[QUOTE=Robber;16524550]Wrong! They do. A 1000 years old person is dead, no matter what, not even a infinitely small chance of survival.[/QUOTE]
In your universe...
Wait, or it's my universe, or that other guy universe?
OH FUCK!
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That's all you got, punk?
[QUOTE=Robber;16524550]Wrong! They do. A 1000 years old person is dead, no matter what, not even a infinitely small chance of survival.[/QUOTE]
What if by the smallest chance they have never aged?
[QUOTE=Camundongo;16524770]What if by the smallest chance they have never aged?[/QUOTE]
That's physically impossible. :downs:
[QUOTE=Robber;16524808]That's physically impossible. :downs:[/QUOTE]
No, just very, very, very improbable.
bullshit, why do I have to live in the universe where I die
Though likely incorrect, I find the idea comforting that should a loved one die, they exist in another universe alive.
This whole idea is actually very interesting to me.
That's mind blowing!
Haha get it, cause if you shoot yourself in the head it blows your mind.
Oh I think I get it.
So a guy shoots himself in our universe and he is dead. But to him, he's in this other place where him dying never happened.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;16524831]No, just very, very, very improbable.[/QUOTE]
totaly agreed, thats the basis of this whole thing!
So, this is like, for every thing that could have more than one outcome there is another universe for every outcome?
[QUOTE=Bamboo;16525162]That's mind blowing!
Haha get it, cause if you shoot yourself in the head it blows your mind.
Oh I think I get it.
So a guy shoots himself in our universe and he is dead. But to him, he's in this other place where him dying never happened.[/QUOTE]
Yes. Or basically all the universes where he didn't die. So that might be an infinite number places where he's alive, and an infinite number where he isn't. It depends on many outcomes you believe you can get from a given moment.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;16525323]Yes. Or basically all the universes where he didn't die. So that might be an infinite number places where he's alive, and an infinite number where he isn't. It depends on many outcomes you believe you can get from a given moment.[/QUOTE]
Okay, but what happens to everyone else in the universe, or are they all doing different out comes at the same time, and for every physical object there is a new universe
woah.
[QUOTE=Jimbojib;16525313]So, this is like, for every thing that could have more than one outcome there is another universe for every outcome?[/QUOTE]
Yes
Crazy shit, right?
In another universe, I just died typing this message.
[QUOTE=Billiam;16525417]In another universe, I just died typing this message.[/QUOTE]
In another universe I am banging Natalie Portman while I type this message.
And it's damn good.
[QUOTE=Jimbojib;16525362]Okay, but what happens to everyone else in the universe, or are they all doing different out comes at the same time, and for every physical object there is a new universe
woah.[/QUOTE]
Hence my reckoning that every 10^-44 seconds, an infinite number of universes are generated (10^-44 seconds being the shortest meaningful period of time as reckoned by quantum physics).
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;16521839]Isn't this a horribly limited and flawed 2 way view of reality? What about the universe where you don't die, but are instead doomed to a life of infinite pain and suffering due to missing brain matter caused by bullets?
This is a pansy view of life that doesn't take into account multiple consequences. Also, if it's true is the most horrible concept ever thought of.[/QUOTE]
This needs to be re-stated. This *hypothesis* (and a shitty one at that) assumes that there are only two outcomes:
1. The gun fires. You die.
2. The gun doesn't fire. You live.
It then assumes that the only possible way you live, is the 2nd outcome, therefore the gun "never" fires. The problem with this should be really fucking obvious. Mcguffin nailed it.
If you must simplify the possible outcomes, then there are only 3; I've decided to give them some pseudo-chances:
1. The gun fires. You die. (90% chance)
2. The gun fires. You live, but with horrible brain damage and disfigurement. (9.9999999999999999999999999999% chance)
3. The gun doesn't fire. You live. (0.000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance
The "quantam suicide" hypothesis requires that every time the trigger is pulled, you "live" because "obviously" the gun firing = death. But a more realistic outcome is the gun firing, and you still living, but horribly fucked up for the rest of your immortal life.
You know what really happens in that experiment?
The subject sits down. Picks up the gun. Points it at his head. He pulls the trigger, and two universes are created. One in which he dies instantly. The other in which he survives because the gun "only" blew off half of his head and the EMT's managed to save his life in time.
I think the flaw with this idea is that it thinks consciousness is transferable between universes. It treats it as something special that is everlasting and constant.
When you die, you're dead. You don't jump experiences to the next living you. If a perfect replica of you is created, you don't experience both yous simultaneously.
This isn't to say that it's wrong, this is merely a detail, but one thing to remember is that it doesn't matter in the slightest as we won't notice it even if it's true.
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[QUOTE=Camundongo;16525499]Hence my reckoning that every 10^-44 seconds, an infinite number of universes are generated (10^-44 seconds being the shortest meaningful period of time as reckoned by quantum physics).[/QUOTE]
What about the universe where there is an even smaller amount of time? This sort of thing might be able to happen with the advent of this infinite improbability theory.
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[QUOTE=Praetorian;16525504]This needs to be re-stated. This *hypothesis* (and a shitty one at that) assumes that there are only two outcomes:
1. The gun fires. You die.
2. The gun doesn't fire. You live.
It then assumes that the only possible way you live, is the 2nd outcome, therefore the gun "never" fires. The problem with this should be really fucking obvious. Mcguffin nailed it.
If you must simplify the possible outcomes, then there are only 3; I've decided to give them some pseudo-chances:
1. The gun fires. You die. (90% chance)
2. The gun fires. You live, but with horrible brain damage and disfigurement. (9.9999999999999999999999999999% chance)
3. The gun doesn't fire. You live. (0.000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance
The "quantam suicide" hypothesis requires that every time the trigger is pulled, you "live" because "obviously" the gun firing = death. But a more realistic outcome is the gun firing, and you still living, but horribly fucked up for the rest of your immortal life.
You know what really happens in that experiment?
The subject sits down. Picks up the gun. Points it at his head. He pulls the trigger, and two universes are created. One in which he dies instantly. The other in which he survives because the gun "only" blew off half of his head and the EMT's managed to save his life in time.[/QUOTE]
Probabilities don't apply. Technically each chance is infinitely probable, looking at it from this sort of consciousness universe hopping perspective.
This is more or less just wishing to be immortal.
Don't you see how you are pandering for the hope that you can live forever?
[QUOTE=fragmaplas;16525490]In another universe I am banging Natalie Portman while I type this message.
And it's damn good.[/QUOTE]
Damn, I wish in another universe I was doing that...
Wait a minute, I am :dance:
[QUOTE=Thlis;16525575]This is more or less just wishing to be immortal.
Don't you see how you are pandering for the hope that you can live forever?[/QUOTE]
To be honest, that's exactly what this looks like. And the reason I don't take it very seriously is because it's a bad attempt at it at that.
[QUOTE=Praetorian;16525504]This needs to be re-stated. This *hypothesis* (and a shitty one at that) assumes that there are only two outcomes:
1. The gun fires. You die.
2. The gun doesn't fire. You live.
It then assumes that the only possible way you live, is the 2nd outcome, therefore the gun "never" fires. The problem with this should be really fucking obvious. Mcguffin nailed it.
If you must simplify the possible outcomes, then there are only 3; I've decided to give them some pseudo-chances:
1. The gun fires. You die. (90% chance)
2. The gun fires. You live, but with horrible brain damage and disfigurement. (9.9999999999999999999999999999% chance)
3. The gun doesn't fire. You live. (0.000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance
The "quantam suicide" hypothesis requires that every time the trigger is pulled, you "live" because "obviously" the gun firing = death. But a more realistic outcome is the gun firing, and you still living, but horribly fucked up for the rest of your immortal life.
You know what really happens in that experiment?
The subject sits down. Picks up the gun. Points it at his head. He pulls the trigger, and two universes are created. One in which he dies instantly. The other in which he survives because the gun "only" blew off half of his head and the EMT's managed to save his life in time.[/QUOTE]
you can't say the chance, and think of all the different ways the brain could go.
So an infinite amount of universes.
[QUOTE=Robber;16524550]Wrong! They do. A 1000 years old person is dead, no matter what, not even a infinitely small chance of survival.[/QUOTE]
FYI an infinitely small chance is the same as zero chance.
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[QUOTE=Thlis;16525575]This is more or less just wishing to be immortal.
Don't you see how you are pandering for the hope that you can live forever?[/QUOTE]
Yup. We made up quantum mechanics so that we can pretend we live forever. It's just like religion.
[QUOTE=Praetorian;16525504]This needs to be re-stated. This *hypothesis* (and a shitty one at that) assumes that there are only two outcomes:
1. The gun fires. You die.
2. The gun doesn't fire. You live.
It then assumes that the only possible way you live, is the 2nd outcome, therefore the gun "never" fires. The problem with this should be really fucking obvious. Mcguffin nailed it.
If you must simplify the possible outcomes, then there are only 3; I've decided to give them some pseudo-chances:
1. The gun fires. You die. (90% chance)
2. The gun fires. You live, but with horrible brain damage and disfigurement. (9.9999999999999999999999999999% chance)
3. The gun doesn't fire. You live. (0.000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance
The "quantam suicide" hypothesis requires that every time the trigger is pulled, you "live" because "obviously" the gun firing = death. But a more realistic outcome is the gun firing, and you still living, but horribly fucked up for the rest of your immortal life.
You know what really happens in that experiment?
The subject sits down. Picks up the gun. Points it at his head. He pulls the trigger, and two universes are created. One in which he dies instantly. The other in which he survives because the gun "only" blew off half of his head and the EMT's managed to save his life in time.[/QUOTE]
The gun being able to fire is dictated by the spin of a quantum particle, which is observed everytime the trigger is pulled. This gives the gun a 50% chance of firing, as the chance of the spin being clockwise or counter-clockwise is exactly 50%. Therefore, the subject has a 50% chance of shot. However, there are a large number of other things that could happen. The gun could happen to not fire due to another issue. It might fire when it's not supposed to. A meteorite could hit, killing the subject before he even fires. Or hit just after the gun has failed to hit.
The quantum suicide/immortality theory works of the basis that given a given situation, there is always a chance you will live through it, no matter how small that chance is, and therefore there is a timeline/universe where you always are lucky and always avoid death.
Question: If there is an infinite number of Universes, wouldn't that there would be one where an identical form of The Combine exist, and since The Combine can tunnel through Universes, couldn't that mean they would discover us?
It would be like Half-Life 2, only withouth Gordon Freeman!
[QUOTE=Billiam;16525605]Damn, I wish in another universe I was doing that...
Wait a minute, I am :dance:[/QUOTE]
In another universe I was born with a cock the size of a bull elephant and I'm now beating you to death with it.
And you're doing the same to me. Cut that shit out.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;16525523]I think the flaw with this idea is that it thinks consciousness is transferable between universes. It treats it as something special that is everlasting and constant.
When you die, you're dead. You don't jump experiences to the next living you. If a perfect replica of you is created, you don't experience both yous simultaneously.
This isn't to say that it's wrong, this is merely a detail, but one thing to remember is that it doesn't matter in the slightest as we won't notice it even if it's true.[/QUOTE]
No, now you've misunderstood. The idiots who keep posting this hypothesis just suck at explaining. Your consciousness is *not* transferred. The simplest way to explain is that, the gun "doesn't fire", because if it fired, then there would be nobody to observe that the gun fired.
It's basically the question; "If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" but restated as; "If a gun is pointed at your head, does it fire when you pull the trigger?" The answer in this hypothesis is assumed to be "No", because if you died then there would be nobody to observe the gun. Therefore, you must live to observe the fact that you are still alive.
It's basically, every time the trigger is pulled, you don't die. But a reality is created where you *do* die. Your consciousness is not being transferred to a new reality, it merely continues to exist in the current reality (however horribly disfigured and brain damaged it now is...).
//I apologize for butchering any QM for trying to bring that explanation to a more easily understood level.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;16525683]Question: If there is an infinite number of Universes, wouldn't that there would be one where an identical form of The Combine exist, and since The Combine can tunnel through Universes, couldn't that mean they would discover us?
It would be like Half-Life 2, only withouth Gordon Freeman![/QUOTE]
So many wonderful opportunities are unleashed with infinite improbability.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;16525683]Question: If there is an infinite number of Universes, wouldn't that there would be one where an identical form of The Combine exist, and since The Combine can tunnel through Universes, couldn't that mean they would discover us?
It would be like Half-Life 2, only withouth Gordon Freeman![/QUOTE]
Yes the could discover us, but they'd be another universe for that too.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16525620]FYI an infinitely small chance is the same as zero chance.
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Yup. We made up quantum mechanics so that we can pretend we live forever. It's just like religion.[/QUOTE]
Not quantum mechanics itself. That's simply a bastardized form of science used to justify all the silliest new age beliefs, though in of itself it's relatively correct.
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