[QUOTE=Kilgannon;17126520]We all know the bible contradicts itself.[/QUOTE]
Great!
Now what about deism.
[QUOTE=gunvalk;17126328]
God created Satan, and Satan is sin. Therefore God created sin.
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[quote=Epicurus]"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"[/quote]
Fitting.
[QUOTE=KestasLT;17126548]There has to be something after death, darkness, nah.
I would just go insane, and probably die again.
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Well good news then. When you die, your consciousness and memories retroactively cease to exist. You won't be able to go crazy.
my avatar disagrees
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17126454]Oh, well then you're pretty dumb. A shame. There was promise in you.[/QUOTE]
I love you.
Uhh, first of all Satan, Lucifer and The Devil are different characters. They are never once referenced as the same.
Satan did not fall, Lucifer did.
I love how you say God must not exist because the bible is so contradictory, but then you reference the scientific method and say you "don't believe" in evolution.
Evolution isn't even a belief. You may as well say "I don't believe in science."
Why doesn't god heal amputees?
:iiam:
[QUOTE=KestasLT;17126548]There has to be something after death, darkness, nah.
I would just go insane, and probably die again.
[B]Since everything has a beggining,[/B] and nobody knows what the end looks like.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. Seeing as how we've never seen a single thing that exists that hasn't existed before in some form, and seeing as how the second law of thermodynamics states that matter cannot be created or destroyed, I would posit that things don't ever "begin", but simply change form.
Hahah some idiot is giving every atheist dumb
[QUOTE=gunvalk;17126502]lol. I have nothing against Christianity, or Evolution. All I will say about it is Evolution is still a scientific theory and not a scientific fact for a reason. It simply cannot be proven at this time. That being said, say hello to Mr. Hadron Collider. We'll see what the future holds.[/QUOTE]
1) Evolution can, and has been, proven at this time.
2) There is no such thing as a scientific fact. The theory of gravity is a theory, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
3) The Hadron Collider has nothing to do with evolution.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17126601]Uhh, first of all Satan, Lucifer and The Devil are different characters. They are never once referenced as the same.
Satan did not fall, Lucifer did.[/QUOTE]
Yes, Lucifer is the Christian "version" of the devil. This is a subject matter I'm actually prepared to argue in.
This is a good argument.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;17126585]Well good news then. When you die, your consciousness and memories retroactively cease to exist. You won't be able to go crazy.[/QUOTE]
I was sarcastic, saying that you can't even see DARKNESS when dead.
Since its just a side effect when of no light comes in contact with [b]your eyes[/b]
You must see (in a term) something else.
[QUOTE=KestasLT;17126579]Great!
Now what about deism.[/QUOTE]
Deism, otherwise known as making up explanations for things you know nothing about.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17126601]Uhh, first of all Satan, Lucifer and The Devil are different characters. They are never once referenced as the same.
Satan did not fall, Lucifer did.[/QUOTE]
Wait what do you mean?
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17126544]Actually yes it can, and has(by making the prediction of a phylogenetic tree, which has been thoroughly proven), and a scientific theory is a proven hypothesis, and you're still an idiot.[/QUOTE]
Please take a basic science class. It's call the Evolutionary Theory, not Evolutionary Law. Just like Newton's Third Law of Gravity is named as such because it is a fact, not a theory. And second, scientific theories are called theories because they can't be proven. Things that are proven in science are called scientific laws. Please know these basic science terms before name calling.
You're all going to die and see i was right about everything, get fucked
[QUOTE=KestasLT;17126548]There has to be something after death, darkness, nah.
I would just go insane, and probably die again.
Since everything has a beggining, and nobody knows what the end looks like.[/QUOTE]
Remember before you were born? That's what after death is like.
My opinion is that if you dwell on the exact wording of the bible and its conventions its flawed as is any religion, but If you think about it (open mindedly) god sent his messages through messiahs, then now 2000 years later we say religion is wrong because we take it as face value as if we the flawed humans got religion 100% right, and frankly in my opinion organized religion that makes every on follow the same beliefs is wrong just like if in science everyone shared the same beliefs we would get anywhere.
In my opinion god is an advanced organized energy (like the energy in your brain) that affects the universe in ways. In my opinion god set forth the laws of the universe that science studies and we just came out of it in some remote corner of the universe.
Because honestly to act or think like we are somehow the chosen species or something is arrogant considering the vastness of space.
[QUOTE=Negrul1;17126620]1) Evolution can, and has been, proven at this time.
2) There is no such thing as a scientific fact. The theory of gravity is a theory, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
3) The Hadron Collider has nothing to do with evolution.[/QUOTE]
Facts are self evident bits of knowledge, for example, organisms mutate.
The explanation of those facts is known as a theory.
[QUOTE=rathat48;17126647]Wait what do you mean?[/QUOTE]
The three characters are never referenced as one in the same.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;17126630]Yes, Lucifer is the Christian "version" of the devil. This is a subject matter I'm actually prepared to argue in.[/QUOTE]
Then argue it. What do you want permission or something?
Lucifer is never referenced as The Devil or Satan. Satan is never referenced as Lucifer or The Devil. Etc.
[QUOTE=gunvalk;17126328]This thread isn't to bash Christians or simply rant. This is my opinion on Christianity, which I have based purely on the facts that I have seen
in the Bible. I know the Bible inside and out because I attended church for 16 years and attended a private Christian school for 10 years.
[b]1. The Fall of Satan [/b]
First some background information for those of you who don't know the story. Lucifer (Satan) used to be an angel. However Satan wanted to be God,
not serve him. Once God found out that Satan wanted to dethrone him he cast Satan out of heaven into the lake of fire (Hell). There are 3 problems
with this. First the most significant problem: There is no sin in heaven. According to the Bible and Christian faith, heaven is a perfect and divine place
without sin, however Satan was able to sin in heaven thusly contradicting itself. The second problem is that according to the Bible God is all knowing.
This being said he would have known Satan would try to dethrone him way before the creation of Satan. Yet again contradicting itself. And lastly,
God created Satan, and Satan is sin. Therefore God created sin.
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I'm not christian, but I do go to a private catholic school. There is some fallacy in your logic though.
If you really did know your bible you would have realized that Satan's fall was his pride. And that angels are creatures of their own, some would even go as far as to say that they are God's personal messengers, (i.e. the angel Gabriel to Mary and Mohammad the prophet and various others)
And though there is no 'sin' in heaven, there is 'temptation' , i.e. the story of adam and eve and the tree of knowledge (the snake), and what satan did, was follow temptation, and become a sinner, God cast out satan because he sinned, etc. etc.
Your argument would have been more valid if you said, "there is no such thing as sin in heaven, yet God has brought wrath upon countless people, even though according to his inspired words violence is bad, proving contradictory".
But then i'd probably say something along the lines of "...there were two phases of God's personality, the old testament god, who was young and controlling, and the new testament god, who left everything to us.." and then go on from there. but whatever.
Also, yes, God created sin, what's more he created temptation to sin, according to beliefs he created everything, so? Sin makes up almost half of every single faith there is in the world today. without sin there wouldn't be need for correction of sin, therefore we would have no reason. and so on and so on.
also you haven't proved God doesn't exist, your arguments are attempting to prove that Christians are wrong and contradictiory...
Now if you WANTED to prove that God doesn't exist....
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17126645]Deism, otherwise known as making up explanations for things you know nothing about.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, i like to believe that the big bang was some superior beings action
go ahead, rate me box, i don't care.
[QUOTE=pie_is_good;17126657]Remember before you were born? That's what after death is like.[/QUOTE]
Why do people always say that? First of all, who the fuck remembers pre-birth? And how can you say that death will be like that?
God's a hypocritical faggot.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17126645]Religion, otherwise known as making up explanations for things you know nothing about.[/QUOTE]
Fixed
[QUOTE=Doriol;17126681]Why do people always say that? First of all, who the fuck remembers pre-birth? And how can you say that death will be like that?[/QUOTE]
No one remembers pre-birth. That's the point. Your brain doesn't work when you're dead. There's no thought and you have no conscience.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17126672]Then argue it. What do you want permission or something?
Lucifer is never referenced as The Devil or Satan. Satan is never referenced as Lucifer or The Devil. Etc.[/QUOTE]
It's a matter of interpretation. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer#The_Lucifer_story]I trust Wikipedia is fine in these terms, no?[/url]
Considering Lucifer as something other than Satan is a rather new theory, and these type of things tend to get skewed after hundreds of years.
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