Quantum Suicide and Immortality - General

I had this idea but I like the version where your conciousness switches to the version where you don't die because conciousnesses can't be destroyed, only created, so everyone lives immortally and has a horrible existance eventually because they simply cannot die but since everyone else splits off in an instance where they would die and an instance where they wouldn't, the one where they wouldn't being where their conciousness now resides, you are totally oblivious. The only way to test it would be to attempt to kill yourself in a manner with a 000000.5% rate of failure or something, like skydiving without a parachute straight down while wearing a suicide belt and having taken incredibly lethal amounts of cyanide and other drugs, and if you survive, you're immortal, or possibly very very very very lucky.

I think my brain imploded

This is the most beautiful thing I have ever read. Mr. Tegmark is a fucking badass.

[QUOTE=Enishi;16516589]Isn't this only the case if the subject is entirely unobserved?[/QUOTE] Yes. But by observed remember this doesn’t mean Human observation. Observation just means interaction with another quantum system/particle. If the entire system is placed in a state of decoherence with the outside reality, then this can happen to macroscopic objects. For quantum objects this happens all the time, as they aren’t always interacting with their neighbours.

Makes some sense, but at some point you would die from dehydration if the gun doesn't fire and die from the gun if it fires. So it's not really immortality.

[QUOTE=Kade;16516447]Yeh you've pretty much got it, just remember though, our conscious decisions are all effectively the result of quantum particles interacting, and that a quantum measurement is simply just whenever two quantum particles interact. With this, and the ammount of quantum particles in the known universe, we can assume that the amount of 'parallel universes' is effectively near infinite. I’m sure there is probably a mathematical equation for working it out. Also notice how, because these increase over time, this is effectively the idea on entropy on a multiversal scale :smile: Edit: not sure if 'entropy' was the right word actualy... I meant where a system grows and becomes more intense and complex over time[/QUOTE] Our conscience is the result of chemistry, not quantum physics.

[QUOTE=Robber;16516634]Makes some sense, but at some point you would die from dehydration in both universes.[/QUOTE] There wouldn’t be only two universes, in the second one where he survives, when it becomes time to die the universe would split again, creating another where he lives and dies. This is what gives rise to the essence of probability, as the longer and longer this goes on for, the more 'dead' universes there are compared to 'live' ones. However, this would potentially go on for infinity, like a mathematical asymptote. [editline]01:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=noctune9;16516640]Our conscience is the result of chemistry, not quantum physics.[/QUOTE] All of science is essentialy built on physics. Even chemistry boils down to the reaction of particles.

[QUOTE=Kade;16516666]There wouldn’t be only two universes, in the second one where he survives, when it becomes time to die the universe would split again, creating another where he lives and dies. This is what gives rise to the essence of probability, as the longer and longer this goes on for, the more 'dead' universes there are compared to 'live' ones. However, this would potentially go on for infinity, like a mathematical asymptote.[/QUOTE] I edited my post to make it cleared what I said. But I'll say it again: It can't go on forever because at some point the guy pulling the trigger would die from age/not drinking/not eating etc.

[QUOTE=Robber;16516956]I edited my post to make it cleared what I said. But I'll say it again: It can't go on forever because at some point the guy pulling the trigger would die from age/not drinking/not eating etc.[/QUOTE] My reply to that was in the quote of me. When it becomes time to die the universe would split again, creating another where he lives and dies. There is no final death as with every measurement there will be a probability of survival, which would create another surviving reality, regardless of what the thing causing the death was. Even old age.

I've been arguing this for so long, and everyone called me mad, MAD!

As soon as I saw the word "quantum" I knew it was going to be some philosophical bullshit.

[QUOTE=ryanmh;16517330]As soon as I saw the word "quantum" I knew it was going to be some philosophical bullshit.[/QUOTE] Same, only when it involves string theory. They're all a bunch of cultists, I tell you.

I'm fairly sure when people talk about quantum mechanics or whatever, they're all just making it up, sucking eachother off. In an attempt to feel superior. It's all nonsense.

I quite like the idea, and it fits quite well with the theories regarding different dimensions (there is a video on Youtube somewhere that explains it well).

[QUOTE=Kade;16516535]Perhaps there is a machine that will either deliver or not deliver him a burger based on the state of a quantum particle too :clint:[/QUOTE] Need to be based on knowing if the quantum particles are going to let him choke or not aswell :D

Since when in the hell did people become able to create diffrent realities? The article lost me when it started talking about multiple realities.

Here is the simplistic explanation: Every time something happens that can cause your death, YOU take the path of not dying, this can apply anywhere from choking to death to dying of old age. To be honest, it's probably more of a hell then a heaven, since this applies to only your conscious. In other words, you can end up being a frail skeletal-like body in constant pain, but you will not die.

[QUOTE=Kade;16517006]My reply to that was in the quote of me. When it becomes time to die the universe would split again, creating another where he lives and dies. There is no final death as with every measurement there will be a probability of survival, which would create another surviving reality, regardless of what the thing causing the death was. Even old age.[/QUOTE] Why would it split if he died of old age? That doesn't have anything to do with quantum physics anymore and there's only one state, where he dies. What would make him survive in the universe in which he survived? Nothing! So he dies anyway.

[QUOTE=Robber;16517627]Why would it split if he died of old age? That doesn't have anything to do with quantum physics anymore and there's only one state, where he dies. What would make him survive in the universe in which he survived? Nothing! So he dies anyway.[/QUOTE] Your odds of surviving gradually decrease, but still never hit zero.

Video games are a great example of quantum immortality. Every time you save the game the universe splits out in several probably outcomes, in most you die, in 1 you die not and you save again, repeat. When you finished the game you have never died.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;16517284]I've been arguing this for so long, and everyone called me mad, MAD![/QUOTE] :allears: [editline]06:47AM[/editline] [QUOTE=ryanmh;16517330]As soon as I saw the word "quantum" I knew it was going to be some philosophical bullshit.[/QUOTE] Except this isn't philosophical. This falls under the "fucked up theories" in Science. [editline]06:49AM[/editline] [QUOTE=ZomBuster;16517764]Video games are a great example of quantum immortality. Every time you save the game the universe splits out in several probably outcomes, in most you die, in 1 you die not and you save again, repeat. When you finished the game you have never died.[/QUOTE] Well except the game is non relative. When you die time doesn't continue, thus the universe would, theoretically, stop existing. So unless you played a game on the same computer twice at the exact same time, then no.

The idea is when you die you go back to the save game, and what you do then might not be at the same time in the real world, in the game world it's parallel.

[QUOTE=ZomBuster;16517855]The idea is when you die you go back to the save game, and what you do then might not be at the same time in the real world, in the game world it's parallel.[/QUOTE] That doesn't make any sense. The time space lines goes like this in a game. [code]----------------------------|Save Game|----Death-|Universe Gone \ --------------------------------------------Universe continues[/code] There are no parallel universes because the other universe stopped existing.

Cool. For [B]SCIENCE!!![/B] :suicide:

[QUOTE=thisispain;16517915]That doesn't make any sense. The time space lines goes like this in a game. [code]----------------------------|Save Game|----Death-|Universe Gone \ --------------------------------------------Universe continues[/code] There are no parallel universes because the other universe stopped existing.[/QUOTE] Time... [B]LINE?[/B] Time is not in lines, time is in circles. That is why clocks are round! [editline]09:59AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Killer_Andre;16517943]Cool. For [B]SCIENCE!!![/B] :suicide:[/QUOTE] Funny thing, only you would probably be able to observe that you don't die, since we observe the more likely scenario of you dying.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;16517946]Time... [B]LINE?[/B] Time is not in lines, time is in circles. That is why clocks are round! [/QUOTE] :| time in computing is linear.

For those ranting about Quantum Mechanics as 'philisophical bullshit' etc, I hope you realise that pretty much all technology we use today is based on QM principals. Computers use laser technology for disk reading, circuit boards use quantum tunneling for various things, even down to the materials used. Electron microscopes are probably the most obvious thing.

I'm surprised I could read that whole thing without stuttering!

[QUOTE=thisispain;16517976]:| time in computing is linear.[/QUOTE] I was quoting one of my favorite idiots of all time, ok?

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;16518011]I was quoting one of my favorite idiots of all time, ok?[/QUOTE] fine then i'll quote the government [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/Leapsecond.png[/img]