[QUOTE=gnome;16585191]The man pulling the trigger isn't the only variable that splits off though. Isn't there an infinite number of possibilities for every particle that does anything?[/QUOTE]
Yes, you are correct. But a lot of people here seem to be getting confused into thinking it’s a conscious choice, which it isn't.
[quote]Example 1: If I were to type the letter "p" the universe is split into into 26 universes each where I pushed a different key. One might be "l" or "s"[/quote]
Wouldn't the universe have to split in many other ways as well? What if you tried to hit P but you missed or the key didn't work or something else happened? Or what if you tried to hit P and your penis exploded?
[QUOTE=sp00ks;16585187]Wouldn't this mean that each time an atom moves 0,000000000000...1 mm we would get a new universe?[/QUOTE]
YES! :smile: Actually I’m pretty sure it can be reduced right down to plank length, and then recurring at every instant of plank time. a very large number when multiplied by all the particles in the universe.
Edit: Whoa, what is it with you guys and the coincidental exploding penises?
[QUOTE=Doriol;16585224]Wouldn't the universe have to split in many other ways as well? What if you tried to hit P but you missed or the key didn't work or something else happened? Or what if you tried to hit P and your penis exploded?[/QUOTE]
Or you turned into a wizard and went off and had fun adventures? :allears:
[QUOTE=Kade;16585217]Yes, you are correct. But a lot of people here seem to be getting confused into thinking it’s a conscious choice, which it isn't.[/QUOTE]
The problem with people is that they generalize things. Like in movies when they focus on time travel and someone will avert their own death by knowing the future, and then a series of events happens that again leads to their death in a different way. But the death of a person is a human concept and isn't a universally realized situation, and if the universe automatically balanced itself when things are changed, it wouldn't just try and find a way to kill the person that averted their own death, because on a miniature level they also changed the location of trillions upon trillions of atoms, and really in a sense changed everything that could ever happen.
I know we're not talking about time travel, but I felt that was related to how people are trying to base the splitting of universes on human concepts like a gun firing or choosing songs in an ipod.
[QUOTE=Kade;16585217]Yes, you are correct. But a lot of people here seem to be getting confused into thinking it’s a conscious choice, which it isn't.[/QUOTE]
I was trying to use one example as when you start to introduce multiple factors (such as your dick exploding, the world ending, etc.) People tend to get really confused really fast. I find that the easiest way to explain is to narrow down the factors and just use one person and one factor then most people understand it.
[QUOTE=gnome;16585259]The problem with people is that they generalize things. Like in movies when they focus on time travel and someone will avert their own death by knowing the future, and then a series of events happens that again leads to their death in a different way. But the death of a person is a human concept and isn't a universally realized situation, and if the universe automatically balanced itself when things are changed, it wouldn't just try and find a way to kill the person that averted their own death, because on a miniature level they also changed the location of trillions upon trillions of atoms, and really in a sense changed everything that could ever happen.
I know we're not talking about time travel, but I felt that was related to how people are trying to base the splitting of universes on human concepts like a gun firing or choosing songs in an ipod.[/QUOTE]
I know Ipods and Guns are Human concepts, But I'm not really talking about quantum particles. I was talking about how every little thing changes what we perceive as the "future" and makes alternate universes.
[QUOTE=Doriol;16585224]Wouldn't the universe have to split in many other ways as well? What if you tried to hit P but you missed or the key didn't work or something else happened? Or what if you tried to hit P and your penis exploded?[/QUOTE]
As I said before I was trying to make it simple.
[QUOTE=skylortrexle;16585282]
I know Ipods and Guns are Human concepts, But I'm not really talking about quantum particles. I was talking about how every little thing changes what we perceive as the "future" and makes alternate universes.[/QUOTE]
Right, I gotcha.
So just right now an infinite number of Universes just occurred where my face literally melted?
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;16586855]So just right now an infinite number of Universes just occurred where my face literally melted?[/QUOTE]
yes
Yep, in that case, I've made my mind up. Sounds like overbloated bullshit. QM in modern technology DOES NOT give evidence to this theory.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;16585187]Wouldn't this mean that each time an atom moves 0,000000000000...1 mm we would get a new universe?[/QUOTE]
Many-World-Interpretation is an interpretation replaced by decoherence.
I'm just wondering what would trigger the universe to split. If i accidentally trip and hurt myself, does that create a new universe? Or maybe a new universe is created every infinitely short interval?
Jesus sure knows how to quick save!
[QUOTE=nVidia;16600286]I'm just wondering what would trigger the universe to split. If i accidentally trip and hurt myself, does that create a new universe? Or maybe a new universe is created every infinitely short interval?
Jesus sure knows how to quick save![/QUOTE]
Apparently every event no matter how small or insignificant triggers a split. *cough*bullshit*cough*
[QUOTE=professional;16600630]Apparently every event no matter how small or insignificant triggers a split.
[b]*cough*Insanely True and Skylortrexle is a sexy beast.*cough*[/b][/QUOTE]
Actually that's exactly how it works!
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Alternate universes huh?
So, you have a choice to go back in time, you go. Another universe is created where you didn't go back in time. But if you go back in time, you would be reversing the creation of an alternate universe, right? So what the fuck would happen? Because if it did reverse the creation of another universe, then there wouldn't be two universes, like what is supposed to happen.
What do?
There's an infinite amount of universes. It would be kind of hard to choose one to go back to (even if you could) because universes are created for the most minute changes. You'd never be able to find the correct one. :colbert:
[QUOTE=Alde;16609887]There's an infinite amount of universes. It would be kind of hard to choose one to go back to (even if you could) because universes are created for the most minute changes. You'd never be able to find the correct one. :colbert:[/QUOTE]
But if you went back to any universe, it would still reverse the creation of other universes in where you didn't go into the time machine. So by doing that, you can't have the many worlds theory and time travel.
Iunno, I don't understand either of those things too well.
[QUOTE=Monk3yman77;16610076]But if you went back to any universe, it would still reverse the creation of other universes in where you didn't go into the time machine. So by doing that, you can't have the many worlds theory and time travel.
Iunno, I don't understand either of those things too well.[/QUOTE]
I theory actual time travel backwards is impossible. Because the second you travel back in time you change the future and then never went back. Alternatively The past could have you in it and you could play a critical part in you coming back to the future to travel back so you can travel in time.
If I went back in time and killed my parrents before I was born then I would never be born and come back in time to kill my parrents so then I would be born but then I would come back and kill my parrents and not be born AND GET STUCK IN AN ENDLESS LOOP!!!!!!!!!:psyboom:
[QUOTE=skylortrexle;16610591]I theory actual time travel backwards is impossible. Because the second you travel back in time you change the future and then never went back. Alternatively The past could have you in it and you could play a critical part in you coming back to the future to travel back so you can travel in time.
If I went back in time and killed my parrents before I was born then I would never be born and come back in time to kill my parrents so then I would be born but then I would come back and kill my parrents and not be born AND GET STUCK IN AN ENDLESS LOOP!!!!!!!!!:psyboom:[/QUOTE]
Yeah yeah, I always thought time travel wasn't possible*. But if it was, what would happen with the many worlds theory?
[QUOTE=Kade;16516311] the probability of being in the immortal reality is infinitely small [/QUOTE]
Probability is not worth taking in to account when considering quantum events; We are not concerned with how unlikely something is of happening, just that it can. If you have enough events (for example, photons), then you will at some level get a measurable difference, just as there's so many of them
[QUOTE=Monk3yman77;16610731]Yeah yeah, I always thought time travel wasn't possible*. But if it was, what would happen with the many worlds theory?[/QUOTE]
It would become (or rather is) the infinite worlds theory.
Actually, theoretically we [i]could[/i] make a time machine..
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRWwI61so5Q[/media]
...just it could only go back to the point when it was turned on. I don’t think this would mess too much with the interpretation, as whatever happened then would just be a new branch of reality (seeing as there would be two sets of your particles when you moved back in time - your originals and the time travelled duplicates). Here things get very confusing, because it adds in the possibility of matter travelling backwards in time, which would then mean that at every instance there is a possibility that, at these time machine/special locations (as in the black hole in the video), a new reality where a time travelled particle could have emerged would also be on the probability/new reality list.
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[QUOTE=DaveP;16610812]Probability is not worth taking in to account when considering quantum events; We are not concerned with how unlikely something is of happening, just that it can. If you have enough events (for example, photons), then you will at some level get a measurable difference, just as there's so many of them[/QUOTE]
I don't really understand what you mean. The aspect of probability I was referring to was the probability of multiple particles wave functions continuously collapsing over time to cause the scenario of immortality, which if this theory holds true, is definite in some reality, but improbable in our own.
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