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"I don't know much about string theory so I'm going to act like scientists take it on faith."[/QUOTE]
Hell yeah, like it's supposed to be.
I understand the MATH is correct, however.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;16542368]Hell yeah, like it's supposed to be.
I understand the MATH is correct, however.[/QUOTE]
Refer to dis:
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16542291]You don't quite understand modern science. Yes, it's not a good thing to have non-testable hypotheses, but our ability to formulate new theories and models far outstrips the rate at which the technology to test these hypotheses is created. Science is less rigorous than you seem to think it is. Most theories in physics aren't proven. Observations of nature may support these theories, but that doesn't mean they're correct. Another explanation that would show similar physical effects could be true.
But don't worry. These are scientists. They wouldn't say shit if they weren't fairly sure it accounts for all the data we have so far and follow rationally from the laws of physics we have verified.[/QUOTE]
Physicists who get horny for experimental data are probably thinking, "Fuck shit I wanna test string theory SO BAD get fucking bigger particle accelerators," not, "Ha! Disprove that, bitches." But the fact that we don't have the ability to test experimentally yet doesn't mean we should just stop attempting to create new theories.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16542404]Refer to dis:
Physicists who get horny for experimental data are probably thinking, "Fuck shit I wanna test string theory SO BAD get fucking bigger particle accelerators," not, "Ha! Disprove that, bitches."[/QUOTE]
I know, I know I'll be getting big chubbies for new technology when I'm a Biomedical Engineer, but of course I'll already have the technology, it won't necessarily be unproven.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16542366]Depends on when the change happens that saves the person.[/QUOTE]
It's kind of weird that the universe splits because of something as menial as a death.
[QUOTE=Thlis;16542504]It's kind of weird that the universe splits because of something as menial as a death.[/QUOTE]
No, the universe supposedly splits for ANY possible quantum event.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16543524]No, the universe supposedly splits for ANY possible quantum event.[/QUOTE]
That's a fuckton of Universes, dude.
So, if I pull the trigger the universe splits into an outcome where I am alive and one where I am not, let's call them A + B. Then the alive me in A pulls the trigger again so we now have A(alive) + B(dead) + C(alive) + D(dead). Does conciousness transfer from A to C if the me in A dies of some other cause?
This is harder to write about than it seems haha.
Sorry if this has been answered already I haven't the time to read the whole thread.
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[QUOTE=TurtlePower;16544567]So, if I pull the trigger the universe splits into an outcome where I am alive and one where I am not, let's call them A + B. Then the alive me in A pulls the trigger again so we now have A(alive) + B(dead) + C(alive) + D(dead). Does conciousness transfer from A to C if the me in A dies of some other cause?
This is harder to write about than it seems haha.
Sorry if this has been answered already I haven't the time to read the whole thread.[/QUOTE]
If you pull the trigger it makes 2 universes A and B. A your alive, B your dead. In universe B you cannot possibly pull the trigger as you are dead so that universe stops splitting while A continues which creates C and D. C and D are a continuation of universe A but C you are alive D you are dead. So you would live in universe C because C is the continuation of universe A.
Sorry if this was hard to understand I suck at explaining stuff. So many letters haha.
[QUOTE=thisispain;16516614]This is the most beautiful thing I have ever read.
Mr. Tegmark is a fucking badass.[/QUOTE]
This. This this this.
SO I am immortal huh? Brb going to play russian roulette.
Basically the universe would split by every action someone does, wich is less than 0.000000000001 second?
or, basically you're the only one that can't die and when you should die you continu too live in your own world?..
Although I am fond of this theory, I still find part of it hard to understand: what can be defined as an event?
You could argue that decision making is an event with many outcomes, but decision making is based upon brain chemistry and neurons and whatnot, so you could argue that the movement of a single electron somewhere in your personal timeline could change your entire life.
So many universes...
[QUOTE=halflife_123;16549587]Although I am fond of this theory, I still find part of it hard to understand: what can be defined as an event?[/QUOTE]
Anything, everything. Any instance of anything interacting with anything or lack thereof.
Well my theory is that anything can happen before you know. As in your mother can die but if you don't know she is still alive and theoretically she is still alive until someone notifies you.
I love conversations like this
I'm gonna go as far as to say; those who understand this properly, agree, those that dont disagree. And that maybe facepunch was the wrong place to bring up such a complex subject. My only motive for doing so was to educate and proactivly influence 'the masses'. This is a byproduct of QM, which HAS been proven to a miniscule ammount of doubt
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;16517571]Here is the simplistic explanation: Every time something happens that can cause your death, YOU take the path of not dying, this can apply anywhere from choking to death to dying of old age.
To be honest, it's probably more of a hell then a heaven, since this applies to only your conscious.
In other words, you can end up being a frail skeletal-like body in constant pain, but you will not die.[/QUOTE]
So your saying that, in some alternate dimension, a diffrent version of me DOES die?
This sounds like utter sci-fi bullshit. I don't remember hearing that alternate realities were confirmed as existing.
[QUOTE=Wangman;16553408]This sounds like utter sci-fi bullshit. I don't remember hearing that alternate realities were confirmed as existing.[/QUOTE]
It's a theory, so no it's not confirmed.
quantum theory is as pointless as algebra
[QUOTE=Kade;16552614]I'm gonna go as far as to say; those who understand this properly, agree, those that dont disagree. And that maybe facepunch was the wrong place to bring up such a complex subject. My only motive for doing so was to educate and proactivly influence 'the masses'. This is a byproduct of QM, which HAS been proven to a miniscule ammount of doubt[/QUOTE]
So what you're saying is everyone who doesn't agree is wrong? The entire theory is built on that the difference between a dead human and a live human has any relevance to the universe. What is so special about a consciousness mind that would allow it to persist through alternate realities? There's little difference between being shot in the head and dying or being shot and almost dying. And why would realities even split at all? Even if the state of a quantum particle is completely random, the device will still end up reading a one result. The only way another universe could have different results is if it had different initial conditions of it's creation, and even then it any changes would have to later the results of the gun firing without changing the world enough to stop it from being fired all together.
I must be unlucky. I tried this with a clip of BBs in my airsoft gun and I shot my foot. I shot a whole lot and then no more BBs came out, so I thought, 'I guess I must be immortal now'. So I got out the trusty Sig, pointed it at my forehead, and shot it. And I died. But this is my alternate reality self who lived that's posting this.
[QUOTE=SeRo-;16541936]Who should provide the evidence? The one that says there is a magical alternate universe where people can survive being shot in the head with a minigun/shotgun combo, or the one that says there isn't.
"Might" isn't good enough to say "there is"
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The burden of proof is on those that believe in the theory, as they are the ones pushing it.
So since the universe is being split in two every time a quantum decision is made, does that mean that our consciousness is constant, but only relative to the person.
So that would mean, I'm me right now, and you're still you. But as the seconds fly by, and decisions are made, our current conciseness as of right now will be split-off and you and I will be in separate universes with alternate versions of our self co-existing?
If the universe is so random, how come we don't see any random things happening to our benefit? (Such as immortality) Since there is an infinite amount of universes, and randomness is based on a 50-50 toss up. Why do the rules of physics never change? Who told mass to be constant and what exactly is keeping the law of gravity in place?
Is it even possible for the truth of the universe to be solidified and processed?
[QUOTE=Relys;16556479]So since the universe is being split in two every time a quantum decision is made, does that mean that our consciousness is constant, but only relative to the person.
So that would mean, I'm me right now, and you're still you. But as the seconds fly by, and decisions are made, our current conciseness as of right now will be split-off and you and I will be in separate universes with alternate versions of our self co-existing?
If the universe is so random, how come we don't see any random things happening to our benefit? (Such as immortality) Since there is an infinite amount of universes, and randomness is based on a 50-50 toss up. Why do the rules of physics never change? Who told mass to be constant and what exactly is keeping the law of gravity in place?
Is it even possible for the truth of the universe to be solidified and processed?[/QUOTE]
I don't see how the question of why the laws of physics are constant arises from the notion that the universe splits off every time a random quantum event occurs.
But the man would die of old age long before eternity.
[QUOTE=Doozle;16516445]This image and small amount of writing makes it easier to understand:
[img]http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/quantum-immortality-1.gif[/img]
kinda.
it still doesn't make any real sense.[/QUOTE]
so either way he kills himself
But instead of a trigger that jamms / shoots he could get raped by aliens or eaten by a sandwich
I understand most of this, but it blows my mind when i think of an observer, he see both the guy die and live, and thinking of that f-f-f-fucks my mind up.
[QUOTE=GunsNRoses;16558281]I understand most of this, but it blows my mind when i think of an observer, he see both the guy die and live, and thinking of that f-f-f-fucks my mind up.[/QUOTE]
You would never see it from my understanding it is the observation that triggers the course, or did i miss the point "in search of Schrodinger's Cat"
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