Or maybe you could try taking a real dose of DXM. What's with this first and second plateau bullshit? I can achieve the same results with a little bit of herb and a bottle of liquor.
What's the point of taking a dissociative if you aren't going to do enough to experience the dissociative effects?
This thread is kind of an embarrassment :/
You'd think a bunch of guys talking about drugs would be less patronizing about choice of drugs.
That being said I would agree that dissociatives are the best drugs for exploring consciousness and all the most interesting things but they're also horrifying when they make you realize that you're a reaction machine and your "spirit" or whatever, is just a little film on the top that a tiny amount of some chemicals will obliterate. And coming down from dissociatives is a jarring experience that just draws attention to how utterly strange every single part of our daily circumstances are, and how fragile and purposeless our existence is. Every time I do a dissociative I become more of an atheist.
[QUOTE=Anubis678;28577544]What's the point of taking a dissociative if you aren't going to do enough to experience the dissociative effects?[/QUOTE]
Because sometimes you've got to keep some bodily control lol. Although k holing hard and sitting still for 3 hours can be fun, depends where it happens.
Also weed is great purely because of its utility. It's cheap, given your point of view I guess, and basically free of long term effects. Plus with experience it barely even impairs you.
I wanna try DMT before PCP
How do they even correlate?
For those that have tried PCP, what is it like? I know it is like a heavy tranquilizer but is it anything like ketamine? Or am I just being silly? One of the reasons why I won't do PCP is because I've done my fair share of hard drugs and I'm more or less "grown up". I enjoy the occasional line of coke, or the few pills of ecstasy, but I'm just done living the rock and roll dream. So my DDers... please enlightenment me on this drug.
Hey folks, did anyone tried 4-Meo-PCP??
What is all this about plataeus and stuff. I've never tried any dissociatives aside from ket (which I've done many times before), I read somewhere that a KHole is a "high plateau" or some shit. I've kholed a few times before.
Dissociatives are weird in that depending on the dosage you take, they exponentiate as the dosages get higher. 4 bumps of Ket is going to be totally different than 2 bumps, not just a greater feeling, different all together. Its the same with DXM too.
It's the same with DXM, and even with PCP.
DXM seems to have 4 different plateaus, I'd say that Ket and PCP have two modes. The 1st being "Woah I'm a fucking robot this is cool where'd all the noise go?"( K and PCP are not all that great for doing alone and just listening to music, something happens to your hearing and your brain stops being able to pick up different frequencies) and then there's the "OH FUCK I'M INSIDE OF MY OWN HEAD FLYING AROUND AND WE'RE ALL CONNECTED" K-hole experience. As for heavy dosage of PCP, I've never done it but my friend says it's completely insane. He said you feel like you have absolute unlimited energy, and that you have to expend it. The one time I elephant-flipped (PCP with ecstasy) was probably one of the most amazing and exhausting things I've ever done, I woke up the next morning bruised all over because I kept bumping into people and contorting my body in impossible ways listening to music.
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[QUOTE=HeatPipe;28579889]Hey folks, did anyone tried 4-Meo-PCP??[/QUOTE]
No but I hear of nothing but great things about it. From what I read/heard its the same as PCP except it doesn't trigger the manic thought processes that PCP is famous for.
[url]http://www.viceland.com/int/v18n2/htdocs/interview-with-ketamine-chemist-704.php[/url]
The guy interviewed in this article talks about it briefly.
[QUOTE=KETCHEMIST] [B]Which ones specifically?[/B]
3-MeO-PCP and 3-MeO-PCE are simply incredible drugs. They have a true capacity for healing, as the 3-methoxy group infers µ-opioid receptor affinity3 and removes the manic pressure of thought that can make PCP quite a disturbing and unpleasant drug. With the 3-methoxys there is such incredible laughter and boundless sexual energy. 3-MeO-PCP produces an inner stillness as if all the leaky naggings of the subconscious are completely muted. At 15 mg I felt 3-MeO-PCP was possibly the most amazing drug I had ever consumed, and 3-MeO-PCE seemed to have the full capacity to be the next LSD. It’s a barrel of laughs, with none of the shambolic lurching of ketamine. I felt as if I was Peter Sellers as Inspector Clouseau in a world of desperately struggling Charlie Chaplins. I laughed until I had tears rolling down to my thighs! The arylcyclohexylamines have a tremendous therapeutic potential, but they have a great abuse potential as well. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BenzinV2;28582680]The one time I elephant-flipped (PCP with ecstasy) was probably one of the most amazing and exhausting things I've ever done, I woke up the next morning bruised all over because I kept bumping into people and contorting my body in impossible ways listening to music.[/QUOTE]
My mate woke up with a shattered wrist yesterday and no idea how he did it but he was on MXE not PCP.
I can feel GD already
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My real dad lost his mind to PCP, I probably wont try it because of that reason..
[QUOTE=Anubis678;28577544]Or maybe you could try taking a real dose of DXM. What's with this first and second plateau bullshit? I can achieve the same results with a little bit of herb and a bottle of liquor.
What's the point of taking a dissociative if you aren't going to do enough to experience the dissociative effects?[/QUOTE]
I've only tried DXM once. I didn't go for a mind fuck because it was my first dissociative, I only had a bottle at my disposal, and it tasted so fucking vile that I never touched it again.
The high was amazing but I had a weak stomach and even without guaf I felt miserable from that aspect the entire time. Given the opportunity to try DXM if it was pure, without all the additives, I'd probably try it again. Until then though, syrup chugging is something that I'm never touching again because it was absolutely horrible. Popping around 30 or 40 DXM pills doesn't seem so attractive either.
The best way (even better than making robodrink) to get rid of nausea on DXM is to get the robotussin softgels, soak them in a bowl of water for 20 minutes, and take them that way. It removes the hard outer wax coating which is the source of so much nausea.
That or just do pure powder.
Also take about 4 benedryls an hour before dosing. I've experience 0% nausea from the steps described above.
Drinking cough syrup really isn't that fucking bad...
I've only thrown up once on DXM (having done it weekly or bi-weekly for the better part of a year), and that was because I was coming up too hard on triple c's. I've never thrown up from the syrup, nor experienced anything worse than minor physical discomfort.
Its different for everyone, the sorbitol doesn't help.
Back on topic, the best sort of music for PCP is anything with a "dark" beat to it
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaTzwdU1heI[/media]
The song Kanshi posted is another good example.
The scariest music, and I'm not shitting you, to listen to on PCP is anything by Taylor Swift or any other Disney kid/pop star like Ke$ha. It's terrifying beyond belief, it sounds demonic and causes really bad vibes.
I would love to explain to all of you how PCP any really any "Hard" Dissociatives affect you but the honest truth is you really have to go and experience it. The feeling of being taken from yourself is really something that every adventurous drug user should get to enjoy.
I find it so hard to take you seriously kanshi, only because of your avatar.
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but I guess the same could probably go for me as well.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;28589365]I find it so hard to take you seriously kanshi, only because of your avatar.
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How you like me now? :love:
Also make sure you know who is getting you your pcp
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[QUOTE=Zeemlapje;28573215]how do I DIY PCP in my kitchen?? TBH i want to try atleast one dissocative, might as wall take a powerful one.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/pcp/[/url]
If you got the chemistry means to understand all that go ahead.
well i just read some experience reports on erowid and pcp and it seems like most of these people didn't actually enjoy the experience. most of them reported severe paranoia, difficulty with speech, and schizophrenia-like symptoms. there was one guy who said he got some pcp-laced bud ([url]http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=34521[/url]) and said this...
[quote]It has now been 6 months since I stopped smoking PCP. Although it is easy to blame my problems of the present on a drug, I know that my life has been partially ruined by PCP. My skin and appearance is much different, I am clinically depressed and fatigued to the point where I barely can function at times, and I am very very very irritable, cynical, and aggressive (I used to be such a passive and easy-going guy). The personality shift that resulted from this has cost me 2 girlfriends, a job, and the majority of my friends. I no longer get the pleasurable marijuana highs that I miss so much. For awhile afterwards all that I felt when smoking ordinary unlaced weed was a stupor-like PCP high. After awhile that faded away but pot then just burnt me out and sent me into horrible depressive states for weeks. I have now abstained from smoking weed for a few months and I worry that I will never be able to simply get innocently high again. Nobody should ever take that for grantid. [/quote]
so i think i'll pass. i don't know if that happens to everyone and how much it actually takes for that to happen, but from the reports i read as well as wikipedia it doesn't really seem that fun or like it's worth the damage. you guys have fun though. i think i'll stick with my psychedelics.
[QUOTE=BenzinV2;28568886]How am I making it a joke? Don't you guys get tired of talking about all those stupid benzos you're abusing and how "fucked up you got on pot last night maaaaaaan"? I thought we could, you know, talk about something new for once. This is the DRUG subforum after all, PCP is a drug isn't it? Is there some kind of taboo against talking about the Big Nasty Few?
I'm just annoyed that everyone came in here all "Ooooh PCP is dangerous, I'd never try it it kills your brain and makes you dumb LOL XD".[/QUOTE]
I agree. I'm happy someone finally posts something about pcp. Maybe post a trip report of your next pcp trip? Would be awesome :)
[QUOTE=Gods Hand;28634621]I agree. I'm happy someone finally posts something about pcp. Maybe post a trip report of your next pcp trip? Would be awesome :)[/QUOTE]
I'm gonna get some 4-MeO-PCP soon, I heard its a lot like PCP, I'll report on that.
I'd tell you about the real deal but its hard to get nowadays since I moved from Atlanta.
If your weed is going to be laced with anything, it is likely to be PCP. Low amount of PCP are supposed to be similar to a marijuana high, and people generally won't notice. But if the person smokes a lot, it becomes pretty evident that it is laced.
They're really not that similar, but take into account the usual kind of person that buys from dealers who'd pull shit like that. They're probably told its just a different strain and accept it for that.
[QUOTE=Pepin;28645248]If your weed is going to be laced with anything, it is likely to be PCP. Low amount of PCP are supposed to be similar to a marijuana high, and people generally won't notice. But if the person smokes a lot, it becomes pretty evident that it is laced.[/QUOTE]
Woah don't give anyone any Ideas now or tomorrow we will have 50 threads on "GUYS MY WEED IS LACED IT SMELLS FUNNY AND SOME OF IT IS EVEN PURPLE *gasp*"
To be honest, PCP laced weed isn't all that bad, and you'd be pretty lucky to find a dealer who actually does it what with how rare that stuff is to find nowadays.
[QUOTE=Pepin;28645248]If your weed is going to be laced with anything, it is likely to be PCP. Low amount of PCP are supposed to be similar to a marijuana high, and people generally won't notice. But if the person smokes a lot, it becomes pretty evident that it is laced.[/QUOTE]
That's actually very unlikely, considering how rare and hard to find PCP is (since pretty much no-one wants to do it) and I'm sure you'd be able to immediately tell that what you're smoking is not just weed. It'd look funny, smell funny, taste funny, and the high would be different.
I guess PCP got bad reputation because they laced weed with it, and weed is known to cause anxiety for no reason + PCP magnifying it, there you just got a loop of anxiety getting bigger.
[QUOTE=Anubis678;28653862]That's actually very unlikely, considering how rare and hard to find PCP is (since pretty much no-one wants to do it) and I'm sure you'd be able to immediately tell that what you're smoking is not just weed. It'd look funny, smell funny, taste funny, and the high would be different.[/QUOTE]
Getting laced weed is pretty unlikely altogether. If you're going to get laced weed, it is going to be laced with PCP (or some research chemical). If you read a lot of the experiences on erowid, the main thing about PCP laced weed is the chemical like taste.
Don't misinterpret my point because I'm not saying that laced weed is at all an issue, all I'm saying is that PCP is the most likely substance to lace weed with (besides research compounds like jwh-018). If you disagree, please explain what weed would be most likely to be laced with (excluding stuff like jwh-018).
Getting laced weed is very unlikely, and finding weed laced with PCP (even if you're looking for it) is even more unlikely. Why?
1. PCP is rare as fuck. Why? Well...
2. Nobody is fucking looking for PCP because it has such a horrible reputation. It's one of the few drugs that carries a heavy stigma even amongst drug users
3. If someone has PCP, they're not just going to up and lace your herb without charging you extra for it. Why? Refer back to point #1
4. Research chemicals (such as the JWH's) are: very cheap, very easy to acquire, and very potent
5. PCP is dead, man... It's over. It's gone out of style (unfortunately... I'd love the chance to try it)
And this is not even going into the reasons why the average drug dealer would NOT lace their herb (lacing with other drugs would lose them money, it would be extremely obvious to the client, run the risk of losing clients/soiling reputation as drug dealer, etc etc). Taking this one step further, though: Even if your drug dealer did feel like throwing you a bone and spiking your ganja, why the fuck would he spike it with PCP, a drug notorious for giving unsuspecting users very unpleasant experiences?
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