Urban Dictionary's top rated definitions for "liberals" - General

[QUOTE=nERVEcenter;18783675]The flavor text at the end of my personal favorite definition of "liberals," number four: "The Liberals are for Big Government, Big Taxes, Big Spending, and Big Talk. They disguise this by accusing the Conservatives of being Big Brother."[/QUOTE] fuck state intervention!!!! (except when it's in wars, buildings, marriage, religion)

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18783697]fuck state intervention!!!! (except when it's in wars, buildings, marriage, religion)[/QUOTE] STRAIGHT marriage you pinko [editline]07:00PM[/editline] [QUOTE=nERVEcenter;18783675]The flavor text at the end of my personal favorite definition of "liberals," number four: "The Liberals are for Big Government, Big Taxes, Big Spending, and Big Talk. They disguise this by accusing the[B] Conservatives of being Big Brother.[/B]"[/QUOTE] haha [url]http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/5160[/url] the irony

Maybe if those dumb buttfucker conservatives hadn't added "...under God..." to the pledge in the 1950s to try to piss off Communists/Atheists it would still be said in schools. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Addition_of_the_words_.22under_God.22[/url]

[QUOTE=Trotsky;18783706] haha [url]http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/5160[/url] the irony[/QUOTE] I don't see the irony, you seem to be reinforcing our point. Maybe I'm just some dumbass redneck bible-thumping conservative, no?

[QUOTE=Thom12255;18782964]Present evidence to support your view(s) or we wont believe you.[/QUOTE] How 'bout that [i]current economic crisis[/i] and [i]ridiculous 12% unemployment rate[/i], as a direct result of 8 years of Glorious Conservative Guidance, eh?

[QUOTE=Trotsky;18782680]History has shown Keynesian liberalism works very well history has shown conservatism to fail demonstrably.[/QUOTE] Rated funny. Because that's funny. Real funny.

[QUOTE=nERVEcenter;18783858]I don't see the irony, you seem to be reinforcing our point. Maybe I'm just some dumbass redneck bible-thumping conservative, no?[/QUOTE] They whine that liberals call them big brother, then they turn around and call obama's heath care bill evil and Orwellian. Hell, they assaulted the NHS with the same charge, and that pissed a LOT of people off over here. [editline]07:16PM[/editline] [QUOTE=nERVEcenter;18783884]Rated funny. Because that's funny. Real funny.[/QUOTE] watch as nervecenter gallantly refutes my points [editline]07:16PM[/editline] oh :(

[QUOTE=nERVEcenter;18783858]I don't see the irony, you seem to be reinforcing our point. Maybe I'm just some dumbass redneck bible-thumping conservative, no?[/QUOTE] The man who is saying basically "ANYTHING NEW IS BAD. WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY." is accusing someone who is trying to change the system to benefit the masses of bring "Orwellian." Also the American health care system is dog shit and is largely to blame for why so many pension funds are going bankrupt and why the American automakers are being run into the ground.

Good to know the Capitalists helped the american healthcare system become the best in the wo [url]http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html[/url] oh :(

[QUOTE=Warren Holzem;18783904]The man who is saying basically "ANYTHING NEW IS BAD. WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY." is accusing someone who is trying to change the system to benefit the masses of bring "Orwellian." Also the American health care system is dog shit and is largely to blame for why so many pension funds are going bankrupt and why the American automakers are being run into the ground.[/QUOTE] Shit, but it's the best out there. If we cleared up all the damned intrastate monopolies running rampant and driving prices up, some of those exclusive "country-club" medical procedures would become more available to the average citizen, and has been the case with every industry back to the founding. If the government is going to do anything, all it needs to do is mandate interstate health policies. American automakers are being run into the ground because they make shitty cars next to European and Japanese models. Good for them.

Remember how our parents could all afford to buy homes within a year or two of graduating from college, and got awesome jobs with job security, full medical/dental/vision coverage and guaranteed pensions? Yeah, good luck finding that shit now. HOORAY CAPITALISM! [editline]06:27PM[/editline] [QUOTE=nERVEcenter;18783953]Shit, but it's the best out there.[/QUOTE] NO. No god damn it. This is just [i]wrong[/i] Our system is fucking AWFUL for everyday routine care. We have excellent specialized surgeons, but our everyday care is HORSE SHIT, and it's so expensive that 15-25% of Americans have ZERO health care. Not even limited HMO bullshit. [QUOTE=nERVEcenter;18783953]American automakers are being run into the ground because they make shitty cars next to European and Japanese models. Good for them.[/QUOTE] Why comment on something you clearly don't understand? For any business to increase profits they need to reduce costs. The single largest cost for their employees outside of their salary is their health care. All those other car companies, whether European or Asian, are based in countries with Universal health care, yes socialized medicine. Even with increased taxes overall these companies pay less per employee then American companies do. Health care is very expensive for GM and other companies. We are in a position right now where employees and retired employees are struggling to get the care they need, so the unions are fighting to get American car companies to pay for what their foreign competitors get from society as a whole.

[QUOTE=Savaril;18780428][url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=liberals[/url] discuss.[/QUOTE] AGREED. Thank you so very much. [editline]01:16PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Wallettheifv3;18782486]how does that happen[/QUOTE] Ruptured intestines. o.O

[QUOTE=Cocklez;18784619]AGREED. Thank you so very much. [editline]01:16PM[/editline] Ruptured intestines. o.O[/QUOTE] You agree Liberal's are communists who are all gay married?

[QUOTE=sp00ks;18783613]You said that [b]we[/b] wouldn't believe him. How do you know what we think?[/QUOTE] Well that all depends on you thinking I meant you as well when I said we.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;18784705]Well that all depends on you thinking I meant you as well when I said we.[/QUOTE] you should go away now

Liberalist logic is flawed Not every man and women are born equal, some are born with a lower mental capacity (retardation) Some are born gay (not unless being homosexual is influenced, and people become gay instead of being born)

you see, you're a bad troll.

[QUOTE=Zee!;18782252]But ultimately it doesn't matter because both sides are controlled by the bank.[/QUOTE] Can't see why this was ignored :/ The bank runs the whole fucking show in America. [QUOTE=Trotsky;18782680]History has shown Keynesian liberalism works very well history has shown conservatism to fail demonstrably.[/QUOTE] Though I have largely agreed with you, I must disagree with Keynesian liberalism; Keynesian style economics are the very reason we are in this economic crisis. I know in Canada specifically, we are so far in debt that if we don't deal with it soon, our country will hit a point of no return, and the lenders will be able to call for pretty much whatever the fuck they want. Now considering the "Liberal Party" (they're not actually liberals at all, just criminals) has already sold some of our crown corporations to their friends, we don't have much else to give, so I think we have right to be afraid. Either way, our Progressive Conservative party is still farther left than the US Democrats are, so I don't know what those fucking idiots are complaining about. On a related note, US Conservatives, make up your fucking mind: is Obama a marxist or a nazi? I keep seeing both being called out and I am honestly confused. On a side note for the interested, the Liberal Party of Canada has actually privatized more businesses in Canada than all the other parties combined.

I'd sooner turn to ED for accurate definitions than Urban Dictionary.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;18784913]Can't see why this was ignored :/ The bank runs the whole fucking show in America. Though I have largely agreed with you, I must disagree with Keynesian liberalism; Keynesian style economics are the very reason we are in this economic crisis. I know in Canada specifically, we are so far in debt that if we don't deal with it soon, our country will hit a point of no return, and the lenders will be able to call for pretty much whatever the fuck they want. Now considering the "Liberal Party" (they're not actually liberals at all, just criminals) has already sold some of our crown corporations to their friends, we don't have much else to give, so I think we have right to be afraid. Either way, our Progressive Conservative party is still farther left than the US Democrats are, so I don't know what those fucking idiots are complaining about. On a related note, US Conservatives, make up your fucking mind: is Obama a marxist or a nazi? I keep seeing both being called out and I am honestly confused. On a side note for the interested, the Liberal Party of Canada has actually privatized more businesses in Canada than all the other parties combined.[/QUOTE] you are right in some aspects, unfortunately Keynesian economics has been corrupted somewhat. So with a mixture of social programs and corporate interest, it has a volatile it's not so much Keynesian economics fault, but more of the corporate interest being tied in. before there was much corruption like today, it worked well.

Lol America

[QUOTE=Warren Holzem;18783984] For any business to increase profits they need to reduce costs. The single largest cost for their employees outside of their salary is their health care. All those other car companies, whether European or Asian, are based in countries with Universal health care, yes socialized medicine. Even with increased taxes overall these companies pay less per employee then American companies do. Health care is very expensive for GM and other companies. We are in a position right now where employees and retired employees are struggling to get the care they need, so the unions are fighting to get American car companies to pay for what their foreign competitors get from society as a whole.[/QUOTE] This is so wrong it's not even funny. Health care is killing car companies. Do you live in the United States? Because if you weren't paying attention, health care only became a CRISIS when OBAMA came into office. That tends to happen with most Democratic administrations, actually. Yes, health care is expensive. No, reducing costs is not the best way to increase profits! Most products across most markets are extremely cheap to create in the first place, costing sometimes fractions of the product's retail price. Of this, health care costs are the most significant portion, but are completely manageable. The absolute best way to increase profits is to offer a [b]better[/b] product, for [b]cheaper[/b]. That's the entire point of the free market, opening up the process to the consumer so that demand puts incompetent companies in their place (automakers, network television, and don't get me STARTED on print media, which the government apparently deems as needing saving). The American people vote with their wallets, and if we prefer Japanese or European cars over GM's, shit, [i]they're doing something wrong.[/i] Frankly, it would have been much more preferable of an option to allow GM to file Chapter 11 and let the gaping hole in the economy heal naturally, as free markets do. It's an up and down cycle, people don't seem to understand that.

[QUOTE=nERVEcenter;18785340]This is so wrong it's not even funny. Health care is killing car companies. Do you live in the United States? Because if you weren't paying attention, health care only became a CRISIS when OBAMA came into office. That tends to happen with most Democratic administrations, actually.[/quote] [url]http://www.aflcio.org/issues/healthcare/whatswrong/[/url] no it's been a crisis for a long time. It's been a crisis since it was brought up by a pretty cool president who wanted socialized healthcare this fellow: [img]http://ameddregiment.amedd.army.mil/fshmuse/images/tr2.gif[/img] [quote]Yes, health care is expensive. No, reducing costs is not the best way to increase profits! Most products across most markets are extremely cheap to create in the first place, costing sometimes fractions of the product's retail price. Of this, health care costs are the most significant portion, but are completely manageable.[/quote] I wasn't aware increasing profits was the main goal of the health care industry... I was under the impression it was... uh, health. [quote]The absolute best way to increase profits is to offer a [b]better[/b] product, for [b]cheaper[/b]. That's the entire point of the free market, opening up the process to the consumer so that demand puts incompetent companies in their place (automakers, network television, and don't get me STARTED on print media, which the government apparently deems as needing saving). The American people vote with their wallets, and if we prefer Japanese or European cars over GM's, shit, [i]they're doing something wrong.[/i] Frankly, it would have been much more preferable of an option to allow GM to file Chapter 11 and let the gaping hole in the economy heal naturally, as free markets do. It's an up and down cycle, people don't seem to understand that.[/QUOTE] Well, good thing the free market only works in theoary, because everything you just describes does not work. The free market was allowed to heal naturally under Coolidge and Hoover then the depression hit.

[QUOTE=nERVEcenter;18785340]This is so wrong it's not even funny. Health care is killing car companies. Do you live in the United States? Because if you weren't paying attention, health care only became a CRISIS when OBAMA came into office.[/QUOTE] You clearly have no grasp on history. The problems with health care have been worsening over the last three decades. Costs have been rising exponentially for a long, long time. Health care wasn't perceived as a problem under Bush because he ignored the issue and got us into two wars, not because it wasn't a problem. [QUOTE=nERVEcenter;18785340]No, reducing costs is not the best way to increase profits! The absolute best way to increase profits is to offer a better product, for cheaper.[/QUOTE] And as we all know you can't offer a better product cheaper by reducing costs! :downsbravo:

Definition of "Liberals" from the Ayn Rand Lexicon [QUOTE=Ayn Rand] The basic and crucial political issue of our age is: capitalism versus socialism, or freedom versus statism. For decades, this issue has been silenced, suppressed, evaded, and hidden under the foggy, undefined rubber-terms of “conservatism” and “liberalism” which had lost their original meaning and could be stretched to mean all things to all men. The goal of the “liberals”—as it emerges from the record of the past decades—was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot—by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli. (The goal of the “conservatives” was only to retard that process.) [/QUOTE] and the definition of conservatives aswell so understand the above statment isnt pro conservative. [QUOTE=Ayn Rand] What are the “conservatives”? What is it that they are seeking to “conserve”? It is generally understood that those who support the “conservatives,” expect them to uphold the system which has been camouflaged by the loose term of “the American way of life.” The moral treason of the “conservative” leaders lies in the fact that they are hiding behind that camouflage: they do not have the courage to admit that the American way of life was capitalism, that that was the politico-economic system born and established in the United States, the system which, in one brief century, achieved a level of freedom, of progress, of prosperity, of human happiness, unmatched in all the other systems and centuries combined—and that that is the system which they are now allowing to perish by silent default. If the “conservatives” do not stand for capitalism, they stand for and are nothing; they have no goal, no direction, no political principles, no social ideals, no intellectual values, no leadership to offer anyone. Yet capitalism is what the “conservatives” dare not advocate or defend. They are paralyzed by the profound conflict between capitalism and the moral code which dominates our culture: the morality of altruism . . . Capitalism and altruism are incompatible; they are philosophical opposites; they cannot co-exist in the same man or in the same society. [/QUOTE] along with a statement on both for those curious scholarly types out there. [QUOTE=Ayn Rand] Both [conservatives and liberals] hold the same premise—the mind-body dichotomy—but choose opposite sides of this lethal fallacy. The conservatives want freedom to act in the material realm; they tend to oppose government control of production, of industry, of trade, of business, of physical goods, of material wealth. But they advocate government control of man’s spirit, i.e., man’s consciousness; they advocate the State’s right to impose censorship, to determine moral values, to create and enforce a governmental establishment of morality, to rule the intellect. The liberals want freedom to act in the spiritual realm; they oppose censorship, they oppose government control of ideas, of the arts, of the press, of education (note their concern with “academic freedom”). But they advocate government control of material production, of business, of employment, of wages, of profits, of all physical property—they advocate it all the way down to total expropriation. The conservatives see man as a body freely roaming the earth, building sand piles or factories—with an electronic computer inside his skull, controlled from Washington. The liberals see man as a soul freewheeling to the farthest reaches of the universe—but wearing chains from nose to toes when he crosses the street to buy a loaf of bread. Yet it is the conservatives who are predominantly religionists, who proclaim the superiority of the soul over the body, who represent what I call the “mystics of spirit.” And it is the liberals who are predominantly materialists, who regard man as an aggregate of meat, and who represent what I call the “mystics of muscle.” This is merely a paradox, not a contradiction: each camp wants to control the realm it regards as metaphysically important; each grants freedom only to the activities it despises. Observe that the conservatives insult and demean the rich or those who succeed in material production, regarding them as morally inferior—and that the liberals treat ideas as a cynical con game. “Control,” to both camps, means the power to rule by physical force. Neither camp holds freedom as a value. The conservatives want to rule man’s consciousness; the liberals, his body. [/QUOTE]

Now you see, [I]not[/I] being forced to recite the pledge sounds a lot more like freedom than being forced to recite the pledge. Conservatives like to make the fallacious statement that "not being forced to do something is analogous to being forced not to do something."

[QUOTE=BricknHead;18780449]I know it's dumb to say anything considering it's ud and it's completely not serious but the funny thing is that the conservative viewpoint is really the more restricting one when it comes to freedom[/QUOTE] This. You aren't libertarians. You're conservatives, and conservatism means taking away most personal freedoms. :downs:

If you don't have to say the Pledge then who cares? If you are forced to however... I know in my school no one ever stood for it every morning anyways. [editline]02:46PM[/editline] A true liberal is someone who is open minded to change and progress, instead of preserving the status quo. It's as simple as that.

Jesus fucking Christ I am thankful I live in Canada. We don't even think about the ideological bullshit that is tearing our southern neighbor apart.

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