Discrimination against Mexican Immigrants - General

[QUOTE=Dolton;24228723]If they were Illegal Canadians they'd be getting the same shitstorm. [/QUOTE] That's not true, you know it [QUOTE=MrAfroShark70;24228736]I don't mind illegal immigrants but is it really that hard to fill out a couple of fucking forums to become a legal immigrant?[/QUOTE] Yes, it takes years or decades if there's even a legal route available.

[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24228897]Yeah, that's a pretty bullshit reason to hate on Mexicans. "BAWWW, they're making me more educated, that's SO UNAMERICAN"[/QUOTE] hurr durr lets speak spanish in an english country durr

[QUOTE=Pascall;24228908]I have a couple of friends who are illegals and while I do love them dearly, they really need to enter the country legally. Of course you can't blame them for wanting a better life. The majority of illegals simply come to America because Mexico is an absolute SHITHOLE right now. ESPECIALLY around the border. But legal immigrants? No one is discriminating against them. Or at least I hope not due to the fact that would be considered bigotry because there's no real reason to dislike them.[/QUOTE] First of all; illegally coming in for a better life is along the lines of counter production. They're looking at a cheap, corrosive entry way. This is hurting our productivity, because they are unaccounted for in the country. For them to land a decent job, they must steal someones identity so they can get hired. Employers knowingly hiring illegal immigrants get in some deep shit for that. Second of all, if they wanted to enter in LEGALLY they need to contact the american embassy, and file for a visa, or for residency. This can take a while, but when you come in, you're accounted for. You don't have to steal identities, so you're not attacking the citizens already here. You're also taxed, so you're not putting a hole on our welfare services, for people who are citizens already. Thirdly, I am for them learning English. But that doesn't mean I can't learn their language. This allows proper communication between both groups. Also makes us more educated, and more of a open country. Shunning people out for their spoken language is silly. And if you're so unintelligent to exclaim "ENGLISH IS THE NATIONAL LANGUAGE", I suggest you revising yourself and American history. There is no national, dedicated language for this country. Absolutely none. At first, it was a match between German and English. Both sides decided it would be best, that we spoke the language we all wanted to. As it is freedom, freedom of speech. Freedom to do what you want to do (but aware of consequences of law and moral). [editline]12:15AM[/editline] [QUOTE=laval;24228950]Yes, it takes years or decades if there's even a legal route available.[/QUOTE] Not decades.. but it can be years. It'll be up for the American government to reject, or accept your forms. They don't want that process, so they come illegally. [editline]12:18AM[/editline] [QUOTE=xxncxx;24229023]hurr durr lets speak spanish in an english country durr[/QUOTE] Read my third point if you're going to be that stupid.

I find the problem being the result of several things but I will group all nationalities together for my comments. First of all, there are more Mexican illegal immigrants than every other nationality combined. But I will get to why people hate Mexicans immigrants specifically later. The main reason people do not like illegal immigrants is because they do not abide by quite a few laws while they are here. They do not abide by minimum wages, which technically does infact take jobs away from American citizens who work for minimum wage. They also buy, sell, and drive cars illegally. Illegal immigrants cannot get their drivers license, they cannot register or license and title the vehicle. They do not take proper driving classes. They do not pay for insurance, and when in an accident flee due to risk of deportation and fines. (People have to pay for their own damages and hospital bills because of this) They do not pay taxes, on anything. Essentially living in the country for free unlike the rest of us. This includes income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, all the while benefiting from what those taxes pay for. Which in all actuality is theft from both the government and tax payers. Many do not even make an attempt at obtaining citizenship even after having been in the country for several years. Now as far as Mexican immigrants themselves. It is again, mostly because there are more illegal immigrants from Mexico than every other country combined. Also, many people hate Mexicans in general because of racism, and the fact that there are more U.S. companies moving production plants, and offices to Mexico than any other country. India has no comparison, contrary to popular belief. But there are also many stereotypes behind it. I am neither trying to be offensive nor racist. Simply stating the facts.

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[QUOTE=EagleEye;24228167]They don't pay taxes like the rest of us. That is a problem. They need to come here legally. The problem with that is that our system takes so long, they just come here illegally. Can I blame them? No. But they need to be paying taxes like the rest of us. Oh I thought you were talking about illegal mexicans. I don't have a problem with legal immigrants of any kind.[/QUOTE] The thread is about mexican immigrants not illegal aliens I find it suspect that you equate mexican immigrants with illegals

Hmm. *reads first post again* Ah. Raneman, I believe you are misinformed. We don't discriminate against Mexican immigrants. No, we discriminate against people who break our laws. It's why we have police, prisons, and Juvi. When a Mexican crosses the border in a way like jumping your neighbor's fence, the Mexican then becomes classified as an Illegal or Criminal and for some reason get more privileges then the Legal US citizen. Why else would the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement not do their Jobs? If they don't want to do their Jobs, why keep them around? I know someone is going to break out that flow chart for becoming a US citizen, but how long would it take to become a citizen of Mexico? Japan? China? PS. If you really support the Criminal immigrants, then (if you drive) go without your license. If you support them, why not go as documented as them?

[QUOTE=Neinman;24228659]They be taking jobs from families that have been in america for generations. also they won't learn the language.[/QUOTE] If they're willing to work harder for less money they deserve their jobs more than you do. You think they don't have families to support too? And what ever happened to free enterprise? I thought that was what America was all about. But now we have bullshit laws making it incredibly difficult for Hispanics to become naturalized citizens, all because you people are afraid of a little competition.

So why are they lacking jobs back in Mexico?

[QUOTE=Glaber;24229295]So why are they lacking jobs back in Mexico?[/QUOTE] I don't think its the jobs mr smarty pants. Do you keep up with world affairs? Mexico is heavily corrupted by cartels.

I know that. You ever hear of satire?

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;24229040]First of all; illegally coming in for a better life is along the lines of counter production. They're looking at a cheap, corrosive entry way. This is hurting our productivity, because they are unaccounted for in the country. For them to land a decent job, they must steal someones identity so they can get hired. Employers knowingly hiring illegal immigrants get in some deep shit for that.[/quote] I am aware. But most of the uneducated immigrants who come to America don't realize this.

[QUOTE=Glaber;24229363]I know that. You ever hear of satire?[/QUOTE] How was that satire? [editline]12:32AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Pascall;24229409]I am aware. But most of the uneducated immigrants who come to America don't realize this.[/QUOTE] Then they all protest and make this mess bigger. Their kids should atleast tell them, that there is a correct process.

[QUOTE=Glaber;24229363]I know that. You ever hear of satire?[/QUOTE] So does that mean you retract your previous statements?

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;24228216]They can be counter productive. They steal social security numbers/identities. Certain groups band together, create notorious gangs and slaughter unnecessary people. those certain groups in turn also promote drug smuggling. they use illegal immigrant traffic for their own capital.. sometimes charging and forcing them to pay thousands of dollars to come to this country.[/QUOTE] Everything you just said could just as equally apply to white people, probably even moreso.

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;24229488]Everything you just said could just as equally apply to white people, probably even moreso.[/QUOTE] Duh, it does. It applies to everyone who illegally came here. I come off of a line of immigrants that had to go through the proper process of immigration. Even then, illegal immigrants who came in didn't have any welfare services. Therefor, not a tax leach. Racism and xenophobia was large at the time. If they sensed you were Irish, legal or illegal, they could discriminate. This is harder now, because at that time, they didn't have to steal an identity to be in here. And yes, they ALL created gangs and mafia's. Its a banding for protection and power.

[QUOTE=Raneman;24228094]Why do we discriminate against Mexican immigrants? They work, they want their kids to get a good education, they work, and they have a beautiful culture, and did I mention they work? Mexicans do a lot more for society then the people who don't like them; they want to fit in and be productive, and yet we portray them as scumbag leechers. Why is this?[/QUOTE] There's the first generation, and then the second generation immigrants. First immigration is what you're talking about. Second generation are much more American, and many times douchier. see quoted post above

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;24229412]How was that satire? [editline]12:32AM[/editline] Then they all protest and make this mess bigger. Their kids should atleast tell them, that there is a correct process.[/QUOTE] What some people might not understand though, is that Mexicans can be EXTREMELY resitant to education or doing things in a different method than one they assume is the best. As dumb as it is, if they are told by other mexicans that jumping the border is the quickest and easiest way to America and to a better life, they'll do it and ignore the LEGAL alternative, which is to go through the extremely long process of obtaining citizenship. I don't like to admit it, but that's how it is in mexican families. Hell, the parents don't even want to learn how to work a DVD player, let alone how to properly obtain citizenship.

Hey, without them we wouldn't be able to buy produce for as low as it is.

[QUOTE=Pascall;24229598]What some people might not understand though, is that Mexicans can be EXTREMELY resitant to education or doing things in a different method than one they assume is the best. As dumb as it is, if they are told by other mexicans that jumping the border is the quickest and easiest way to America and to a better life, they'll do it and ignore the LEGAL alternative, which is to go through the extremely long process of obtaining citizenship. I don't like to admit it, but that's how it is in mexican families. Hell, the parents don't even want to learn how to work a DVD player, let alone how to properly obtain citizenship.[/QUOTE] It should be pubically voiced, and noticed. They are illinformed on the entire subject, and need the education and knowledge on how to become an American legally. Otherwise, I am for them to be deported. Not jailed, just deported. Let them spread the word, on how to become an American.

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;24229538]Duh, it does. It applies to everyone who illegally came here. I come off of a line of immigrants that had to go through the proper process of immigration. Even then, illegal immigrants who came in didn't have any welfare services. Therefor, not a tax leach. Racism and xenophobia was large at the time. If they sensed you were Irish, legal or illegal, they could discriminate. This is harder now, because at that time, they didn't have to steal an identity to be in here. And yes, they ALL created gangs and mafia's. Its a banding for protection and power.[/QUOTE] So now you're saying illegals don't pay taxes, which is a pure myth. What side are you on anyways?

I hate everybody. /"discrimination"

Since it hasn't been posted yet, [IMG]http://i38.tinypic.com/2e0vl6v.jpg[/IMG] FYI.

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;24229638]So now you're saying illegals don't pay taxes, which is a pure myth. What side are you on anyways?[/QUOTE] I was referring to early 20th century. Sorry I did not make that noticed. What side am I on? Doing it the right way. I don't care what country you're coming from. But atleast do it right. yeah taxes suck, but we all get taxed. And the process is timely and can be expensive.. but you can have a better life with a process done right. Like higher paying jobs, whoa! No, it's not a myth they don't pay taxes. I have plenty of folks in accounting who will vouche on how many notices they receive from the IRS regarding them needing to take a percentage of their wages for unpaid tax. And them making minimal wage, they normally just run.

Man, Mexicans give us South Americans a bad name.

that is incredibly informative, damagepoint

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;24229690]I was referring to early 20th century. Sorry I did not make that noticed. What side am I on? Doing it the right way. I don't care what country you're coming from. But atleast do it right. yeah taxes suck, but we all get taxed. And the process is timely and can be expensive.. but you can have a better life with a process done right. Like higher paying jobs, whoa! No, it's not a myth they don't pay taxes. I have plenty of folks in accounting who will vouche on how many notices they receive from the IRS regarding them needing to take a percentage of their wages for unpaid tax. And them making minimal wage, they normally just run.[/QUOTE] Ahh, well if you're talking about income taxes that's different. They still pay tax on milk from the grocery store and on gasoline. I can understand why people are upset at them for the way they entered the country, but what we need now is a revamped guest worker program so they can actually pay their income taxes and that way the only people still entering the country illegally are the terrorists/drug smugglers.

[QUOTE=Melkor;24229431]So does that mean you retract your previous statements?[/QUOTE] If you mean the one about the jobs in Mexico, then yes. I don't think all that well when angered. But I do stand by my first post in this topic. We have Laws that must be followed. Right or wrong, anyone who breaks the law must be punished. Even if it means being sent back to a place worse then where you were caught. Right now a majority of Criminal Immigrants, or Illegal Democrats as a certain Talk show host calls them, are of a minority. Plus the current party in power is doing next to nothing. Plus, we got a Lazy president. (How many vacations has he taken so far?) [QUOTE=DamagePoint;24229685]Since it hasn't been posted yet, The citizen flow chart FYI.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, the Illegal Immigrants seem to be counting on amnesty happening. We learned from Regan's mistake that it doesn't work and it only encourages this mess to grow.

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;24229749]Ahh, well if you're talking about income taxes that's different. They still pay tax on milk from the grocery store and on gasoline. I can understand why people are upset at them for the way they entered the country, but what we need now is a revamped guest worker program so they can actually pay their income taxes and that way the only people still entering the country illegally are the terrorists/drug smugglers.[/QUOTE] I do think the immigration program needs restructuring. Firstly, your chart.. is not completely true.. but has and been done. Ill rate it with maybe 40-60% of the cases. It is high, but our immigration is rather high as well. But right now, we are in a recession. What really needs the addressing is pulling back our manufacturing sector. This will supply thousands of jobs back to the American people. The Mexican people are already rather skilled in manufacturing and agriculture. [editline]01:06AM[/editline] And in regards to income tax.. we must all pay it. Infact, our income tax pays for alot of the federal programs like social security and medicare. There is no NO federal sales tax. We do have taxes on "luxury" items, highway taxes (which is apart of the petrol tax) and tax on other items as well. However, income is the largest.

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;24229940]But right now, we are in a recession. What really needs the addressing is pulling back our manufacturing sector. This will supply thousands of jobs back to the American people. The Mexican people are already rather skilled in manufacturing and agriculture.[/QUOTE] Can't say I disagree with you there. I don't know how you could feasibly do that though, except through a series of tax cuts. [editline]02:13AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Richard Simmons;24229940]And in regards to income tax.. we must all pay it. Infact, our income tax pays for alot of the federal programs like social security and medicare. There is no NO federal sales tax. We do have taxes on "luxury" items, highway taxes (which is apart of the petrol tax) and tax on other items as well. However, income is the largest.[/QUOTE] Totally. However there's never going to be an end to illegal immigration unless you build a Berlin Wall around the border. Which I'm pretty sure we don't want. If it were easier for them to get papers, though, and it would possible for them to pay income taxes, well you see my point. I know a lot of people say we should say no to amnesty and kick them out, but the truth is they make up a large portion of the workforce and do a lot of jobs Americans don't want to do (like picking cantaloupes), so why not embrace it and make it so they [i]can[/i] pay their taxes?