[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34705959]Suicide is dumb and I have never heard of a case of depression that was untreatable.[/QUOTE]
You should read more. I've heard of lots of cases where people feel even worse after (or perhaps because of) years of therapy and being pumped with medication.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34705959]Suicide is dumb and I have never heard of a case of depression that was untreatable.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, well that says nothing. Treating suicide isn't like treating a physical disease anyway, and it can take a long, long time.
As for assisted suicide/euthanasia: Should probably be performed with the patients explicit permission, or if braindead after ~3 months.
If it is over emotional reasons, you never use a permanent solution for a temporary problem.
being selfish isnt necessarily a bad thing
Isn't it also selfish to force someone to continue with their depressing lives just so [I]you[/I] don't have to "feel bad"? Completely neglecting what the person might feel.
Do you think this is a game
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;34711971]Isn't it also selfish to force someone to continue with their depressing lives just so [I]you[/I] don't have to "feel bad"? Completely neglecting what the person might feel.[/QUOTE]
This is a good point that I haven't thought about before
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;34711971]Isn't it also selfish to force someone to continue with their depressing lives just so [I]you[/I] don't have to "feel bad"? Completely neglecting what the person might feel.[/QUOTE]
Clever.
Suicide is for those weak with mind.
[QUOTE=maxumym;34715054]Suicide is for those weak with mind.[/QUOTE]
I'll keep that in mind.
Would it be out of line for me to assume you've never experienced a deep depression?
[QUOTE=maxumym;34715054]Suicide is for those weak with mind.[/QUOTE]
Great contribution to the discussion. Unless you feel like explaining why you think this a bit more, this is a very pointless post.
Unless you are religious, you should think about suicide as a permissible thing. Our lives belong to us after all.
[QUOTE=matsta;34840851]Unless you are religious, you should think about suicide as a permissible thing. Our lives belong to us after all.[/QUOTE]
Its interesting, but sad that some want to kill themselves :/
[QUOTE=userman122;34860661]Its interesting, but sad that some want to kill themselves :/[/QUOTE]
It's a part of life, however.
It is sad.
I think suicide/assisted suicide should be legal. You should be able to use your bodies as you wish. However, I also think that no matter how big your life problems are, suicide is never the correct solution.
I think suicide should be legal to those whom have a physical condition that makes their lives into complete crap.
Such as somebody being quadroplegic.
But suicide should not be legally permitted to someone who for mentally unstable.
"The more you push a man, the more determined he gets."
It's an old quote my father used to tell me...
You can't stop or help a suicidal person, he will keep trying and trying.. No matter what.
I disagree with the whole parents being selfish routine, because if your parents or anyone cares about you, then you have no reason to die unless you're in some sort of pain. Most teenagers who say they want to kill themselves are usually, I say usually because there is ALWAYS an exception, because they are just whiney weak children who can't "handle" school or cleaning their room etc...
suicide is selfish unless you talk to the people who are close to you about it first.
if you're comfortable openly discussing the idea of suicide with your loved ones, then I think you're mature enough to handle that decision (and in that sort of situation you're probably not just depressed, you're most likely also in some sort of physical pain)
otherwise if you just commit suicide out of your own accord without trying to get help or talk to someone, I think it's incredibly selfish
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;34704052]A common saying follows that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
But I think it more often is a solution to a permanent problem. It's sad what life can throw at you, and it's sad that people have to struggle with it when there's no end in sight.[/QUOTE]
There is no such thing as a permanent problem. Every obstacle can be crossed.
Suicide's kind of a stupid option, if they're living with a reasonable enough quality of life... I guess quality of life is different to a lot of people but as long as there's food on the table, a roof over your head, safety and security. I see why people get driven to the brink of it with all the stupid shit that goes on in the day-to-day, but it's much greater to yourself and to those around you (friends, family) to just stick with it and see your own life through. As for assisted suicide, medically... That all depends really. If there are treatments available that can keep the pain away while prolonging their life, that'd be the best course of action, but if they'll keep hurting as long as they keep living, maybe it would be a good idea to ease that pain somehow.
[QUOTE=manian112;34877177]"The more you push a man, the more determined he gets."
It's an old quote my father used to tell me...
You can't stop or help a suicidal person, he will keep trying and trying.. No matter what.[/QUOTE]
I disagree, a person will not be suicidal for ever. You can keep him from committing suicide and eventually they will be through that period.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;34894909]I disagree, a person will not be suicidal for ever. You can keep him from committing suicide and eventually they will be through that period.[/QUOTE]
For anything to change the person has to alter their behavior/environment/other variables in some fashion. Time is not a healer.
[QUOTE=Sjokoladeplate;34896120]For anything to change the person has to alter their behavior/environment/other variables in some fashion. Time is not a healer.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but with time life patterns usually change.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;34896359]Yeah, but with time life patterns usually change.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily for the better. To make things better you need to make an effort. Which isn't always as easy.
[QUOTE=Sjokoladeplate;34896397]Not necessarily for the better. To make things better you need to make an effort. Which isn't always as easy.[/QUOTE]
Which is why you gotta help the people in question, that was what I was arguing for.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;34896521]Which is why you gotta help the people in question, that was what I was arguing for.[/QUOTE]
The way you phrased it implied that you meant something along the lines of "oh, just keep them drinking the antifreeze and they'll snap out of it."
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;34879516]There is no such thing as a permanent problem. Every obstacle can be crossed.[/QUOTE]
What if the trip to any solution takes longer than a life time?
And what if you have a million problems? You know, life [I]itself[/I] is what's screwing you.
[QUOTE=dunkdude3;34880868]Suicide's kind of a stupid option, if they're living with a reasonable enough quality of life... [B]I guess quality of life is different to a lot of people[/B] but as long as there's food on the table, a roof over your head, safety and security.[/QUOTE]
Bingo. It's stupid to judge others just because they might have - what to you is a "reasonable life" - despite knowing absolutely nothing about that person.
I'm sure that to a lot of us, life is more than just being a drone.
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[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;34879337]suicide is selfish unless you talk to the people who are close to you about it first.[/QUOTE]
- Hey Mom & Dad, I wanna kill myself.
- No don't be stupid. We will get sad. What about [I]our[/I] feelings!? Don't you have any empathy??
- Oh I didn't realize you felt that way, but please don't - because I really don't want to live anymore.
- Ok. I guess we'll get over it in time. You do what you must do.
- Bye!
Because this makes a lot of sense.
I have tried suicide once and almost did it again. The first time I failed due to using a inefficient method (tied plastic bag over head). The time I contemplated it was with a knife to my throat. That being said I say suicide should remain illegal. There should be harsh penalties given to there parents.
Why? Because one of the main reasons I didn't try a second time was because I learned about the things that would happen to my mother. Not just emotionally but financially. Her life would have been completely ruined in every way.
It actually made me not want to break the law. To put it simply.
Suicide isn't an option I would take seeing as you don't recover from being dead very well, but some people believe that it is the only option they have left. I can't decide what people do with their body and if you wish to take that path then you're free to die. I don't see how it is in any way selfish for someone to commit suicide. It's much more selfish to stop someone because of your own feelings.
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