Quantum Suicide and Immortality - General

Oh shit, in another set of universes I'm talking about another set of universes talking about another set of universes.

King me. [QUOTE=Camundongo;16526296]Yes.[/QUOTE] So then it doesn't exist, but then for it not to exists the other universe is needed but it can't not...oh god...

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;16525523]I think the flaw with this idea is that it thinks consciousness is transferable between universes. It treats it as something special that is everlasting and constant. When you die, you're dead. You don't jump experiences to the next living you. If a perfect replica of you is created, you don't experience both yous simultaneously. This isn't to say that it's wrong, this is merely a detail, but one thing to remember is that it doesn't matter in the slightest as we won't notice it even if it's true. [editline]08:58PM[/editline] What about the universe where there is an even smaller amount of time? This sort of thing might be able to happen with the advent of this infinite improbability theory. [editline]08:59PM[/editline] Probabilities don't apply. Technically each chance is infinitely probable, looking at it from this sort of consciousness universe hopping perspective.[/QUOTE] i dont belive that conciousness is transfrerd betweeen universes. thats my entire point. im reallt fuking drunk right now. but i agree with you up untill this point. we cannot transfer our consiousness. so we may die. but in another universe we live on

Any theory which declares that any opposite is always true is doomed to failure.

In another universe, it doesn't

What has Science done...

So, basically anything about anyone doing anything ever is happening at anytime and anyplace? [editline]05:45PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Billiam;16526631]What has Science done...[/QUOTE] Birthed either the most awesome of theories, or the most heinous. :science:

In other universes, yes

So this is going to sound horribly stupid... So, say you succeed in the Quantum Suicide? And then what...? Can you stop...? Is there any way to just take the gun away from your head and walk away? Because it sounds like you just keep on pulling the trigger... on and on and on and on... with no end.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;16526637]So, basically anything about anyone doing anything ever is happening at anytime and anyplace?[/QUOTE] And at the same time not. :psyboom:

[QUOTE=LiveGrenade;16526697]So this is going to sound horribly stupid... So, say you succeed in the Quantum Suicide? And then what...? Can you stop...? Is there any way to just take the gun away from your head and walk away? Because it sounds like you just keep on pulling the trigger... on and on and on and on... with no end.[/QUOTE] Exactly, you would be pulling the trigger on and on and on with no end. There are even more extreme one's where they talk about you standing next to an exploding Hydrogen Bomb and surviving.

You can stop pulling the trigger if you kick reason to the curb and do the impossible.

It's a neat idea, but it confused the fuck out of me.

[img]http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/quantum-immortality-1.gif[/img] [url]http://science.howstuffworks.com/quantum-suicide.htm[/url] [B][I]Each time the trigger is pulled, the Universe splits into 2 versions to accommodate each outcome [/I][/B] easier to under stand now?

I think some things need explaining to people who do not understand quantum mechanics: *Quantum mechanics cannot be manipulated or 'changed' to dictate outcomes. You cannot make yourself immortal (although because of the infinite outcomes principle there is a negligible chance that you may never die, but don't count on it). *In the gun analogy it's talking about 2 possible outcomes for a particular scenario, to help to explain the infinite outcomes and multi-universe thing (that's why if you don't understand it you start thinking of ways to interfere with it, somebody mentioned a fault with the gun or a meteorite stopping the gun from being fired). It's not a real life example and the possibility of you surviving it if you tried it yourself is negligible. *Quantum mechanics doesn't have anything to do with conciousness, when a new universe is created for a new outcome your conciousness isn't 'transferred' because a new 'you' is created there. *Just for the record, it isn't something that's been created for convenience. Quantum theory is possibly the most successful theory ever created.

[QUOTE=ducky5;16527899][img]http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/quantum-immortality-1.gif[/img] [url]http://science.howstuffworks.com/quantum-suicide.htm[/url] [B][I]Each time the trigger is pulled, the Universe splits into 2 versions to accommodate each outcome [/I][/B] easier to under stand now?[/QUOTE] I understand that, I just don't understand what a quantum particle is. I probably should have paid attention in science class.

[QUOTE=halflife_123;16528049]I think some things need explaining to people who do not understand quantum mechanics: *Quantum mechanics cannot be manipulated or 'changed' to dictate outcomes. You cannot make yourself immortal (although because of the infinite outcomes principle there is a negligible chance that you may never die, but don't count on it). *In the gun analogy it's talking about 2 possible outcomes for a particular scenario, to help to explain the infinite outcomes and multi-universe thing (that's why if you don't understand it you start thinking of ways to interfere with it, somebody mentioned a fault with the gun or a meteorite stopping the gun from being fired). It's not a real life example and the possibility of you surviving it if you tried it yourself is negligible. *Quantum mechanics doesn't have anything to do with conciousness, when a new universe is created for a new outcome your conciousness isn't 'transferred' because a new 'you' is created there. *Just for the record, it isn't something that's been created for convenience. Quantum theory is possibly the most successful theory ever created.[/QUOTE] Actually, I mentioned the fault with the gun or the meteorite to try and show that the analogy obviously isn't perfect in the real world, and if the experiment was done there would be an almost infinite number of things that could affect the experiment, but regardless of that there is still always a small chance of surviving a given situation, and in one universe you do survive every given situation.

[QUOTE=Robber;16516634]Makes some sense, but at some point you would die from dehydration if the gun doesn't fire and die from the gun if it fires. So it's not really immortality.[/QUOTE] not inmmortality in the dimension your conciousness is in, but for your other self...

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;16516328]..... The rules of Russian Roulette?[/QUOTE] The chamber isnt loaded if its-the-... What is this? JEDI MIND TRICKS?!?!?

[QUOTE=halflife_123;16528049]I think some things need explaining to people who do not understand quantum mechanics: *Quantum mechanics cannot be manipulated or 'changed' to dictate outcomes. You cannot make yourself immortal (although because of the infinite outcomes principle there is a negligible chance that you may never die, but don't count on it). *In the gun analogy it's talking about 2 possible outcomes for a particular scenario, to help to explain the infinite outcomes and multi-universe thing (that's why if you don't understand it you start thinking of ways to interfere with it, somebody mentioned a fault with the gun or a meteorite stopping the gun from being fired). It's not a real life example and the possibility of you surviving it if you tried it yourself is negligible. *Quantum mechanics doesn't have anything to do with conciousness, when a new universe is created for a new outcome your conciousness isn't 'transferred' because a new 'you' is created there. *Just for the record, it isn't something that's been created for convenience. Quantum theory is possibly the most successful theory ever created.[/QUOTE] thank fuck a few people understand the true nature of this theory.

So its like saying everything occurs at once, and technically, he is immortal in one sense because in one of the series of worlds the gun never goes off?

[QUOTE=Peacekid;16530059]So its like saying everything occurs at once, and technically, he is immortal in one sense because in one of the series of worlds the gun never goes off?[/QUOTE] yes

Woa, [i]woa[/i], guys, I tried it and it [i]totally works![/i] You should all go out and get a gun now, keep pulling the trigger and nothing ever happens! :buddy: ...bullets? Why would I need bullets?

This is kind of a silly theory, as there's no your consciousness wouldn't be transferred between realities, and if you pull the trigger with the same exact initial conditions, the result will always be the same.

[QUOTE=lmaoboat;16531749]This is kind of a silly theory, as there's no your consciousness wouldn't be transferred between realities, and if you pull the trigger with the same exact initial conditions, the result will always be the same.[/QUOTE] As long as you use a quantum particle to decide whether gun will fire, then no it won't. The particle has a 50% chance to be spinning in one direction, and 50% to be spinning in the other. Conditions don't affect it. In fact keeping the conditions exact makes it more random.

Does the Universe actually split or is that the theory, that it does split.

[QUOTE=FunnyFirstPost;16531872]Does the Universe actually split or is that the theory, that it does split.[/QUOTE] Just a theory, if even that.

[QUOTE=FunnyFirstPost;16531872]Does the Universe actually split or is that the theory, that it does split.[/QUOTE] That's the theory, by the very nature of the theory we can't tell. Unless we're in a universe where you can. This theory is damn confusing.

[QUOTE=lmaoboat;16531907]...if even that.[/QUOTE] lol what.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16531933]lol what.[/QUOTE] Might be less than a theory, I haven't seen any evidence of alternate universes, but I haven't really looked. I am sure, however, that consciousness is irrelevant to this kind of thing as our actions are just as deterministic as a cannonball's trajectory.