[QUOTE=Doriol;17126681]Why do people always say that? First of all, who the fuck remembers pre-birth? And how can you say that death will be like that?[/QUOTE]
In both situations you couldn't think, so I guess that's why?
[QUOTE=KestasLT;17126636]I was sarcastic, saying that you can't even see DARKNESS when dead.
Since its just a side effect when of no light comes in contact with [b]your eyes[/b]
You must see (in a term) something else.[/QUOTE]
You don't see anything.
[QUOTE=gunvalk;17126651]Please take a basic science class. It's call the Evolutionary Theory, not Evolutionary Law. Just like Newton's Third Law of Gravity is named as such because it is a fact, not a theory. And second, scientific theories are called theories because they can't be proven. Things that are proven in science are called scientific laws. Please know these basic science terms before name calling.[/QUOTE]
Theories don't turn into laws. That's not what the word means. I suggest you take your own advice.
Oh really? So the theory of relativity is an unsupported hypothesis?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;17126702]It's a matter of interpretation. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer#The_Lucifer_story]I trust Wikipedia is fine in these terms, no?[/url]
Considering Lucifer as something other than Satan is a rather new theory, and these type of things tend to get skewed after hundreds of years.[/QUOTE]
I do not trust Wikipedia because Wikipedia is full of idiots.
Find a reference in Biblical Scripture that links the characters.
[QUOTE=Doriol;17126681]Why do people always say that? First of all, who the fuck remembers pre-birth? And how can you say that death will be like that?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, i don't understand, last time i checked, sperm was a living (in a way) thing.
[QUOTE=Rankzerox;17126617]Hahah some idiot is giving every atheist dumb[/QUOTE]
If everything fails, rate everyone dumb. Their arguments automatically become invalid when someone rates them a dumb and everyone will love you.
[QUOTE=k00lwhip;17126674]I'm not christian, but I do go to a private catholic school. There is some fallacy in your logic though.
If you really did know your bible you would have realized that Satan's fall was his pride. And that angels are creatures of their own, some would even go as far as to say that they are God's personal messengers, (i.e. the angel Gabriel to Mary and Mohammad the prophet and various others)
And though there is no 'sin' in heaven, there is 'temptation' , i.e. the story of adam and eve and the tree of knowledge (the snake), and what satan did, was follow temptation, and become a sinner, God cast out satan because he sinned, etc. etc.
Your argument would have been more valid if you said, "there is no such thing as sin in heaven, yet God has brought wrath upon countless people, even though according to his inspired words violence is bad, proving contradictory".
But then i'd probably say something along the lines of "...there were two phases of God's personality, the old testament god, who was young and controlling, and the new testament god, who left everything to us.." and then go on from there. but whatever.
Also, yes, God created sin, what's more he created temptation to sin, according to beliefs he created everything, so? Sin makes up almost half of every single faith there is in the world today. without sin there wouldn't be need for correction of sin, therefore we would have no reason. and so on and so on.
also you haven't proved God doesn't exist, your arguments are attempting to prove that Christians are wrong and contradictiory...
Now if you WANTED to prove that God doesn't exist....[/QUOTE]
There was no fallacy in what I said. In fact I agree with you. But his pride was that he thought himself higher than God, and wanted to in fact be him. Google the fall of Satan if you want.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;17126667]My opinion is that if you dwell on the exact wording of the bible and its conventions its flawed as is any religion, but If you think about it (open mindedly) god sent his messages through messiahs, then now 2000 years later we say religion is wrong because we take it as face value as if we the flawed humans got religion 100% right, and frankly in my opinion organized religion that makes every on follow the same beliefs is wrong just like if in science everyone shared the same beliefs we would get anywhere.
In my opinion god is an advanced organized energy (like the energy in your brain) that affects the universe in ways. In my opinion god set forth the laws of the universe that science studies and we just came out of it in some remote corner of the universe.
Because honestly to act or think like we are somehow the chosen species or something is arrogant considering the vastness of space.[/QUOTE]
New rule, only people who can spell can present an argument.
FYI, everyone:
Scientific theory is the highest form of empirical fact. Once something is theory it has been observed and proven to occur. Theories are left open to evolution or revolution in case new data changes the way we see a phenomenon.
Theory does not mean guess in a scientific setting.
[QUOTE=KestasLT;17126722]Yeah, i don't understand, last time i checked, sperm was a living (in a way) thing.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't aware sperm could think.
Firstly, I accidentally rated you something, Billiam. Sorry.
Secondly, even though you've stated you aren't Ranting, somebody IS going to take it poorly and flip the fuck out. Somebody always does.
Thirdly, Part Four is EVER SO SLIGHTLY contradictory. Lots of people have had Near-Death Experiences and then went on to talk about how they "SAW JEEZUS". Not arguing, though.
[QUOTE=pie_is_good;17126725]If everything fails, rate everyone dumb. Their arguments automatically become invalid when someone rates them a dumb and everyone will love you.[/QUOTE]
They are giving EVERYONE dumb
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[QUOTE=Billiam;17126729]I wasn't aware sperm could think.[/QUOTE]
It couldn't but it doesen't mean that it was dead.
It had to think were it was going (either way i guess it was just instincts) but it still was alive.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17126728]FYI, everyone:
Scientific theory is the highest form of empirical fact. Once something is theory it has been observed and proven to occur. Theories are left open to evolution or revolution in case new data changes the way we see a phenomenon.[/QUOTE]
Isn't this taught in 5th grade or so?
[QUOTE=KestasLT;17126734]
It couldn't but it doesen't mean that it was dead.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but in both pre-birth and death you cannot think, that's why everyone references death like that.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17126728]FYI, everyone:
Scientific theory is the highest form of empirical fact. Once something is theory it has been observed and proven to occur. Theories are left open to evolution or revolution in case new data changes the way we see a phenomenon.[/QUOTE]
They can still be wrong. That's the beauty of science over religion; if something was regarded as fact, but some new evidence comes along to prove it wrong then it gets proved wrong simple as.
[QUOTE=KestasLT;17126722]Yeah, i don't understand, last time i checked, sperm was a living (in a way) thing.[/QUOTE]
But it wasn't you, it had no mind. Your mind is you.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17126716]I do not trust Wikipedia because Wikipedia is full of idiots.
Find a reference in Biblical Scripture that links the characters.[/QUOTE]
Wikipedia cites its sources. [url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation%2012:7-12:10&version=KJ21]This[/url] and [url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2010:18-10:18&version=KJ21]this[/url]. Especially the latter:
[quote]And He said unto them, "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.[/quote]
[QUOTE=KestasLT;17126722]Yeah, i don't understand, last time i checked, sperm was a living (in a way) thing.[/QUOTE]
But the sperm cell was no more you than your dad's skin cell.
[QUOTE=Negrul1;17126757]They can still be wrong. That's the beauty of science over religion; if something was regarded as fact, but some new evidence comes along to prove it wrong then it gets proved wrong simple as.[/QUOTE]
But until contradictory evidence arises a scientific theory is as close to fact as possible.
[QUOTE=Billiam;17126745]Isn't this taught in 5th grade or so?[/QUOTE]
If so, devout Christians think on a 4th grade level.
[QUOTE=Billiam;17126745]Isn't this taught in 5th grade or so?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
Facepunch is fucking stupid.
[QUOTE=Billiam;17126755]Yes, but in both pre-birth and death you cannot think, that's why everyone references death like that.[/QUOTE]
You couldn't think but you were in fact, alive.
You still had your brain functioning and developing.
If it wouldn't function, the whole body wouldn't develope.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17126728]FYI, everyone:
Scientific theory is the highest form of empirical fact. Once something is theory it has been observed and proven to occur. Theories are left open to evolution or revolution in case new data changes the way we see a phenomenon.
Theory does not mean guess in a scientific setting.[/QUOTE]
[b]scientific theory (a theory that explains scientific observations) "scientific theories must be falsifiable"[/b]
Pulled this shit from the dictionary. Scientific theories are left as such because although formed through testing via the Scientific Method, are still falsifiable.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;17126768]Wikipedia cites its sources. [url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation%2012:7-12:10&version=KJ21]This[/url] and [url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2010:18-10:18&version=KJ21]this[/url]. Especially the latter:[/QUOTE]
Uhh, that's only like a dozen words.
That proves nothing. There is no context.
[QUOTE=KestasLT;17126791]You couldn't think but you were in fact, alive.
You still had your brain functioning and developing.
If it wouldn't function, the whole body wouldn't develope.[/QUOTE]
yes, but there was no "you" at that point
and sperm doesn't have brains
unless you mean a fetus, which is as dumb as fuck
[QUOTE=gunvalk;17126802][b]scientific theory (a theory that explains scientific observations) "scientific theories must be falsifiable"[/b]
Pulled this shit from the dictionary. Scientific theories are left as such because although formed through testing via the Scientific Method, are still falsifiable.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't mean they are wrong, that means they can be wrong.
They are NOT wrong until proven as such.
[QUOTE=KestasLT;17126791]You couldn't think but you were in fact, alive.
You still had your brain functioning and developing.
If it wouldn't function, the whole body wouldn't develope.[/QUOTE]
:ughh:
Um, wrong section.
There IS an atheist forum.
Oh God fucking damnit, I just saw who's posting above me.
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