A plea to the "intelligent" half of America RE: Homosexuality - General

[QUOTE=Rubs10;19514543]No, it isn't. Humans have evolved way beyond the need to reproduce and have developed way beyond the need to listen to natural instinct. Besides that, there is no 'purpose' to life. Life itself had such a slim, near impossible chance of ever occuring. There was no creator to give us a purpose, it just happened. Now that I think about it, the argument that 'the purpose is to reproduce because animals do it' is not fact, it's just a theory because we know so little about animals and there is no basis for that to be a fact. Anyone who takes theories for facts is an idiot in my opinion.[/QUOTE] Then Scientists are idiots?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;19514570]Society has changed to make middle ages religious practices unacceptable, but religion's instruction manual hasn't. See: Bible[/QUOTE] Interpretation of the bible has changed.

This discussion is getting gay. I am off to bed.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;19514608]This discussion is getting gay. I am off to bed.[/QUOTE] Goodnight.

[QUOTE=Dr_Jones;19514554]I'm not even religious and [B]I[/B] forbid gay sex.[/QUOTE] That's called being wrong.

[QUOTE=Marlwolf78;19514592]Interpretation of the bible has changed.[/QUOTE] Yes, but all you have to do is compare the advancement of science to the advancement of religion and you can quite easily see which one comes out ahead.

[QUOTE=Marlwolf78;19514592]Interpretation of the bible has changed.[/QUOTE] Yeah, people take the bible MUCH more literal now.

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;19514623]That's called being fascist.[/QUOTE] Fix'd

[QUOTE=Zeke129;19514643]Yes, but all you have to do is compare the advancement of science to the advancement of religion and you can quite easily see which one comes out ahead.[/QUOTE] I thought the point was to compare which one advanced, not what rate they advance.

[QUOTE=The_Lizard_Xing;19514367]It's a theroy, the same as religion.[/QUOTE] No. A theory is something proven and tested by evidence and can be used to predict future outcomes based on starting circumstances. What religion is is a hypothesis, an unproven theory, at best anyway. As far as I'm concerned, at best, religion and spirituality isn't harmful. That doesn't mean it's beneficial, usually, it's a small inconvenience or a waste of someones time. At worst it is a huge negative impact on society, completely pointless and unnecessary, usually ending in genocide or unjustified hate.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;19514508]Also the bible only forbids gay sex.[/QUOTE] That depends where you hear that from. Our school teaches us that it wasn't the bible that said it, it was just some law from some ancient civilization that had something to do with the current story in the bible. If you look at [I]any[/I] other reference to homosexuality in the bible, there is nothing stating it is wrong.

[QUOTE=The_Lizard_Xing;19514585]Then Scientists are idiots?[/QUOTE] Actually, Lizard, you've got the wrong idea entirely about science. Science says that human beings are made of trillions of tiny cells. Put a piece of human tissue under a microscope and HOLY SHIT! CELLS! Religion says that actually, everything was created by a dude who has always existed and will always exist, simply because he wished it into existence. Can it be proven? 'Fraid not. Look. Religion is faith. If you believe in it, that's okay. Science is theory based on lengthy observation, experimentation, and careful organizing of results. They're nowhere near in the same league.

[QUOTE=Marlwolf78;19514592]Interpretation of the bible has changed.[/QUOTE] How you interpreter "Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus 19:13" I can't unmount devices anymore or I will be kill -7'd?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;19514643]Yes, but all you have to do is compare the advancement of science to the advancement of religion and you can quite easily see which one comes out ahead.[/QUOTE] Religion and science are two different things. It would be dumb to try and compare them.

[QUOTE=evilking1;19514681]How you interpreter "Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus 19:13" I can't unmount devices anymore or I will be kill -7'd?[/QUOTE] Not rewording, metaphorical interpretation.

[QUOTE=Marlwolf78;19514659]I thought the point was to compare which one advanced, not what rate they advance.[/QUOTE] Actually, my first post was to generate funny ratings by over-exaggerating the stagnancy of religion.

[QUOTE=archangel125;19514679]Actually, Lizard, you've got the wrong idea entirely about science. Science says that human beings are made of trillions of tiny cells. Put a piece of human tissue under a microscope and HOLY SHIT! CELLS! Religion says that actually, everything was created by a dude who has always existed and will always exist, simply because he wished it into existence. Can it be proven? 'Fraid not.[/QUOTE] Don't forget that that dude created evil and let people as curious and as ignorant as children learn what evil was and therefore fucked up his own creation. it's like knocking over a tower of blocks except the blocks praise you for it.

[QUOTE=The_Lizard_Xing;19514462]:lol: Agreed. But there are noble religious characters all throughout history that have taught alot of mordern culture about the value of life. [B]It would be close-minded to simply say religion is a waste of time[/B].[/QUOTE] Hi. Welcome to 2010. There is not a man in the sky. Thank you. I'm not going to dispute that before the early 1900s, or probably earlier, religion's benefits outweighed the negatives. However, it was a fake crutch, based on silly ideas and beliefs, that have no place in today's society. Retoasting this since it was last post on page 4. [QUOTE=The_Lizard_Xing;19514367]It's a theroy, the same as religion.[/QUOTE] No. A theory is something proven and tested by evidence and can be used to predict future outcomes based on starting circumstances. What religion is is a hypothesis, an unproven theory, at best anyway. As far as I'm concerned, at best, religion and spirituality isn't harmful. That doesn't mean it's beneficial, usually, it's a small inconvenience or a waste of someones time. At worst it is a huge negative impact on society, completely pointless and unnecessary, usually ending in genocide or unjustified hate.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;19514716]Actually, my first post was to generate funny ratings by over-exaggerating the stagnancy of religion.[/QUOTE] Sorry for taking it too far then.

I will quote myself. [quote]God was great, science is greater.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Kybalt;19514738]Hi. Welcome to 2010. There is not a man in the sky. Thank you. I'm not going to dispute that before the early 1900s, or probably earlier, religion's benefits outweighed the negatives. However, it was a fake crutch, based on silly ideas and beliefs, that have no place in today's society. Retoasting this since it was last post on page 4. No. A theory is something proven and tested by evidence and can be used to predict future outcomes based on starting circumstances. What religion is is a hypothesis, an unproven theory, at best anyway. As far as I'm concerned, at best, religion and spirituality isn't harmful. That doesn't mean it's beneficial, usually, it's a small inconvenience or a waste of someones time. At worst it is a huge negative impact on society, completely pointless and unnecessary, usually ending in genocide or unjustified hate.[/QUOTE] A fake crutch, but a crutch at that.

Also number one reason why interpretation of the bible has changed. In the Middle Ages barely anyone could read the bible.

[QUOTE=The_Lizard_Xing;19514787]A fake crutch, but a crutch at that.[/QUOTE] Okay. So now it's completely pointless, as we do not need said crutch. It used to be useful, but is completely pointless now, and holds no water.

[QUOTE=The_Lizard_Xing;19514585]Then Scientists are idiots?[/QUOTE] Sorry, I used the word 'theory' wrong and I should have said hypothesis. But that's besides that point that there is no point to life. Life just happened for no reason what-so-ever. There was no magical invisible unprovable contradictory unintelligent being in the sky who made people and gave them a purpose.

Science uses the scientific method, Religion observes something, makes a hypothesis and says it correct.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;19514791]Also number one reason why interpretation of the bible has changed. In the Middle Ages barely anyone could read the bible.[/QUOTE] To add to that, in the Middle Ages they couldn't print bibles all that easily.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;19514802]Okay. So now it's completely pointless, as we do not need said crutch.[/QUOTE] Have fun telling billions of people that they cant believe what they want to believe.

[QUOTE=Incognito;19514835]Have fun telling billions of people that they cant believe what they want to believe.[/QUOTE] Have fun getting blow up by a fanatical suicide bomber because he believed in his fairy tales. Or, having gay marriage banned because someone in office, and everyone that voted, believes in their own fairy tales.

[QUOTE=Incognito;19514835]Have fun telling billions of people that they cant believe what they want to believe.[/QUOTE] It's going to take some time but we'll do it the same way religion spreads it's own message. Get to the children first.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;19514802]Okay. So now it's completely pointless, as we do not need said crutch. It used to be useful, but is completely pointless now, and holds no water.[/QUOTE] Well put, religion was for peasents to prevent them from breaking laws and such. But it is undeniable that religion hasn't had a poistive influence on morden-day society.