Quantum Suicide and Immortality - General

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16520673]You, me, research, Nobel Prize, ultimate sex universes. We are gonna be the ultimate science team. [editline]12:59PM[/editline] Every position conceivable and more.[/QUOTE] Move over Einstein, get out of here Darwin, piss off Newton, the new boys are in town.

[QUOTE=Elements;16520699]Well the basis of QM is probability and wave functions. In Schrödinger’s Cat, the basis is that the cat is both dead or alive, until you look in the box, and then the wave function collapses into either dead OR alive. (Schrödinger’s Cat is a cat in a box with a gun pointing at the box that will fire at a random interval. Until you look into the box, you don't know whether or not the cat is alive or dead, so it is both). For this "Quantum Immortality" to work there could be no measurements... i think... I don't understand the infinite tries thing. The spin of an electron can change, and it eventually will, so you would die sooner or later...[/QUOTE] There is still an infinitesimal chance that the electron will never change it's direction, and in the universes that this occurs the man never dies.

So every time you die, you are transfered to a dimension where you didn't die? I really don't think consciousness works that way.

[QUOTE=Thlis;16520788]So every time you die, you are transfered to a dimension where you didn't die? I really don't think consciousness works that way.[/QUOTE] No, once you pull the trigger, you create two versions of you in two different universes, one which didn't die, and one which did. The one which didn't die would try to pull the trigger again, creating another two universes, and the process would continue. [b]EDIT:[/b] Also,The two people who are created are not you, thus you could not transfer your consciousness to them.

[QUOTE=fragmaplas;16520011]You can do no wrong with some Michio Kaku[/QUOTE] This is true.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;16520783]There is still an infinitesimal chance that the electron will never change it's direction, and in the universes that this occurs the man never dies.[/QUOTE] I still don't get it why he can't die from old age or dehydration (since he sits in his basement for days; pulling a trigger all day long. :v:).

So it's all just philosophy jargon. With no real benefit what so ever.

[QUOTE=Billiam;16520897]This is true.[/QUOTE] Internet high five for my new homie. [img]http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6001/highfive0808lg76258126.jpg[/img]

I don't get the cat thing. The cat isn't dead or alive until someone looks in the box? So observing the cat splits the universe not the act of the cat dying or not dying? does it only work if a person opens the box or can anything set this off? what about all of the microorganisms that live in or on the cat or just happen to be around the cat surely they would notice if the cat died because it would directly affect them.

[QUOTE=fragmaplas;16520929]Internet high five for my new homie. [img]http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6001/highfive0808lg76258126.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] You ho. I'm taking the Nobel Prize for myself and when I go to my wonderful Portman/Panettiere boning universe YOU WON'T BE INVITED

So are you saying that playing Russian Roulette has the ability to make someone immortal? :psyboom:

[QUOTE=Kizilbash;16520940]I don't get the cat thing. The cat isn't dead or alive until someone looks in the box? So observing the cat splits the universe not the act of the cat dying or not dying? does it only work if a person opens the box or can anything set this off? what about all of the microorganisms that live in or on the cat or just happen to be around the cat surely they would notice if the cat died because it would directly affect them.[/QUOTE] Perhaps reading through some more information about [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat]Schrödinger's cat[/url] will help you understand it better. [editline]01:16PM[/editline] [QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16520967]You ho. I'm taking the Nobel Prize for myself and when I go to my wonderful Portman/Panettiere boning universe YOU WON'T BE INVITED[/QUOTE] You backstabbing quantum universe stealing bastard!

once I saw an immortal guy on a game I tried to kill him but I couldn't because he was immortal.

[QUOTE=shibbypwwalkk;16521023]once I saw an immortal guy on a game I tried to kill him but I couldn't because he was immortal.[/QUOTE] why would you waste your time trying to kill an immortal guy if you knew beforehand that he is immortal.

[QUOTE=fragmaplas;16521092]why would you waste your time trying to kill an immortal guy if you knew beforehand that he is immortal.[/QUOTE] maybe the developers put in a secret that you could kill him so, somebody like me, would find out the secret.

[QUOTE=fragmaplas;16521092]why would you waste your time trying to kill an immortal guy if you knew beforehand that he is immortal.[/QUOTE] He can't be immortal until you try to kill him and fail because he is immortal.

[QUOTE=shibbypwwalkk;16521128]maybe the developers put in a secret that you could kill him so, somebody like me, would find out the secret.[/QUOTE] oh, I see. very clever. did you eventually find the secret? [editline]01:26PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Kizilbash;16521138]He can't be immortal until you try to kill him and fail because he is immortal.[/QUOTE] But maybe someone tried to kill him before and couldn't so he labeled him as immortal for any people who try to kill him.

[QUOTE=fragmaplas;16521152]oh, I see. very clever. did you eventually find the secret?[/QUOTE] There was no secret. He was immortal

[QUOTE=fragmaplas;16521152]oh, I see. very clever. did you eventually find the secret? [editline]01:26PM[/editline] But maybe someone tried to kill him before and couldn't so he labeled him as immortal for any people who try to kill him.[/QUOTE] no, there was no secret.

[QUOTE=shibbypwwalkk;16521202]no, there was no secret.[/QUOTE] it's only a secret if you don't know it. Either you found it and it's not a secret or you didn't and you don't know if it even exists

[QUOTE=Kizilbash;16521287]it's only a secret if you don't know it. Either you found it and it's not a secret or you didn't and you don't know if it even exists[/QUOTE] I was trying to find secrets ok?

So, if I'm posting a useless post like this here, or... even deeper, each key I press create a 2 parallel world with me doing or not this action? That so crazy shit but it make sence! Maybe that can explain ghosts, being this a anomaly which the person keep trapped between both dimensions, sometimes more for one than the other (simple foggy to full-body apparition, or physic powers...) I'll keep that in mind

[QUOTE=Joxalot;16521680]So, if I'm posting a useless post like this here, or... even deeper, each key I press create a 2 parallel world with me doing or not this action? That so crazy shit but it make sence! Maybe that can explain ghosts, being this a anomaly which the person keep trapped between both dimensions, sometimes more for one than the other (simple foggy to full-body apparition, or physic powers...) I'll keep that in mind[/QUOTE] Just because Quantum Mechanics is complicated doesn't mean that it allows for supernatural nonsense

Do it then.

[QUOTE=Sam Cutt;16520851]No, once you pull the trigger, you create two versions of you in two different universes, one which didn't die, and one which did. The one which didn't die would try to pull the trigger again, creating another two universes, and the process would continue. [b]EDIT:[/b] Also,The two people who are created are not you, thus you could not transfer your consciousness to them.[/QUOTE] Isn't this a horribly limited and flawed 2 way view of reality? What about the universe where you don't die, but are instead doomed to a life of infinite pain and suffering due to missing brain matter caused by bullets? This is a pansy view of life that doesn't take into account multiple consequences. Also, if it's true is the most horrible concept ever thought of. [editline]05:58PM[/editline] [QUOTE=fragmaplas;16521801]Just because Quantum Mechanics is complicated doesn't mean that it allows for supernatural nonsense[/QUOTE] Quantums makes me smart. Quantums makes me theory not wrong.

[QUOTE=he-did-it-->;16521838]Do it then.[/QUOTE] That is a nice post/username combo you have going there. [editline]02:02PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;16521839]Quantums makes me smart. Quantums makes me theory not wrong.[/QUOTE] i have a phd in quantumtology

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;16521839]Isn't this a horribly limited and flawed 2 way view of reality? What about the universe where you don't die, but are instead doomed to a life of infinite pain and suffering due to missing brain matter caused by bullets? This is a pansy view of life that doesn't take into account multiple consequences. Also, if it's true is the most horrible concept ever thought of. [/QUOTE] Since there is an infinite number of outcomes, the number of alternative realities soon ramps up. This is just an analogy of the theory.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;16522229]Since there is an infinite number of outcomes, the number of alternative realities soon ramps up. This is just an analogy of the theory.[/QUOTE] Well then all I suppose I can say given the evidence available is, cool idea. Don't see why you'd ever want to believe it though. Seems to be more something for the philosophers.

Sounds like a sequel for a Bond flick.

[QUOTE=Kade;16516311]While browsing Wikipedia for the rules of Russian Roulette, I stumbled upon an article about ‘Quantum Suicide and Immortality’. I’ve always been pretty interested in QM, and always thought that something like this was possible due to the probabilistic nature of QM, but I didn’t realise it was a full blown part of the theory. The whole thing is pretty much the concept of Schrödinger’s Cat, but from the cats perspective. Note: Any kids out there; don’t even think of doing this. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide_and_immortality[/url] Now for the purpose of this post. I understand how each ‘measurement’ of a quantum particle breaks decoherence and creates a new branch of reality for each possible outcome of the state of that quantum particle. My beef is that, although we could technically do this and create ‘some’ realities where immortality happens, this would not necessarily be our own reality. Probabilistically, in our own reality, within the first several attempts you WILL die, totally oblivious to another version of yourself surviving in another reality (surely consciousness cannot cross realities, right?). As we cannot chose which of these realities is ours, and the probability of being in the immortal reality is infinitely small (as it requires an infinite string of ‘survive’ outcomes) then surely this is totally unobservable (similar to the Heisenberg Uncertainty principal of not being able to predict the future states of quantum particles without knowing the information they contain – mass, velocity, direction etc – to an infinite degree of accuracy). Just wondered what other people’s thoughts on this whole concept were. p.s, I haven’t done physics since GCSE, so apologies if there are any inaccuracies here.[/QUOTE] Let's see... First of all you can't keep pulling the trigger an infinite amount of times, as that is impossible by definition. You can't do an infinite amount of a certain action. Second, If you do go back in time and the person dies, won't that more or less override the future? And a human being can't really continue the proccess for eternity as the death of said human will only occur by natural means. Unless you are in a MAGICAL universe where the person can ONLY die when the gun shoots at him.