Quantum Suicide and Immortality - General

[quote]He'll continue this process for eternity, becoming immortal.[/quote] Why the fuck does pulling a trigger over and over make you immortal.

[QUOTE=fragmaplas;16521801]Just because Quantum Mechanics is complicated doesn't mean that it allows for supernatural nonsense[/QUOTE] I don't beleive this bullshit totally too, but I didn't mentioned supernatural occouring, I just though it could make some sence quantium anomalies as a possible explenation, but since I'm know nothing about QM, you should ignore my theories... ...for now :ninja:

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;16522303]Well then all I suppose I can say given the evidence available is, cool idea. Don't see why you'd ever want to believe it though. Seems to be more something for the philosophers.[/QUOTE] I agree. It's a cool idea, but I can't really see the practicalities of it. You might be alive in another universe, but that's no help if you're dead in this one.

[QUOTE=smurfy;16522458]Why the fuck does pulling a trigger over and over make you immortal.[/QUOTE] Because each time the trigger is pulled, it create 2 universes. While one he's dead, the other he is alive, pulling the trigger, repeating the action, creating more universes where he's dead and he's alive and so on... Did I got it right?

[QUOTE=Joxalot;16522576]Because each time the trigger is pulled, it create 2 universes. While one he's dead, the other he is alive, pulling the trigger, repeating the action, creating more universes where he's dead and he's alive and so on... Did I got it right?[/QUOTE] sort of

[QUOTE=Camundongo;16522491]I agree. It's a cool idea, but I can't really see the practicalities of it. You might be alive in another universe, but that's no help if you're dead in this one.[/QUOTE] They're arguing it's possible that your consciousness is forced to continue on into a quantum universe in which it exists.

Wait, but does this theory works only with action/facts or it uses probability too? If not, is it possible to create more than 2 universes at the same times? [editline]03:37PM[/editline] And if there a infinite number of universes, how do I know which one I'm now or which one is the right one?

[QUOTE=Joxalot;16522732]Wait, but does this theory works only with action/facts or it uses probability too? If not, is it possible to create more than 2 universes at the same times?[/QUOTE] If there are more than 2 possibilities in a given situation, sure. [QUOTE=Joxalot;16522732]And if there a infinite number of universes, how do I know which one I'm now or which one is the right one?[/QUOTE] None of them are, "The right one." They're all objectively the same, and the people in them are all justified in saying theirs is reality.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16522710]They're arguing it's possible that your consciousness is forced to continue on into a quantum universe in which it exists.[/QUOTE] I see the point, but that wouldn't be the consciousness that died, it would now be a seperate identity existing in a different quantum. Which is immortality, but it's still has no real practical use if the universe you inhabit isn't the one where you end being immortal. Although that is also random. Also, on this basis, there must exist universes where everyone is immortal, yet ever youthful, constantly in a state of bliss and suffers from no strife. And the opposite where everyone is immortal, yet every moment of existence is torture. Maybe you end up in heaven or hell by chance.

So if someone have a heart attack, it can die, it can survive, or it can have permanent damage or any other problem Does it apply to this theory? [editline]03:45PM[/editline] Wow that's some deep shit bro

[QUOTE=Joxalot;16522931]So if someone have a heart attack, it can die, it can survive, or it can have permanent damage or any other problem Does it apply to this theory?[/QUOTE] Yes. A separate universe splits off for each possibility.

Cool, so basically everyone on Earth are "immortal" according to this theory? [editline]06:50PM[/editline] funny, my post count just dropped by like 1000.

[QUOTE=AltSwebonny;16523027]funny, my post count just dropped by like 1000.[/QUOTE] Mine too. Not quite 1,000, but it was above 25,000 before.

I don't see how a gun not working right would make you immortal

Hmmm... So in my reality, you awnsered my question. Let's say, ignoring my reality, in your reality is different, and you didn't awnsered my question So that means, for me, somehow you're a version of your universe that matches with mine, while vice versa? Hmmm, so I might be talking with a version of you, while, yours existence is different and, let's say, I never posted here. So that mean I live in a individual universe and you all are just version of your universe that match with mine... [highlight]BRAIN OVERLOAD!!![/highlight]

[QUOTE=LSK;16520468]Okay, but that still doesn't make any sense. [i]Why[/i] is another universe created? What causes that? This is very confusing.[/QUOTE] It's a theory that every event causes the universe to split into parallel universes; one for each possible outcome of that event.

[QUOTE=InsanePyro;16523214]I don't see how a gun not working right would make you immortal[/QUOTE] It's an analogy. In real life, due to probablity and quantum, there's a tiny chance that you will never die, because the events that need to occur for you to die never happen.

[QUOTE=Joxalot;16522576]Because each time the trigger is pulled, it create 2 universes. While one he's dead, the other he is alive, pulling the trigger, repeating the action, creating more universes where he's dead and he's alive and so on... Did I got it right?[/QUOTE] The trigger shouldn't add any more time to his natural lifespan for pete's sake. If he pulls the trigger, even if it does create a new universe, it won't stop the fact that the person HIMSELF still ages. After he dies of natural causes, he will NOT pull the trigger anymore. [editline]07:15PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Camundongo;16523282]It's an analogy. In real life, due to probablity and quantum, there's a tiny chance that you will never die, because the events that need to occur for you to die never happen.[/QUOTE] TIME still applies. Thus you age, Thus you still die of natural causes some day. This theory would ONLY work in a reality where the person doesn't age AT ALL.

Guys i got it! i'm going to find a Save-Point, save, and continue living. If something doesnt go the way i planned, i shoot myself right in the face and load it up again.

[QUOTE=SeRo-;16523501]The trigger shouldn't add any more time to his natural lifespan for pete's sake. If he pulls the trigger, even if it does create a new universe, it won't stop the fact that the person HIMSELF still ages. After he dies of natural causes, he will NOT pull the trigger anymore. [editline]07:15PM[/editline] TIME still applies. Thus you age, Thus you still die of natural causes some day. This theory would ONLY work in a reality where the person doesn't age AT ALL.[/QUOTE] yes, but the point is, in one universe the guy dies of old age, the other he doesn't. the chances of him surviving old age get smaller and smaller with each new universe but they NEVER reach zero and in every universe he's dead. Hence being immortal. you can split a number in half infinity times, yet you'll never reach zero. get it now? The theory doesn't just involve the gun, it involves every possible aspect so somewhere down the line at incredible chance the guy is immortal.

I heard there is a save point inside that giant meat grinder, let's gogogo!

[QUOTE=arimi;16516366]wow out with Newtonian theory and in with the quantum theory[/QUOTE] What the FUCK are you talking about?

[QUOTE=joe588;16523646]yes, but the point is, in one universe the guy dies of old age, the other he doesn't. the chances of him surviving old age get smaller and smaller with each new universe but they NEVER reach zero and in every universe he's dead. Hence being immortal. you can split a number in half infinity times, yet you'll never reach zero. get it now? The theory doesn't just involve the gun, it involves every possible aspect so somewhere down the line at incredible chance the guy is immortal.[/QUOTE] Still, there are limits to how old a human being can age. As death by natural cause isn't related to a 50/50 chance. But to the Telomere [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomere[/url] "The telomere shortening mechanism normally limits cells to a fixed number of divisions, and animal studies suggest that this is responsible for aging on the cellular level and sets a limit on lifespans." So basically this DNA sequence shortens every time the cell duplicates. For lack of a better word, the clock of aging. If Death was related to chance, people would most likely not live past 5. [b]PLEASE NOTE, THIS IS WHAT I READ/HEARD SOMEWHERE, IF I AM WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT ME AND I SHALL REVISE MY POST![/b]

SeRo- has a point... But maybe this Telomere might or might not happend in one of those splitted universes We never know, we are talking about quantium mechanics, where the shit hit the fan... ... And don't, at the same time :P

[QUOTE=Joxalot;16524026]SeRo- has a point... But maybe this Telomere might or might not happend in one of those splitted universes We never know, we are talking about quantium mechanics, where the shit hit the fan... ... And don't, at the same time :P[/QUOTE] I don't know if it is necessary or not for the shortening of the telomere to happen. Though I think it is, as it happens every single time the cell reproduces.

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[QUOTE=SeRo-;16523827]Still, there are limits to how old a human being can age. As death by natural cause isn't related to a 50/50 chance. But to the Telomere [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomere[/url] "The telomere shortening mechanism normally limits cells to a fixed number of divisions, and animal studies suggest that this is responsible for aging on the cellular level and sets a limit on lifespans." So basically this DNA sequence shortens every time the cell duplicates. For lack of a better word, the clock of aging. If Death was related to chance, people would most likely not live past 5. [b]PLEASE NOTE, THIS IS WHAT I READ/HEARD SOMEWHERE, IF I AM WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT ME AND I SHALL REVISE MY POST![/b][/QUOTE] Any number of things could happen. Death really is a chance. A meteorite could hit your house, a lightning bolt could strike you as walk down the street, a car you walk past might explode by freak chance. Living is basically a large series of you not dying. And as for the telomere issue, what if by chance your telomeres never shorten, and you never get killed due to something else. The chances of it happening are almost non-existent, but because there are an infinite number of universes, it must happen.

[QUOTE=SeRo-;16524174]I don't know if it is necessary or not for the shortening of the telomere to happen. Though I think it is, as it happens every single time the cell reproduces.[/QUOTE] And so it comes the Quantium Suicide and Immorality Wonder what happend if 2 unrelated splitted universes collide [editline]05:05PM[/editline] Ninja'd!

[QUOTE=Camundongo;16524269]Any number of things could happen. Death really is a chance. A meteorite could hit your house, a lightning bolt could strike you as walk down the street, a car you walk past might explode by freak chance. Living is basically a large series of you not dying. And as for the telomere issue, what if by chance your telomeres never shorten, and you never get killed due to something else. The chances of it happening are almost non-existent, but because there are an infinite number of universes, it must happen.[/QUOTE] By chance I meant Chance if death by Natural Means. I'm not any kind of scientist, so I don't know if it's actually possible for them NOT to shorten, so I guess your ideas have pushed me out of this argument. If it is 100% vital for the telomeres to shorten, or if this process is unstoppable, then idea in OP won't work.

[QUOTE=joe588;16523646]yes, but the point is, in one universe the guy dies of old age, the other he doesn't. the chances of him surviving old age get smaller and smaller with each new universe but they [B]NEVER reach zero [/B]and in every universe he's dead. Hence being immortal.[/QUOTE] Wrong! They do. A 1000 years old person is dead, no matter what, not even a infinitely small chance of survival.