Got REALLY close to a WILD last night.
Not much SP, barely felt anything, but I 'opened' my eyes in my mind/dream and was holding my phone, checking the alarm/watching a video, I could even almost move.
Woke up from excitement, sadly.
I had a dream last night that my brother was vacuum cleaning the living room, which never happens.
Is this it guys? Am I dying?
I had another dream about the haunted cruise liner.
I was a charming stowaway on it before it sunk the first time. It was fun because it happened during the timeline of my first dream about it, in which I was the captain, so I was watching my previous actions play out while trying not to affect them.
I find that I question whats going on in my dreams a lot and that thought might also cause a scene to replay following my thoughts about it. Last night I stabbed a demon from Doom in the neck with a sword. I went to slice him so I grabbed the sword by the hilt with my left hand and my right hand grabbed the blade. I thought to myself that it wouldn't be a good idea to do that in real life. I don't know why didn't even think of being in a dream, I might have been playing a game inside of a dream.
Had a pretty neat ld last night. My sub yelled at me because of a lack of focus, then tried training me. We got into a big debate during it. "The mind is for learning! You need to learn how to focus!" "the mind should be for having FUN, c, not just learning!" "LIES AND SLANDER! YOU. MUST. LEARN!" "... How dare you tell me how to use MY mind! You are no subconscious of mine! You've changed!" at this point he began to Change drastically into a slenderman like form. "YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR HEAD CONTAINS BOY. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY NIGHTMARES I HOLD AT BAY!" "and you will keep doing so. This is my dream, and I choose how to run it!" he bent forward, his solid white face nearing mine. "let me give you a taste, boy." his face grew grotesque eyes and a giant set of razor sharp fangs, seemingly corroded with blood. We fought, me and my sub, for quite a bit. Eventually we agreed to call it a draw, and I woke up.
God dayum that sounds cool.
[QUOTE=xxfalconxx;33876724]Had a pretty neat ld last night. My sub yelled at me because of a lack of focus, then tried training me. We got into a big debate during it. "The mind is for learning! You need to learn how to focus!" "the mind should be for having FUN, c, not just learning!" "LIES AND SLANDER! YOU. MUST. LEARN!" "... How dare you tell me how to use MY mind! You are no subconscious of mine! You've changed!" at this point he began to Change drastically into a slenderman like form. "YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR HEAD CONTAINS BOY. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY NIGHTMARES I HOLD AT BAY!" "and you will keep doing so. This is my dream, and I choose how to run it!" he bent forward, his solid white face nearing mine. "let me give you a taste, boy." his face grew grotesque eyes and a giant set of razor sharp fangs, seemingly corroded with blood. We fought, me and my sub, for quite a bit. Eventually we agreed to call it a draw, and I woke up.[/QUOTE]
Ahh well. The effects of belief on dreams.
I don't have a sub mainly because I don't believe I have one. I believe that the subconcious is just muscle/repitition memory that arises when something changes and we as humans attribute it to something beyond our control.
I can summon a sub like being though (as in a dream character that knows this is a dream, a fourth wall breaker if you may.) Like a wise-cracking hawk with a fedora or a leprechaun stoner.
But if anything gets too rowdy, like say a jumble of dark spiked tentacled beings I remind them who the god of this realm with a snap of my fingers.
"You thought the old testament was bad? You never met me."
Managed to finally look in a mirror. It became darker and darker until it was this black, shiny prism. I lost lucidity and ended up playing out the ending to 2001 in third person.
I hope to have a conversation with Halman in the near future.
[QUOTE=Rapist;33873741]Got REALLY close to a WILD last night.
Not much SP, barely felt anything, but I 'opened' my eyes in my mind/dream and was holding my phone, checking the alarm/watching a video, I could even almost move.
Woke up from excitement, sadly.[/QUOTE]
I want to delve deeper on describing how I felt.
It felt like I could still move myself in reality, I felt my body, almost no paralysis, and yet, I could move my body/arms in my dream, blink inside my own eyes.
Quite fantastic now that I think about it.
I have a feeling that I have to thank a certain person and his tutorial at Dreamviews.
It told to try to focus on falling asleep, as you normally would, but staying aware.
I'm really close now.
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;33878883]Ahh well. The effects of belief on dreams.
I don't have a sub mainly because I don't believe I have one. I believe that the subconcious is just muscle/repitition memory that arises when something changes and we as humans attribute it to something beyond our control.
I can summon a sub like being though (as in a dream character that knows this is a dream, a fourth wall breaker if you may.) Like a wise-cracking hawk with a fedora or a leprechaun stoner.
But if anything gets too rowdy, like say a jumble of dark spiked tentacled beings I remind them who the god of this realm with a snap of my fingers.
"You thought the old testament was bad? You never met me."[/QUOTE]
yeah I dont believe in science either
humans can fly, it's just that doctors have tricked us into believing we cant
Fucking mirrors. >:( Goddammit. Wrecked a great dream.
It wasn't even a mirror, it was a reflective surface on a lake. Damn you, shiny things.
[QUOTE=xxfalconxx;33876724]Had a pretty neat ld last night. My sub yelled at me because of a lack of focus, then tried training me. We got into a big debate during it. "The mind is for learning! You need to learn how to focus!" "the mind should be for having FUN, c, not just learning!" "LIES AND SLANDER! YOU. MUST. LEARN!" "... How dare you tell me how to use MY mind! You are no subconscious of mine! You've changed!" at this point he began to Change drastically into a slenderman like form. "YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR HEAD CONTAINS BOY. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY NIGHTMARES I HOLD AT BAY!" "and you will keep doing so. This is my dream, and I choose how to run it!" he bent forward, his solid white face nearing mine. "let me give you a taste, boy." his face grew grotesque eyes and a giant set of razor sharp fangs, seemingly corroded with blood. We fought, me and my sub, for quite a bit. Eventually we agreed to call it a draw, and I woke up.[/QUOTE]
I had something like that once. K was a giant ugly tree-bear-thing and I became a junk transformer and pushed him off the edge of the dream.
Had what could be considered a nightmare for the first time in a while. Not lucid though.
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;33881203]yeah I dont believe in science either
humans can fly, it's just that doctors have tricked us into believing we cant[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Psychology is very flexible in its definition of the Subconcious.
We can't pretend to have even begun to understand exactly how our mind works, so all we have now is speculation. Speculation built on close examination of subjects, but that's still speculation.
but just saying "I don't believe in the most accepted theory out there" is stupid
anyway I just had a dream where I was walking next to the girl I'm interested in, and then I was like "hey wtf am I doing, I should just do it instead of thinking about it" so I put my arm around her and she liked it. but then it started to actually get difficult to even move my legs to walk (because I was in sleep paralysis, but I didn't know this), and I eventually just sort of stuck my arms out like a helicopter. I took off and started flying really high and I was like "oh I['m dreaming" but I woke up within a few seconds. I stayed perfectly still and [i]almost[/i] got back into a dream straight from this one, but I just [i]barely[/i] heard the sound of my dog walking around upstairs and it made me wake up (and I wasn't imagining the dog)
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;33890376]but just saying "I don't believe in the most accepted theory out there" is stupid[/QUOTE]
So why is it stupid to challenge an idea in a newly formed science of a topic we know little about? We have little experimental and scientific evidence of there being a psychological subconscious. Of course there are things going on in the brain that we are unconscious to but there is no evidence to prove that those going-ons have a definite psychological effect on us. Even within the psychological community this is hotly debated. I'm also not too quick to believe in a theory that has strong roots in abstract philosophy.
So you can strike me off as agnostic when it comes to the subconscious.
I'm not sure if it has anything to do with what I've read in this thread, but by trying I've remembered 5 dreams from the past two nights. Awesome.
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;33890776]So why is it stupid to challenge an idea in a newly formed science of a topic we know little about? We have little experimental and scientific evidence of there being a psychological subconscious. Of course there are things going on in the brain that we are unconscious to but there is no evidence to prove that those going-ons have a definite psychological effect on us. Even within the psychological community this is hotly debated. I'm also not too quick to believe in a theory that has strong roots in abstract philosophy.
So you can strike me off as agnostic when it comes to the subconscious.[/QUOTE]
because youre an 18 year old kid who spends a lot of his time playing video games
it's one thing if you run experiments and do rigorous research and end up with a new hypothesis, but from a position like yours (or mine, or almost anyone on facepunch's), there's no valid reason why you should decide to assume that people are wrong about this.
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;33891063]because youre an 18 year old kid who spends a lot of his time playing video games
it's one thing if you run experiments and do rigorous research and end up with a new hypothesis, but from a position like yours (or mine, or almost anyone on facepunch's), there's no valid reason why you should decide to assume that people are wrong about this.[/QUOTE]
You are right. I don't have a psychology degree. Yet that still does not mean I can't formulate my own opinion about how the mind works from such an abstract angle as the subconscious. It's not only my opinion, some psychologists theorize that the traditional interpretation of conscious mind/subconscious mind as described by Freud and others is wrong.
But I explicitly said I'm agnostic about this, I won't believe it exists until there is hard evidence.
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;33890776]So why is it stupid to challenge an idea in a newly formed science of a topic we know little about? We have little experimental and scientific evidence of there being a psychological subconscious. Of course there are things going on in the brain that we are unconscious to but there is no evidence to prove that those going-ons have a definite psychological effect on us. Even within the psychological community this is hotly debated. I'm also not too quick to believe in a theory that has strong roots in abstract philosophy.
So you can strike me off as agnostic when it comes to the subconscious.[/QUOTE]
Actually, we do have a fair amount of scientific evidence (and a smaller amount of experimental evidence) that there is a subconscious. And you're slightly confusing your definitions. Subconscious thought and unconscious thought are two ENTIRELY different things. Subconscious thought refers to the thoughts and emotional undercurrents that affect us on a psychological level on a regular basis that we are unaware of. Unconscious thought isn't a thing. If you mean thoughts we have that we aren't aware that we have, that's not necessarily subconscious thought, that's more of the equivalent of a second line of consciousness that we move back and forth between focusing on and ignoring.
We can easily prove that subconscious thoughts have a definite psychological effect on us, because those subconscious thoughts manifest themselves as the more subtle (and more damaging) emotions, such as guilt or envy. That's why people can feel guilty without realizing it, or envious without knowing it. That's the force behind acts of passion, generally speaking.
And don't say "I'm also not too quick to believe in a theory that has strong roots in abstract philosophy." I know you want to sound like you're smart and understand the full scope of what you're saying, but you don't. Abstract philosophy isn't a thing, first of all. If you're trying to refer to the phenomenon of speculating on the unknown, that's the basis of philosophy. That's what fucking Aristotle and Plato and shit did back in the day. Speculating about stuff we're not entirely sure about is not only the basis and origin of philosophy, psychology, and physics, it's the basis of pretty much everything ever.
And another thing that annoys me about you, which really goes hand in hand with the whole "I'm 18 but fuck you I understand the universe" attitude, is that you're arguing for ignorance, in essence. You can't argue that a subconscious doesn't exist, because that's the basis for emotion. Unless you're a psychopath and you literally just can't feel emotion, you can't make that specific argument, that's just...well, ignorance. And even if you were right about a subconscious and an unconscious both being existing plausible theories for what we colloquially refer to as the subconscious, you can't be "agnostic" when it comes to the subconscious because you're already subscribing to the belief that SOMETHING has to exist there that has an impact on us, psychologically or otherwise.
A human being without an underlying sense of emotion or cause or morals or justice would just be a computer, running a single line of code at a time. You're making the argument of javascript, I'm making the argument of Watson. There's a good analogy right there.
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[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;33891808]You are right. I don't have a psychology degree. Yet that still does not mean I can't formulate my own opinion about how the mind works from such an abstract angle as the subconscious. It's not only my opinion, some psychologists theorize that the traditional interpretation of conscious mind/subconscious mind as described by Freud and others is wrong.
But I explicitly said I'm agnostic about this, I won't believe it exists until there is hard evidence.[/QUOTE]
Freud's interpretation isn't necessarily correct, I'll give you that. I'm not a fan of it myself, either. I'm more inclined to believe that while Jung's isn't completely correct either, it's much closer to the truth of the matter than Freud's is.
We can't solidify a solid, complete definition of a subconscious. We can't define the scope and boundaries of it, either. We DO know that it exists, however. The subconscious itself may be abstract, but the IDEA of a subconscious is anything but.
That's not what agnostic means. And for someone who claims to be as scientifically minded as you do, it's odd that instead of imagining possibilities and alternate theories, you just choose to be ignorant until someone tells you they've proved something. That's the opposite of scientific progress.
[QUOTE=Liamhailhail2.0;33894834][video=youtube;7GGzc3x9WJU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GGzc3x9WJU[/video][/QUOTE]
This video helped me understand quite a bit about dreaming. Thanks for posting it. Now I know why I couldn't move sometimes after waking up. Also I laughed when he said he "[U]You can see this happen while people sleep, like I usually do.[/U]"
today I did a reality check and it failed, but luckily I did another one and found out I was dreaming
I still only managed to stay lucid for a few seconds before waking up, even with rubbing my hands and spinning around
I've never been lucid for more than like 20 seconds
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;33905058]today I did a reality check and it failed, but luckily I did another one and found out I was dreaming
I still only managed to stay lucid for a few seconds before waking up, even with rubbing my hands and spinning around
I've never been lucid for more than like 20 seconds[/QUOTE]
You're on the right track. The hardest part is not waking yourself up out of an LD. My suggestion to you is actually to NOT spin around. The point of spinning is to try and submerse yourself further into a dream as the dream is ending. It's more of a prolonging technique than a solidifying technique.
If that keeps happening, my suggestion is that once you realize you're dreaming, don't do anything special. Just go where the dream takes you. Try to stretch the boundaries a bit, like jumping really high or lowering the gravity or something.
The thing people don't really realize is that even when you recognize you're dreaming, your brain still has a plan for the dream. Breaking out of that and doing whatever you want is one of the hardest parts (after wild/mild, of course). So if you can't break out of it without waking up, just go with it. Even if you can't control everything, just admire how sharp and crisp everything is. Eventually you'll feel comfortable enough to branch off and do something random and it WILL work. Just keep trying.
You're totally on the right track, it'll happen soon.
I think having ADHD affects my dreaming. I'll start dreaming about one thing and every little distraction will take a dream in a completely new direction. This happens like 30 times a dream.
i think it also has to do with the fact that I'm obviously more conscious as I reach the end of a dream cycle, so I have more of a chance to become lucid at the end of a dream
I have a couple questions.
1) Is it normal that I dream the same dream situation 4 times but the difference is that how it starts acts out and ends is always different BUT it's always about the same thing?
2) I sometimes also dream a lot about all my teeth falling out or parts of them? Any idea if that has some kind of underlying meaning to it? (I've never really understood the whole "Dream interpretation" thing)
3) Sometimes when I dream and I'm for example running. I feel like I'm not running right. Like my legs are burning or constricted in to some degree. I can run, but not as fast nor easily and I notice that I can't run etc as I can in real life, but I can never change it.
Like when I had a dream that I stole a copy of Skyrim out the trunk of a car and was chased by the 10 year old who was quarter my height, but somehow when I ran it felt like my legs were on fire/in huge amounts of pain. I couldn't outrun him. Maybe I'm just being a bit odd. That or played too many games.
And before you all say it, no I'm not some huge fat guy who can't run. I'm actually somewhat 'Athletic' - Read as somewhat active and not entirely out of shape. :P
Had a pretty cool dream last night.
I was part of an "extermination team" that worked for the "the Consortium of Man". Humankind found a species known as the Insectocytes, and ever since, the Insectocytes have been trying to kill all of us. So the consortium came up with the extermination teams to deal with the threats. We had the most advanced armor and weapons available. The planet we were deployed on was heavily infested, and we killed every single last one of the Insectocytes on the planet.
I woke up from my dream and wrote it down in my dream journal, and then woke up [i]again[/i] and realized I dreamed the whole thing...
[QUOTE=Orkel;33859466]
Instead I picked up one which led to the fall of Berlin in WW2, and jumped in. I met Hitler, and gave him orders to build a giant tank similar to the Maus, and when it was finished, I jumped in and went to the Reichstag and bombarded the Russians who were putting a flag on top of the building (the iconic photo you all know)[/QUOTE]
You Nazi.
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