Why should there be a problem about homosexuals? I don't feel offended by them. Heck, I even know people who are actually homosexual and they're fine and nice people. Helpful, optimistic - well, most of them. As long as no one decides to touch my more private parts I don't feel like freaking out just because a guy kisses a guy (Or a woman another woman) or does this whole relationship-stuff you see every day on the street. They are just the way they are. Why bother?
[QUOTE=Vasili;34581236]Plenty of straight males say shit like that, especially the bro types - its men being men. I don't recall the last time a straight male has been called a whore saying similar things, usually get a high five or approval for being the alpha male. Its only the women who usually are called slut/whore because its deemed culturally unacceptable.
The main concern male homophobics have is they are afraid that gay men will come onto them. Maybe if more gay men did that they'd understand how females feel when men do it to them.[/QUOTE]
Genetically superior , bro.
[video=youtube;gEIk8Gb820M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEIk8Gb820M[/video]
I don't have anything against gay people. I used to think that they were disgusting people, but I was a child and now have matured and know that they are normal humans like me. They just have a different sexual preference - which is completely fine.
Your personal preferences regarding what you think is disgusting and not is irrelevant.
What if a gay person turned the argument around on you and said *he hated seeing straight couples kiss in public. Would you take it seriously?
I don't see why people even need to have an opinion on homosexuality. A person's sexuality doesn't define them.
Homophobia angers me more than most things, because I've seen it's effects on some of my closest friends. I mentioned my friend Ben in the last version of this thread, the ultra-camp, living stereotype of a gay man (one seriously awesome guy, by the way). I was talking to him this weekend and he told me that him and his boyfriend are moving to the opposite side of the city, because they've been made to feel uncomfortable where they are. I now understand why gay pride parades are organised, I was so fucking angry I was about to organise one down his street! I'm glad he's only going a few miles away, but why the fuck should he feel he has to?
By the way, I don't live in some UK equivalent of the bible-belt, full of god-fearing conservatives, but two men living together is JUST NOT RIGHT!
I've also got a small group of friends that I see occasionally, who I've known since we were all about 5 years old. We went through school together and managed to keep in touch since then. A few years back, two of them not only came out as being gay but also told us that they'd been in a secret relationship together for nearly a year. They'd known they were gay for years, but up until then, they didn't feel they could tell the rest of us (a group of friends they had known for nearly 15 years). I don't know how they managed to keep it a secret, but again, WHY? Why did they feel they had to sneak around behind our backs? I don't know how bad they must have felt about themselves, to not be able to trust us with it.
The worst thing for me, was when I realised that it was our fault. Up until then, we'd all used words like gay or homo as mild derogatory terms. Although I'd never consider any of us homophobes, we definitely gave the impression that we considered gays weird, or just something to be laughed at. And so for about 3 years, these two guys just sat there listening to us insulting them. The fact that we didn't know they were gay doesn't really cut it as an excuse, seeing as it was our insensitivity that stopped them confiding in us. I'm really having difficulty writing this, even though this all happened years ago. It's hard for me to come to terms with the fact that I unintentionally tortured two of my best friends emotionally, over a period of several years.
I've heard people say things like "I'm not gay, so [insert homophobic bullshit here] doesn't affect me". I want to strangle people like this.
I'm not gay, but I've got 4 gay friends (that I know of) and they've all been badly affected by our society's pervasive homophobia and one has even been physically attacked. Even if I was to look at it in a very selfish way, I could say that when my good friends are hurt, it hurts me too.
I don't think anybody should decide what people are allowed to do based on something as arbitrary as they're sexuality.
Couldn't get my Scoooby account for whatever reason.
But hollerrrr.
[QUOTE=The First 11'er;34580019]Here is a prime example of this:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/oGTw7.png[/IMG]
Yes, I get it; you can be openly gay, there's nothing wrong with that, but when you post about humping a dude and fucking all the time it's taking it too far. Straight people are shunned and called whores and such when they do that.[/QUOTE]
Any time a picture of a girl is posted on the internet you're within 5 minutes of posts like "wow I want to fuck her!" or "nice tits can I put my face in them???"
So don't give us bollocks about how straight people are shunned for being open about their sexuality because that's a blatant lie.
[QUOTE=The First 11'er;34580019]Here is a prime example of this:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/oGTw7.png[/IMG]
Yes, I get it; you can be openly gay, there's nothing wrong with that, but when you post about humping a dude and fucking all the time it's taking it too far. Straight people are shunned and called whores and such when they do that.[/QUOTE]
Would a gay person having an animated avatar of some guy's junk barely covered by say, a jockstrap or something, also be too far? Because the same could be said about your avatar of that girl with giant tits and barely anything covering them.
It annoys me when people classify gays as being sexual deviants because some gay dude said something sexual. That gay person is probably just a horny bastard. I've seen straight men countless times say shit like, "OH MAN I'D FUCK THE SHIT OUT OF HER," or comment about her tits when its irrelevant. And yet, no one says anything because that's apparently a norm?
Just pisses me off how if I say something in regards to a male's body or wanting to get my fuck on, I'm a sexual deviant. But when a guy does the same thing about a girl, everyone agrees and pats his back and are all, "You da man, bro!" I've never heard of straight people being shunned for doing this. Seems more like, at the lowest, they are just not acknowledged.
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;34579863]Genes, hormones, choice, etc.
God, does it even matter...?[/QUOTE]
“The scientific knowledge currently available does bolster the idea that gays and lesbians are distinct ‘kinds’ of people who are entitled to protection from discrimination. But I also believe that there would be plenty of reasons why gay people should be accepted and valued by society, even if being gay were proven to be an outright choice.”
Great quote by Simon LeVay, who proved that homosexuality has a relationship with the structure of the brain.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;34583499]So it has nothing to do with being gay and everything to do with trolling. Great. Why bring it up then? I could say I'm fine with homosexuals until they kill people, or rob someone, or rape, or any number of things.[/QUOTE]
Because the entire point was about over doing it. The person could very well not be trolling but making everything about your sexuality be it straight, bisexual, lesbo or w/e is utterly retarded. Noone gives a fuck on a video game forum least of all. I think all who over do it are an embarassment to other gays.
[QUOTE=The First 11'er;34580019]Here is a prime example of this:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/oGTw7.png[/IMG]
Yes, I get it; you can be openly gay, there's nothing wrong with that, but when you post about humping a dude and fucking all the time it's taking it too far. [b]Straight people are shunned and called whores and such when they do that.[/b][/QUOTE]
Let me put it this way.
Gay, straight, or bi, you have no reason to shun someone for how much sex they have or how much they advertise it. Sex is normal, and some people are simply more comfortable letting others know how much they are into it than others.
[editline]8th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Hellstrom;34595053]Because the entire point was about over doing it. The person could very well not be trolling but making everything about your sexuality be it straight, bisexual, lesbo or w/e is utterly retarded. Noone gives a fuck on a video game forum least of all. I think all who over do it are an embarassment to other gays.[/QUOTE]
Everyone always seems to bring this when they topic of the gays comes up again
"I love gay people, as long as they don't try to shove it in my face."
Which really is a clever way of putting, "I have reservations about gay people so I include pointless caveats in my world view to rationalize said reservations!"
The fact of the matter is hun, gay people are going to exist, gay people are going to be different than you in some ways, and your just going to have to deal with it. We're not making an attack on your sexuality, we're just being comfortable and up-front with ours.
Hey, I don't mind gay people, but if they shove it in my face I have a problem with them.
Just like how I don't mind straight people unless they shove their like for each other in my face too.
I don't see a problem with some gay people. They can be as flaming as they come and have a good personality, and I will accept them. The problem with most gay people is that they take shit way too seriously. If you even say a sentence with the word "gay" in it, expect to be flamed (haha, get it?). I also dislike the gays that literally strut about with a chihuahua on a pink leash wearing yoga pants and a half-open t-shirt. If you're going to be openly gay, don't get pissed off on the occasion someone says a "derogatory" statement. Obviously, a person wants to attempt to not say anything "derogatory" to a gay person. It's kind of hard to do when you've been hearing "that's gay" for a good portion of your life.
Conclusion: Most gay people take shit too seriously and that is what ultimately makes me dislike the majority of them.
[QUOTE=deaded38;34598059]I don't see a problem with some gay people. They can be as flaming as they come and have a good personality, and I will accept them. The problem with most gay people is that they take shit way too seriously. If you even say a sentence with the word "gay" in it, expect to be flamed (haha, get it?). I also dislike the gays that literally strut about with a chihuahua on a pink leash wearing yoga pants and a half-open t-shirt. If you're going to be openly gay, don't get pissed off on the occasion someone says a "derogatory" statement. Obviously, a person wants to attempt to not say anything "derogatory" to a gay person. It's kind of hard to do when you've been hearing "that's gay" for a good portion of your life.
Conclusion: Most gay people take shit too seriously and that is what ultimately makes me dislike the majority of them.[/QUOTE]
You know, I'm going to make a tiny wager that you actually have quite a big problem with gay people. You halfheartedly mention that you'll accept gay people "as flaming as they come", and then, in order, (1) act as if gay people don't have a legitimate reason to be offended when you toss around loaded language, (2) contradict your supposed acceptance of all gay people, (3) act as if gay people owe you something for being out, and (4) contradict yourself again and say you dislike most gays.
Sweetheart, I'd quite prefer you not dance around the subject and stop dressing up the opinions you know will land you in hot water.
[QUOTE=Zedicus Mann;34597749]Hey, I don't mind gay people, but if they shove it in my face I have a problem with them.
Just like how I don't mind straight people unless they shove their like for each other in my face too.[/QUOTE]
Please tell me this wasn't already in his post when you posted:
[QUOTE=BagMinge104;34597251]Everyone always seems to bring this when they topic of the gays comes up again
"I love gay people, as long as they don't try to shove it in my face."
Which really is a clever way of putting, "I have reservations about gay people so I include pointless caveats in my world view to rationalize said reservations!"[/QUOTE]
Excellent summary of a really shitty opinion that gets tossed around, by the way.
[QUOTE=deaded38;34598059]I don't see a problem with some gay people. They can be as flaming as they come and have a good personality, and I will accept them. The problem with most gay people is that they take shit way too seriously. If you even say a sentence with the word "gay" in it, expect to be flamed (haha, get it?). I also dislike the gays that literally strut about with a chihuahua on a pink leash wearing yoga pants and a half-open t-shirt. If you're going to be openly gay, don't get pissed off on the occasion someone says a "derogatory" statement. Obviously, a person wants to attempt to not say anything "derogatory" to a gay person. It's kind of hard to do when you've been hearing "that's gay" for a good portion of your life.
Conclusion: Most gay people take shit too seriously and that is what ultimately makes me dislike the majority of them.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you realise how insensitive you're being. Just because it means nothing to you, doesn't mean it has no significance.
Do you think that nobody should respond to people openly insulting them, or just gays?
As I mentioned earlier, I used to have exactly the same attitude. It was only when I realised how badly I was making my friends feel, that I realised I needed to change my behaviour.
[QUOTE=deaded38;34598059]I don't see a problem with some gay people. They can be as flaming as they come and have a good personality, and I will accept them. The problem with most gay people is that they take shit way too seriously. If you even say a sentence with the word "gay" in it, expect to be flamed (haha, get it?). I also dislike the gays that literally strut about with a chihuahua on a pink leash wearing yoga pants and a half-open t-shirt. If you're going to be openly gay, don't get pissed off on the occasion someone says a "derogatory" statement. Obviously, a person wants to attempt to not say anything "derogatory" to a gay person. It's kind of hard to do when you've been hearing "that's gay" for a good portion of your life.
Conclusion: Most gay people take shit too seriously and that is what ultimately makes me dislike the majority of them.[/QUOTE]
Here, you're supposed to be posting homosexuality, not homosexual individuals
[QUOTE=BagMinge104;34598455]You know, I'm going to make a tiny wager that you actually have quite a big problem with gay people. You halfheartedly mention that you'll accept gay people "as flaming as they come", and then, in order, (1) act as if gay people don't have a legitimate reason to be offended when you toss around loaded language, (2) contradict your supposed acceptance of all gay people, (3) act as if gay people owe you something for being out, and (4) contradict yourself again and say you dislike most gays.
Sweetheart, I'd quite prefer you not dance around the subject and stop dressing up the opinions you know will land you in hot water.[/QUOTE]
If ratings were enabled, I would rate you dumb. Seriously, I didn't contradict myself even once in that statement. I never once said I accept all gay people. I said I will accept them if their personality isn't shit and they don't take everything offensively. I also never even acted like "gay people owe me something". Where in any of that did I once even refer to something similar?
Dumbass, I'd quite prefer you not throw in random assumptions to make me look like that bad guy.
[editline]8th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=st0rmforce;34601967]I don't think you realise how insensitive you're being. Just because it means nothing to you, doesn't mean it has no significance.
Do you think that nobody should respond to people openly insulting them, or just gays?
As I mentioned earlier, I used to have exactly the same attitude. It was only when I realised how badly I was making my friends feel, that I realised I needed to change my behaviour.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying that gays shouldn't defend themselves. Hell, I support them defending their beliefs. But only with those who truly have something against gays. For example, I might say "that's gay" and realize I was being insensitive to someone who was gay. I would apologize. I'm talking about the ones who truly just can't forgive and forget. If you say something like that, they won't talk to you for the rest of the week or whatever. Those are the gays I was referring to.
[QUOTE=deaded38;34609375]If ratings were enabled, I would rate you dumb. Seriously, I didn't contradict myself even once in that statement. I never once said I accept all gay people. I said I will accept them if their personality isn't shit and they don't take everything offensively. I also never even acted like "gay people owe me something". Where in any of that did I once even refer to something similar?
Dumbass, I'd quite prefer you not throw in random assumptions to make me look like that bad guy.
[editline]8th February 2012[/editline]
I'm not saying that gays shouldn't defend themselves. Hell, I support them defending their beliefs. But only with those who truly have something against gays. For example, I might say "that's gay" and realize I was being insensitive to someone who was gay. I would apologize. I'm talking about the ones who truly just can't forgive and forget. If you say something like that, they won't talk to you for the rest of the week or whatever. Those are the gays I was referring to.[/QUOTE]
If you truly accepted gay people, you wouldn't leave in unnecessary caveats in your opinion of them to rationalize any negative opinions you might have. You invent caricatures of gay people and pretend as if they are some sort of subset of the whole, acting as if gay people "freaking out when I say that's gay" or "dressing up in yoga pants, a half open t-shirt, and walking around with a pink chihuahua" is a legitimate problem society has to face. If you even had a single open minded conversation with a gay person on the subject, such fantasies would appear as nothing less than what they are: damaging a ludicrous.
[QUOTE=BagMinge104;34610290]If you truly accepted gay people, you wouldn't leave in unnecessary caveats in your opinion of them to rationalize any negative opinions you might have. You invent caricatures of gay people and pretend as if they are some sort of subset of the whole, acting as if gay people "freaking out when I say that's gay" or "dressing up in yoga pants, a half open t-shirt, and walking around with a pink chihuahua" is a legitimate problem society has to face. If you even had a single open minded conversation with a gay person on the subject, such fantasies would appear as nothing less than what they are: damaging a ludicrous.[/QUOTE]
Like I said, I don't accept gay people as a whole. I do, however, accept some of them. Also, I have had conversations with gay people. Some of them can be very cool and I respect them. Others just shove their dick in your face or have a bad personality. I respect people to a point. But it seems to me everyone in this thread idolizes gays. My cousin is the same way. He thinks gay people deserve some sort of special treatment because there are people out there that dislike all of them.
[QUOTE=deaded38;34610837]Like I said, I don't accept gay people as a whole. I do, however, accept some of them. Also, I have had conversations with gay people. Some of them can be very cool and I respect them. Others just shove their dick in your face or have a bad personality. I respect people to a point. But it seems to me everyone in this thread idolizes gays. My cousin is the same way. He thinks gay people deserve some sort of special treatment because there are people out there that dislike all of them.[/QUOTE]
you are acting as if there are large divisions of gay people, types of gays
also nobody cares what your cousin thinks
[QUOTE=deaded38;34610837]He thinks gay people deserve some sort of special treatment because there are people out there that dislike all of them.[/QUOTE]
They [sp]we[/sp] do need special attention but only up until the point that they [sp]we[/sp] have the same rights as everybody else.
I do and don't have a problem with them.
I [B]don't[/B] because what they do doesn't really effect my day to day. It's not like packs of gay people roam the streets raping straight people or anything. Flamboyantly gay people bother me though because it seems like they're being flamboyant because they're looking for attention/they aren't comfortable with their alternative sexuality and become caricatures of themselves.
I [B]do[/B] because they go against the human "prime directive," repopulation. They don't offer anything in terms of the expansion of the race. It's a waste of juices if you ask me.
[QUOTE=Ryan Reefer;34614703]
I [B]do[/B] because they go against the human "prime directive," repopulation. They don't offer anything in terms of the expansion of the race. It's a waste of juices if you ask me.[/QUOTE]
On the flip side, you could look at it as a form of population control.
[QUOTE=Ryan Reefer;34614703]I do and don't have a problem with them.
I [B]don't[/B] because what they do doesn't really effect my day to day. It's not like packs of gay people roam the streets raping straight people or anything. Flamboyantly gay people bother me though because it seems like they're being flamboyant because they're looking for attention/they aren't comfortable with their alternative sexuality and become caricatures of themselves.
I [B]do[/B] because they go against the human "prime directive," repopulation. They don't offer anything in terms of the expansion of the race. It's a waste of juices if you ask me.[/QUOTE]
Calling anyone a 'waste of juices' is a really offensive term and you really should reconsider your views.
And it's alright if you dislike flamboyantly gay people as long as you have the same views of flamboyantly straight people.
[QUOTE=deaded38;34610837]Like I said, I don't accept gay people as a whole. I do, however, accept some of them. Also, I have had conversations with gay people. Some of them can be very cool and I respect them. Others just shove their dick in your face or have a bad personality. I respect people to a point. But it seems to me everyone in this thread idolizes gays. My cousin is the same way. He thinks gay people deserve some sort of special treatment because there are people out there that dislike all of them.[/QUOTE]
You know the same can be said about straight people right?
Some straight people can be very cool.
Some straight people shove the fact that they love tits and pussy and have a bad personality.
Stop generalizing.
I could care less who a man/woman loves, but people need to make an effort to deal with it. If it isn't affecting you why should you give a fuck?
[QUOTE=Ryan Reefer;34614703]
I [B]do[/B] because they go against the human "prime directive," repopulation. They don't offer anything in terms of the expansion of the race. It's a waste of juices if you ask me.[/QUOTE]
Have you never masturbated?
[QUOTE=noneshallpass;34615315]I could care less who a man/woman loves, but people need to make an effort to deal with it. If it isn't affecting you why should you give a fuck?[/QUOTE]
This is a question I've asked myself before all the time. I genuinely can not understand why me marrying another man makes someone so angry. Why do people get so infuriated like I'm murdering their children or something? What am I doing to them by being with or marrying someone of the same gender?
Gay people are just people. They deserve the same rights as same-sex couples.
Being gay doesn't harm anyone, and if it goes against God, aren't christians supposed to tolerate that kind of thing?
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