Is Anything Real? - General

I think it's impossible to prove what is real and what isn't. I also think it doesn't matter. The only thing I desire is to be happy, and if I'm happy, real or not, I'm satisfied. [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] "Real" is also highly subjective, but I'll leave that.

[QUOTE=Hypernova;33041671]I think it's impossible to prove what is real and what isn't. I also think it doesn't matter. The only thing I desire is to be happy, and if I'm happy, real or not, I'm satisfied. [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] "Real" is also highly subjective, but I'll leave that.[/QUOTE] "Real" is not at all subjective. What's real for me is real for you, and real for everyone on the planet. Except for those people who are hallucinating, of course.

[QUOTE=Hypernova;33041671]I think it's impossible to prove what is real and what isn't. I also think it doesn't matter. The only thing I desire is to be happy, and if I'm happy, real or not, I'm satisfied. [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] "Real" is also highly subjective, but I'll leave that.[/QUOTE] Real being 'highly subjective' only applies to heaven/hell/god/satan/etc. Things you can't prove or disprove. You can prove everything else else real because if it wasn't real, we wouldn't be here to begin with.

the only thing that isn't real is the OP being over 12

[QUOTE=ThePutty;33045482]the only thing that isn't real is the OP being over 12[/QUOTE] Erm, why do you suspect this? [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] [sp]Because I am over 12, I'm 19 if you really want to know[/sp] [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] Anyways ignore the last post and we'll get back on-topic, don't derail

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;33041414]Everything is real until proven otherwise. Reality is not a theory, nor is it a hypothesis. It's an axiom.[/QUOTE] That doesn't make sense because it means that any unfalsifiable ontological claim must be true. God must exist. Leprechauns must exist. Azathoth must exist. Invisible bigfoot must exist. Reality doesn't work that way. Things exist or they don't and there's no good reason to believe something exists until there is reasonable evidence for its existence.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;33051542]That doesn't make sense because it means that any unfalsifiable ontological claim must be true. God must exist. Leprechauns must exist. Azathoth must exist. Invisible bigfoot must exist. Reality doesn't work that way. Things exist or they don't and there's no good reason to believe something exists until there is reasonable evidence for its existence.[/QUOTE] We can't get evidence for reality. Any evidence for reality is a part of reality, if a fact disproves reality it disproves itself, leading to a paradox

bitch are you doubting my existence?

Reality is subjective, therefor everything you define as "real" is real.

OP, I am from the Matrix. Your memory will be erased in 3...

[QUOTE=somescripter;33055286]OP, I am from the Matrix. Your memory will be erased in 3...[/QUOTE] Neo get back in the car what the fuck man not cool [editline]31st October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Laserbeams;33054988]We can't get evidence for reality. Any evidence for reality is a part of reality, if a fact disproves reality it disproves itself, leading to a paradox[/QUOTE] If a fact disproves reality, I will eat a sock.

[QUOTE=J!NX;33055827]Neo get back in the car what the fuck man not cool [editline]31st October 2011[/editline] If a fact disproves reality, I will eat a sock.[/QUOTE] Actually, you won't, because the sock won't be real and neither will you.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;33055259]Reality is subjective, therefor everything you define as "real" is real.[/QUOTE]So the dreams that I have are real?

Reality is just a simulation. Scientists and mathematicians are slowly breaking apart the foundations of our universe only to find that they are all closely related to each other. Why is this? Possibly because our reality is running on a 'Natural Algorithm'. Everything is mathematically, scientifically and physically related to this one algorithm. The Answer to Life.

ur in the marix, try to search "him" on facebook or google)

Hmm, well, I guess you could spend your whole life trying to prove or disprove the general assumption that everything thing that was ever seen or mentioned or proved to be there actually existed, but why would you care? It's there, whether it's 'real' or not, so just live your life?

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;33056960]Actually, you won't, because the sock won't be real and neither will you.[/QUOTE] Paradox to the max.

Like, everything's too detailed and complex to be a dream, man Don't tell me I came up with everything in my maths textbook in a dream? Crazy shit mang

[QUOTE=RobL;33060420]Like, everything's too detailed and complex to be a dream, man Don't tell me I came up with everything in my maths textbook in a dream? Crazy shit mang[/QUOTE] It's amazing what your mind can do, shit like calculus could be like 1+1 to people in the "real world"

Either way to me, ignorance is bliss.

this [QUOTE=Laserbeams;33054988]We can't get evidence for reality. Any evidence for reality is a part of reality,[/QUOTE] and this [QUOTE=Laserbeams;33054988]if a fact disproves reality it disproves itself, leading to a paradox[/QUOTE] are unrelated assertions

Reality only exists as long as your observing it [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPvJW1aC0ic[/media]

Absolutely. We humans get a very good look at what is real on many scales, from the cells in our body all the way to the massive celestial bodies in the universe. But the interesting part is, that animals see in different light. For example fishes, they see shit in a very different way which would make us dizzy. But they need it to detect even the smallest movement, and stuff. But I guess you could say our eyes are better than those of fishes in a way since our body not to mention our brains are more developed and complex too.

It is an interesting thought, but there is no proof that we are actually in a different world than we are in right now. Also, if you went into a coma suddenly, and were in a dream, it would not make sense that your memories are coherent, and if you were in a dream where there exists thousands of other people, that would mean that you are either being held in a dream state that is being controlled like a network with thousands of other humans, (such as the Matrix) or that you are experiencing an extremely elaborate delusion in which thousands of other life-like and seemingly-conscious beings exist, which would also mean that you have some sort of megabrain in the "real" world. There's no way a human brain would be able to sustain more than a few personalities/minds. We see that people with Multiple Personality Disorder who have even two consciousnesses experience a lot of disorder. Let alone at least 7 billion other consciousnesses all at once. Sorry, I don't really buy it. I think this is world is not the only world that exists, but I don't think any other comparable worlds that would exist have any effect on us whatsoever.

What you see, is light that pass to your eyes and get interpreted by your brain. Same goes with what you smell, taste.. feel.: informations processed by your brain. Now how can you tell anything is real? Is your brain deceiving you? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito_ergo_sum[/url] Reading the [i]Cogito Ergo Sum[/i] will hep you expressing your opinion in this matter. I can't prove or disprove anything is real or not, And since I can't, I don't care. Either if this is a dream, an illusion or just my imagination, I'm fine with it.

Lol, you are real and so is our world.. it's not even up for debate really.

This is really silly and I think people who think this have watched The Matrix a few too many times of course reality is real, stop being paranoid even if it wasn't, this reality is what we are observing, work with what you have for pete's sake

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;33117240]Lol, you are real and so is our world.. it's not even up for debate really.[/QUOTE] You can't prove reality is real, nor can you disprove it. That is the entire base of the debate. The fact that famous philosophers have pondered the subject kind of proves it's worth thinking about.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;33123139]You can't prove reality is real, nor can you disprove it. That is the entire base of the debate. The fact that famous philosophers have pondered the subject kind of proves it's worth thinking about.[/QUOTE] That is so bullshit. And none of the old-timers pondered whether reality is real. That would be a waste of time. Not that philosophy isn't a waste of time for some parts anyways. Like if you meant Aristoteles or whoever the fuck, he only came to a conclusion that he was the smartest fuck alive when he asked random citizens whether they knew anything about the Sun for example. The clueless citizens thought they knew all about it, explaining it is a God of some sort. But this Aristoteles guy thought "No it's not a God.. it's something else, a big fucking light ball up in the Sky giving us warmth.. welp" And sure it's worth thinking about. But not whether it's real or not. It is real, the reality, and that's what makes it kinda scary to think about. Especially back in the day when they didn't know jack shit about Space and its celestial bodies and how they function.

This is ridiculous, You cant say "reality isn't real" as "real" means, of reality. perhaps one could say our perception of reality is skewed. but "reality isnt real" is like saying "the concept of things being fake, is fake"