDs, only to stop because I feel my beliefs are somewhat affecting his answers. It's like as though he's giving me the answers I want to hear.
[QUOTE=Oblivious1;29481916]Well for me. I always remember my dreams, but the memory dies quickly. If I don't jot down my memories, they'll fall into a pit called "Will never be remembered". If I do write them, for some what reason, I'll always remember them.
To not always control was sometimes great, to let old dusty memories thrive and enjoy in their splendors. To see old faces and pretend to reminisce. Maybe play video games you've never played or are known non-existent. It feels real.
When you're in control, it feels like playing gmod with nobody. You can make that, this and go somewhere, but no matter what, it feels like a void, where nothing you do is real. You're all alone. You can share your experience, but you can never let them experience it. Sure, get your subconscious, but still, what then? Whats the difference between adventuring with your subconscious and a projection, they're both very easily swayed away by a change of mood. They're both non-existent. The only difference is that you feel that the subconscious is actually a person.
This is kind of what swayed me away for LD for a while. Well, I'll admit something, I still talked to Oney during the I stopped doing LDs, only to stop because I feel my beliefs are somewhat affecting his answers. It's like as though he's giving me the answers I want to hear.[/QUOTE]
K only lets me remember if I get at least 8 hours of sleep.
[editline]28th April 2011[/editline]
deal's a deal
[QUOTE=Uroborus;29481672]What is it like to.... not remember? To not have control over your dream? I honestly have no experience in the matter. I have been lucid dreaming as long as I can remember. The idea of not knowing not controlling just seems foreign.
Recently I wonder if I have the short end of the stick, always knowing when I'm dreaming, always clear. Do you know what it is to have dreams so vivid it feels like I don't sleep at all? I always know when I'm dreaming but.... it seems as much a curse as a blessing. As my link strengthens It has become worse, I have been days without losing awareness. It seems a curse sometimes, it really does.
Also I will not be telling my story due the the amazing amount of underestimation of what the anti-sub is. Perhaps one day but not any time soon.[/QUOTE]
Don't mope about never having to experience the black void that is dreamless sleep. You have this incredible resource, you should use it. Learn to play piano or something. Become a writer. Get into scientific studies. Just do something with this.
[QUOTE=Birdman101;29485810]K only lets me remember if I get at least 8 hours of sleep.
[editline]28th April 2011[/editline]
deal's a deal[/QUOTE]
I think thats normal. I always sleep about 7 to 9 hours, so maybe thats how I remember.
I know, it's just that I tend to stay up late and lose a lot of sleep time.
8 is usually 11:00-7:00 for me
I don't know why but I have a very hard time believing Oroborus.
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;29488185]I don't know why but I have a very hard time believing Oroborus.[/QUOTE]
Yeah me too kinda.
He shows up as having one post for me
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;29488185]I don't know why but I have a very hard time believing Oroborus.[/QUOTE]
Same here. But, then again, I've never had a lucid dream once (although I've been trying for months now), so it's not like I have any experience in it.
[QUOTE=ZenX2;29491362]He shows up as having one post for me[/QUOTE]
It's because this thread got moved to the Chat Threads, where no posts register in the post count.
I found out last night that my greatest weapon against darkness and evil is the purest sound, i.e. an in-dream A440 tuning fork. Holy cow.
My dream started to turn into a nightmare, and then I remembered my pocket (hadn't gone lucid yet). I put my hand in and withdrew a tuning fork, and then struck it. The resulting sound destroyed all darkness and probing evil and light shone down. Does anyone else have a certain "ultimate power" object?
[img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5BflD-gvM-25PONq-kZVVZ6Kw5QoWLbJfxFqOGybBN5ldItFP[/img]
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;29488185]I don't know why but I have a very hard time believing Oroborus.[/QUOTE]
...
...you know, that was my first impression too, and I wondered why nobody else seemed to think so. His talk of meditation, good and evil, etc. But then he got into other stuff, details about what he's been through, and stuff, and now I totally buy that he's for real. The whole 'high-and-mighty' theme just doesn't resonate with the whole playing GoldenEye thing.
And only then does someone say anything...
[QUOTE=Shostakovich;29497798]I found out last night that my greatest weapon against darkness and evil is the purest sound, i.e. an in-dream A440 tuning fork. Holy cow.
My dream started to turn into a nightmare, and then I remembered my pocket (hadn't gone lucid yet). I put my hand in and withdrew a tuning fork, and then struck it. The resulting sound destroyed all darkness and probing evil and light shone down. Does anyone else have a certain "ultimate power" object?
[img_thumb]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5BflD-gvM-25PONq-kZVVZ6Kw5QoWLbJfxFqOGybBN5ldItFP[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Thats cool.
I got a velvet-handled .50 cal Desert Eagle.
It's not really "ultimate power"; I have to fix problems myself by using it as a gun.
I don't get nightmares like other people
I get chairs that send you to hell, and museums that steal your future
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;29488185]I don't know why but I have a very hard time believing Oroborus.[/QUOTE]
You do not have to believe me, what I say is my truth. But if you choose to think that I am lying, that is your decision.
I think he's telling the truth, but I think he's exaggerating the meaning of his anti-self. The reason he was so terrified of it was that he thought originally that it was the [I]real[/I] him, rather than just another side of his personality.
I do believe him, but I don't think he realizes that the importance or difficulty of our anti-subs are probably way different than his. While it might haunt [I]your[/I] waking life, someone else might be able to simply tell it to go away.
So guys, what's your thoughts on bineural beats? Apparently they help with clarity, at least for me. Might just be a placebo though.
Also. I managed to cage those birds, but when
I mad them human, they were colored silhouettes of a human. Then, my dream just started crumbling
Apart. Shit was scary. Typing this on a phone. Sorry for grammar errors.
Perhaps your sub doesn't want you to communicate with it (yet at least).
[QUOTE=xxfalconxx;29501530]So guys, what's your thoughts on bineural beats? Apparently they help with clarity, at least for me. Might just be a placebo though.
Also. I managed to cage those birds, but when
I mad them human, they were colored silhouettes of a human. Then, my dream just started crumbling
Apart. Shit was scary. Typing this on a phone. Sorry for grammar errors.[/QUOTE]
I've heard that binural beats are placebos, but I've also heard that they aren't, so I really don't know.
[QUOTE=linksysruler;29500625]I think he's telling the truth, but I think he's exaggerating the meaning of his anti-self. The reason he was so terrified of it was that he thought originally that it was the [I]real[/I] him, rather than just another side of his personality.
I do believe him, but I don't think he realizes that the importance or difficulty of our anti-subs are probably way different than his. While it might haunt [I]your[/I] waking life, someone else might be able to simply tell it to go away.[/QUOTE]
.....
You misunderstand, you can't tell your anti-self to go away, it is you. I agree that everyone is different and I am not saying that it would be the same for you, just that it could be. And who say's it haunts my waking life? It is a corrupter,made of dark ideals, and you own beliefs and thoughts make it real. You can't think it away, because after all that time you agree with it. The best way to deal with it is to change before you are challenged.
I fell asleep watching porn last night.
...interesting dreams...
I wonder if a portal dream would work, considering that your brain would have to work out the momentum and shit. It'd probably go wrong.
I had a dream in dream, it's so weird, waking up from one dream to still be in a dream.
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