[QUOTE=Doriol;16581253]Which makes absolutely [sp]no[/sp] a lot of sense.[/QUOTE]
Why does that make no sense? It's allowed under the laws of physics. Anything not impossible must happen over enough time.
[QUOTE=Doriol;16581253]Which makes absolutely [sp]no[/sp] a lot of sense.[/QUOTE]
Makes sense to me. Very improbable in this reality but infinately possible in some branch of reality.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16581195]Ah, but in one of these universes, an ample quantity of fresh water will [b]magically[/b] tunnel its way into your stomach.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry Johnny, you mispelled a word.
[QUOTE=Sams Brume;16581613]I'm sorry Johnny, you mispelled a word.[/QUOTE]
WHAT?
That is impossible!
So what is "reality" then? Are we all living the same reality, or are our minds simply perceiving quantum events as they happen in any number of realities?
[QUOTE=professional;16581698]So what is "reality" then? Are we all living the same reality, or are our minds simply perceiving quantum events as they happen in any number of realities?[/QUOTE]
A question we cannot answer.
[QUOTE=Dclone2;16562017]That's a little silly of an argument.
Stuff gets pulled towards the earth, that's evidence of gravity.
There are pictures and documentation of Hitler.[/QUOTE]
You're sarcasm detector must be completely broken.
[QUOTE=professional;16581698]So what is "reality" then? Are we all living the same reality, or are our minds simply perceiving quantum events as they happen in any number of realities?[/QUOTE]
Quantum Mechanics does away with the concept of an Objective Reality. At the quantum level 'we' are all diverging into numerous realities in every instant. Of course we only perceive one, due to our quantum particles becoming coherent as they interact and form 'this' reality. Reality is what you personally can observe. Just because I am sharing this reality with you in this instant, in the next instant we could be in two totally different realities, where the wave function would have collapsed with a different outcome - though that said a 'version' of me and my consciousness would still be there in that reality with you most likely performing/doing the exact same things that I am, with perhaps only one particle in a slightly different place/orientation in the entire universe (which would ultimately have repercussions for other particles around it eventually affecting the rest of the reality).
Due to this, I think reality would be redefined by QM as the state of the universe in an instant in time in between reality splits, which would be a very small length of time, maybe equivalent to plank time [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_time[/url]
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[QUOTE=Sams Brume;16581613]I'm sorry Johnny, you mispelled a word.[/QUOTE]
Why do u think quantum tunnelling is magic? Do you enjoy the Harry Potter series a bit [i]too[/i] much? :clint:
[QUOTE=Kade;16582069]Quantum Mechanics does away with the concept of an Objective Reality.[/QUOTE]
In other words, every reality is real and there [b]IS[/b] a Hogwarts where little English children go to learn magic and have fun! :allears:
[QUOTE=Kade;16569994]Yeah that’s true. But it is still theoretically possible that it could be this reality - just very improbable.
The thing about consciousness is that we cannot comprehend having alternate versions of ourselves being created in every instant, and every one of these selves believing (quite accurately) that they are the [i]'real'[/i] person. Its confusing because we only observe our conscious development as a linear path from past to future, whereas according to this theory, the amount of realities (and thus versions of you consciousness) pan out over time, essentially creating new time paths.
It's much easier to envisage this whole thing if you think of humans as inanimate objects rather than humans. This way it removes the complications that arise from our own personal perception.
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That was my main point, actually. Most people interpret Quantum Immortality as not being able to die at all because there is a universe somewhere in which you are alive. People tend to take concepts like "observation" and the anthropic principle as meaning that human conscious has some special power over quantum particles. I even seen someone claim that the universe wouldn't exist if there weren't organisms to "observe" it.
[QUOTE=The Saiko;16582011]You're sarcasm detector must be completely broken.[/QUOTE]
No I realize he was being sarcastic, it just wasn't very effective in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Sams Brume;16582282]In other words, every reality is real and there [b]IS[/b] a Hogwarts where little English children go to learn magic and have fun! :allears:[/QUOTE]
'Magic' would break the laws of physics - an astonishing amount of QM tunnelling and other related Quantum Phenomenon which manages to trick humans into believing in magic - though very improbable, would be possible.
[QUOTE=lmaoboat;16582624]That was my main point, actually. Most people interpret Quantum Immortality as not being able to die at all because there is a universe somewhere in which you are alive. People tend to take concepts like "observation" and the anthropic principle as meaning that human conscious has some special power over quantum particles. I even seen someone claim that the universe wouldn't exist if there weren't organisms to "observe" it.[/QUOTE]
Ah, yeh I totally agree with u. It’s often taken and manipulated and used as the basis of a kind of pseudo-science - similar to existentialism (which I totally disagree with). Whereas in truth, consciousness has nothing to do with Quantum Phenomenon - it’s just when we try to explain why we observe things in our linear conscious way, when QM explains it totally different, that we hit a bit of a murky patch.
[QUOTE=Kade;16582069]Quantum Mechanics does away with the concept of an Objective Reality.[/QUOTE]
Not really. It just does away with the concept of ONE objective reality.
And that still depends on the interpretation.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16582971]Not really. It just does away with the concept of ONE objective reality.
And that still depends on the interpretation.[/QUOTE]
True, I should have said 'there being only [b]our[/b] objective reality'.
[quote]'Magic' would break the laws of physics - an astonishing amount of QM tunnelling and other related Quantum Phenomenon which manages to trick humans into believing in magic - though very improbable, would be possible.[/quote]
:downsrim:
[QUOTE=Kade;16582903]'Magic' would break the laws of physics - an astonishing amount of QM tunnelling and other related Quantum Phenomenon which manages to trick humans into believing in magic - though very improbable, would be possible.[/QUOTE]
So I really [b]could[/b] meet Harry one day! :allears:
So we're immortal if we use a quantam particle?
[QUOTE=JPoid;16583311]So we're immortal if we use a quantam particle?[/QUOTE]
Methinks you don't got this concept down.
[QUOTE=JPoid;16583311]So we're immortal if we use a quantam particle?[/QUOTE]
What do you mean 'if'? What do you think you are made of right now?
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16582971]Not really. It just does away with the concept of ONE objective reality.
And that still depends on interpolation.[/QUOTE]
How I read it.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16582971]Imagine, if you will, a world in which everyone is regularly psychoanalyzed and subsequently interrogated en masse, their individual perceptions on matters large and small recorded in a massive database.
Suddenly, it's time for the solipsists, religious fanatics, and other assorted loons to get theirs, as Rod Serling, imperceptible to the people of this world, begins to direct an equally imperceptible band in the playing of the Benny Hill theme.[/QUOTE]
The mental image it delivered.
And some day I could meet a talking sponge that lives under the ocean! :allears:
I think the main barrier that prevents most people from understanding this is the concept of infinity.
There is an infinite number of alternate universes, infinitely being created every single possible moment. Every second, an infinite number of universes is created right on the spot, for every single possible thing that could happen at the moment (which is infinite).
People don't quite grasp how large infinity is, so they say "WELL IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO SURVIVE THIS AND THAT BLAH BLAH BLAH", but if you wrap your head around just how many universes and possible outcomes there are, you realize that there has to be at least one universe where you survive standing next to a nuclear bomb.
There's probably a universe out there where dinosaurs never became extinct and we're riding them around with lasers attached to their heads.
I get how large infinity is, I just don't see any hard evidence for this.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;16583739]I think the main barrier that prevents most people from understanding this is the concept of infinity.
There is an infinite number of alternate universes, infinitely being created every single possible moment. Every second, an infinite number of universes is created right on the spot, for every single possible thing that could happen at the moment (which is infinite).
People don't quite grasp how large infinity is, so they say "WELL IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO SURVIVE THIS AND THAT BLAH BLAH BLAH", but if you wrap your head around just how many universes and possible outcomes there are, you realize that there has to be at least one universe where you survive standing next to a nuclear bomb.
[B]There's probably a universe out there where dinosaurs never became extinct and we're riding them around with lasers attached to their heads.[/B][/QUOTE]
Just like Tobias Bruckner.
I CAN'T FIND A FUCKING PICTURE OF HIM, He's a Southern Cavalryman from the 1890's with cybernetic attachments riding a Tyrannosaurus with missile launchers and laser guns attached.
[QUOTE=Doozle;16516380]Can someone explain the scenario in laymans terms?
I don't have assburgers[/QUOTE]
So basically, every time he pulls the trigger, the "universe" splits into two "universes." One that he dies and one that he lives. Every time he pulls it this happens.
The man, however, only can perceive one universe. So when he pulls the trigger, He is completely unaware that the universe has split.
Does that help?
Also there is another theory that every choice splits the universe into multiple universes.
[b]Example 1[/b]: If I were to type the letter "p" the universe is split into into 26 universes each where I pushed a different key. One might be "l" or "s"
[b]Example 2[/b]: I want to listen to some music. So I go over to my Ipod and hit shuffle. I have 978 songs. So the universe is split into 978 different universes. Each Playing a different song. When I hit forward, a song is picked at random from the 977 songs left, so each of the 978 universes is split into 977 other universes. Now there is 955506 different universes. If I hit forward again, a song is picked from the 976 left and the 955506 universes are split into 976 more. Now there is 932573856 different universes.
This can go on as long as choices are made.
Incidentally the choice to not make a choice also splits the universe.
If I had turned on the radio instead of going to my Ipod The universe would split again in addition to the other times.
[b]Example 3[/b]: Every moment in time splits the universe. Because when you live (and thus move forward in time) you are making choices. Some times the choices are as simple as " Do I breathe in at this moment or in a few?" or as complicated as picking something out of hundreds.
Its science! :eng101:
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[QUOTE=ZomBuster;16570366]I wonder if we ever get to travel between different dimensions, I mean time travel might be possible and this would be like the next step.
I seriously doubt it, but it would be awesome.[/QUOTE]
Time travel does not exist and never shall. Because "time travel" is really traveling to another universe that follows the same course of history, in its universe, that exists in the universe your consciousness exists in.
In laymans terms: When you want to "time travel" you actually are traveling to a different universe. Just a universe that exists parallel to ours but at the same time is at a different point in what is perceived has "time."
[b]Example[/b]:I want to go see dinosaurs. I hop in my "Time machine" and travel to the "year" 10,000 B.C. What I am actually doing is traveling to a parallel universe that is currently in the "year" 10,000 B.C.
Universe A is in the "year" 2009
Universe B is in the "year" 2002
If I were to travel between the two universes I would never stop existing in time but I would perceve that I have traveled "time."
so my existence would look like this:
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I would however perceive it as this:
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X-------------------
Wouldn't this mean that each time an atom moves 0,000000000000...1 mm we would get a new universe?
The man pulling the trigger isn't the only variable that splits off though. Isn't there an infinite number of possibilities for every particle that does anything?
[QUOTE=skylortrexle;16585022]So basically, every time he pulls the trigger, the "universe" splits into two "universes." One that he dies and one that he lives. Every time he pulls it this happens.
The man, however, only can perceive one universe. So when he pulls the trigger, He is completely unaware that the universe has split.
Does that help?
Also there is another theory that every choice splits the universe into multiple universes.
[b]Example 1[/b]: If I were to type the letter "p" the universe is split into into 26 universes each where I pushed a different key. One might be "l" or "s"
[b]Example 2[/b]: I want to listen to some music. So I go over to my Ipod and hit shuffle. I have 978 songs. So the universe is split into 978 different universes. Each Playing a different song. When I hit forward, a song is picked at random from the 977 songs left, so each of the 978 universes is split into 977 other universes. Now there is 955506 different universes. If I hit forward again, a song is picked from the 976 left and the 955506 universes are split into 976 more. Now there is 932573856 different universes.
This can go on as long as choices are made.
Incidentally the choice to not make a choice also splits the universe.
If I had turned on the radio instead of going to my Ipod The universe would split again in addition to the other times.
[b]Example 3[/b]: Every moment in time splits the universe. Because when you live (and thus move forward in time) you are making choices. Some times the choices are as simple as " Do I breathe in at this moment or in a few?" or as complicated as picking something out of hundreds.
Its science! :eng101:[/QUOTE]
Actually it’s deeper than that. It’s not about cognitive human choices, but rather the probability of the quantum state. This would go on to dictate which letter/song etc you choose, but the actual splitting is done at the quantum level, not the conscious. Remember were all made of quantum particles, and have no more free will then inanimate objects.
[QUOTE=skylortrexle;16585022]
[b]Example 2[/b]: I want to listen to some music. So I go over to my Ipod and hit shuffle. I have 978 songs. So the universe is split into 978 different universes. Each Playing a different song. When I hit forward, a song is picked at random from the 977 songs left, so each of the 978 universes is split into 977 other universes. Now there is 955506 different universes. If I hit forward again, a song is picked from the 976 left and the 955506 universes are split into 976 more. Now there is 932573856 different universes.
This can go on as long as choices are made.
Incidentally the choice to not make a choice also splits the universe.
If I had turned on the radio instead of going to my Ipod The universe would split again in addition to the other times.
perceive it as this:
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Once again, there's more variables than how many songs you have, that's just one miniscule part of the whole thing. In one universe maybe you go through two of those songs and then your dick explodes. In another maybe you go through half of them and stop and do something else. Or in another one you listen to all of them in alphabetical order.
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