Urban Dictionary's top rated definitions for "liberals" - General

[QUOTE=Trotsky;18790220]Like the Fire department?[/QUOTE] Some things are necessary to be paid for communally, such as an armed forced to protect individuals from possible aggression of other country's, and a police force to protect individuals from the threat of physical violence, along with search and rescue, disaster response, and fire departments. All of those services protect individual rights. What I have a problem with is the government taking money earned by private citizens, from private citizens, and using it to either support incompetent people, or turn private enterprises which thrive on competition to be the most efficient entity, into services which have no goals, and no motivation to improve. [QUOTE=Warren Holzem;18789803] But your point about private school is idiotic. Just because a school is private doesn't make it better.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that because a school is private it is instantly better than one which is public. What I'm saying is that rather than paying a tax that goes to pay for every school in the country, why not just choose which school you think is the best and then pay for your children's admission there. Either way your paying for a school, but in one you only have to pay for the service while you use it, and the fact that the school needs students to keep operating motivates them to provide a better service. [QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18790676] If you don't want to pay fucking taxes, then go to Somalia. The whole point of a society is that it's a group of individual humans that band together to create a better life for each of them than they could create by themselves. If that gets your panties in a twist then go find an island to live on. [/QUOTE] On the contrary, the purpose of civilization is to bar physical force from social relationships, making it so that if people wish to deal with one another they must do so by mutual consent. A good society allows individuals more privacy, sets them free from other men. In a civilized society, force may only be used in retaliation against those who initiate its use.

A thorough discussion of politics and economics on a forum with a mode age of around 14-16, most of whom who have never worked a day in their lives, or had to worry about their own finances. Delicious.

[QUOTE=Novistador;18790685]Some things are necessary to be paid for communally, such as an armed forced to protect individuals from possible aggression of other country's, and a police force to protect individuals from the threat of physical violence, along with search and rescue, disaster response, and fire departments. All of those services protect individual rights. What I have a problem with is the government taking money earned by private citizens, from private citizens, and using it to either support incompetent people, or turn private enterprises which thrive on competition to be the most efficient entity, into services which have no goals, and no motivation to improve. I'm not saying that because a school is private it is instantly better than one which is public. What I'm saying is that rather than paying a tax that goes to pay for every school in the country, why not just choose which school you think is the best and then pay for your children's admission there. Either way your paying for a school, but in one you only have to pay for the service while you use it, and the fact that the school needs students to keep operating motivates them to provide a better service. On the contrary, the purpose of civilization is to bar physical force from social relationships, making it so that if people wish to deal with one another they must do so by mutual consent. A good society allows individuals more privacy, sets them free from other men.[/QUOTE] you're saying "those other socialized programs" as if we know what you're talking about. specify. What program is only used to leech off hard working people because they are incompetent. I'm really curious to know what this horrible but mystical program is. [editline]02:16AM[/editline] [QUOTE=StukovCA;18790766]A thorough discussion of politics and economics on a forum with a mode age of around 14-16, most of whom who have never worked a day in their lives, or had to worry about their own finances. Delicious.[/QUOTE] i'm 18 and I have a job good try though. [editline]02:17AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Novistador;18790685] On the contrary, the purpose of civilization is to bar physical force from social relationships, making it so that if people wish to deal with one another they must do so by mutual consent. A good society allows individuals more privacy, sets them free from other men. In a civilized society, force may only be used in retaliation against those who initiate its use.[/QUOTE] yeah ok, in theory. [editline]02:17AM[/editline] and who is currently taking away your privacy?

18 Years old, champion? Wow, you're practically a sage. Plus a job! Amazing. Tell me, how much is your mortgage again?

it's worth more then your mom [editline]02:25AM[/editline] oh... I thought we were being childish

[QUOTE=Trotsky;18790776] 1) What program is only used to leech off hard working people because they are incompetent. 2)and who is currently taking away your privacy? [/QUOTE] 1) Any program that uses money taken from individuals by force or threat of force(ie taxes) that the government then redistributes among people who did not earn said money, based on the fact that those people have a "need" for it ie, public housing, welfare, public schools, government scholarships. 2) No one really, I live in a mostly capitalist democracy where a charter of rights and freedoms prevents most of my rights from being democratically voted away, I am for the most part happy with the way my society is run. What I was talking about when I said civilizations work towards privacy is that through the abolishment of physical force in relationships, people no longer need to cling to one another for basic survival, we are free to take on whatever roles we please and deal with whoever we want in transactions where we trade value for value.

[QUOTE=Novistador;18790954]1) Any program that uses money taken from individuals by force or threat of force(ie taxes) that the government then redistributes among people who did not earn said money, based on the fact that those people have a "need" for it ie, public housing, welfare, public schools, government scholarships. 2) No one really, I live in a mostly capitalist democracy where a charter of rights and freedoms prevents most of my rights from being democratically voted away, I am for the most part happy with the way my society is run. What I was talking about when I said civilizations work towards privacy is that through the abolishment of physical force in relationships, people no longer need to cling to one another for basic survival, we are free to take on whatever roles we please and deal with whoever we want in transactions where we trade value for value.[/QUOTE] Right, humanity = bad. Good, works for me, I'll just let everyone die.

I like Trotsky.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;18790984]Right, humanity = bad. Good, works for me, I'll just let everyone die.[/QUOTE] There is nothing that says you are obliged to let people die, however there should also be nothing, especially in government, that says you are obliged to take responsiblity for people who have set themselves upon a road of death. If you want to help people, help people, if you don't, don't; government has no business telling you what to do either way.

oh hey it's another teenage lolbertarian who lives off his parents and goes to public schools while decrying people who live off society's assistance [editline]06:39PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Novistador;18791083]There is nothing that says you are obliged to let people die, however there should also be nothing, especially in government, that says you are obliged to take responsiblity for people who have set themselves upon a road of death.[/QUOTE] ROAD OF DEATH lol get over yourself

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18791124] ROAD OF DEATH lol get over yourself[/QUOTE] It was a metaphor, one meant to illustrate that neither I nor anyone else for that matter, have any responsibility, or obligation to provide assistance to someone who has decided not to assist themselves.

[QUOTE=Novistador;18791166]It was a metaphor, one meant to illustrate that I nor anyone else for that matter, has no responsibility, or obligation to provide assistance to someone who has decided not to assist themselves.[/QUOTE] lol, yes, go on thinking that you haven't received society's assistance constantly throughout your life. No man is an island, and no one in any first world country is a self-made man. We've all relied on society to get by.

[QUOTE=Novistador;18791166]It was a metaphor, one meant to illustrate that neither I nor anyone else for that matter, have any responsibility, or obligation to provide assistance to someone who has decided not to assist themselves.[/QUOTE] This is bullshit and you know it. You're all up for receiving shit from the government, but you can't deal with giving it out. Go to Somalia, you're asking for something close to anarchy as it is.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18791239]lol, yes, go on thinking that you haven't received society's assistance constantly throughout your life. No man is an island, and no one in any first world country is a self-made man. We've all relied on society to get by.[/QUOTE] Not really, true there are public, roads, schools, healthcare and so on, but I fail to see how allowing people to choose which of these services they wish to pay for, and receive the benefits of would be any different than a system where the money to pay for these things is taken from people by force weather they use them or not. Except for the difference that the people funding the services aren't being robbed, and the fact that the services can only exist so long as they are profitable and efficient drives them to innovate and be better at what they do. (this is of course assuming they do not conspire to provide substandard services for outrageous prices and put honest competition out of business, but I'm against nationalizing things not regulating them). [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;18791429]This is bullshit and you know it. You're all up for receiving shit from the government, but you can't deal with giving it out. Go to Somalia, you're asking for something close to anarchy as it is.[/QUOTE] It is actually not bullshit and I have no such belief about any of my statements. I have no desire to recive anything that was taken from sombody else by force(stolen) I do not believe in anarchy, such a thing would be silly, as an anarchy; with no police or armed forces, would be at the mercy of the first criminal to pop up. In an anarchy people would have no choice but to form gangs( or tribes) and use physical force in order to keep physical force from being used upon them, they would lose all their independence and their lives would become totally public. What I want is a society that protects (through an armed forces and police force) Individual rights, including an individuals right to the fruits of their own labor.

[QUOTE=Novistador;18790954]1) Any program that uses money taken from individuals by force or threat of force(ie taxes) that the government then redistributes among people who did not earn said money, based on the fact that those people have a "need" for it ie, public housing, welfare, public schools, government scholarships. 2) No one really, I live in a mostly capitalist democracy where a charter of rights and freedoms prevents most of my rights from being democratically voted away, I am for the most part happy with the way my society is run. What I was talking about when I said civilizations work towards privacy is that through the abolishment of physical force in relationships, people no longer need to cling to one another for basic survival, we are free to take on whatever roles we please and deal with whoever we want in transactions where we trade value for value.[/QUOTE] you would LOVE Somalia.

Ron Paul. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0I9t11_dGw[/media]

Unfortunately, it's pretty accurate to most liberals.

[QUOTE=Perfumly;18781959]most conservatives aren't about what the party represents today, but are more about the core fundamentals of it. (More state government, less federal).[/QUOTE] That's not conservatism. That's liberalism. American conservatism is center, though slowly moving to the right.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;18791941]Unfortunately, it's pretty accurate to most liberals.[/QUOTE] no it's not. you don't know what you're talking about as usual.

[QUOTE=Trotsky;18791967]no it's not. you don't know what you're talking about as usual.[/QUOTE] [quote=Boba_Fett] EDIT: I'm not talking to you Trotsky. EDIT: Like, ever. [/quote] I mean it.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;18792048]I mean it.[/QUOTE] [quote]The ACLU (Anti-Christian Liberal Ulcers)[/quote] you make me doubt natural selection

Now now girls play nice

[QUOTE=thisispain;18792159]Now now girls play nice[/QUOTE] i will hit you with my boobs

[QUOTE=Novistador;18790685]What I'm saying is that rather than paying a tax that goes to pay for every school in the country, why not just choose which school you think is the best and then pay for your children's admission there. Either way your paying for a school, but in one you only have to pay for the service while you use it, and the fact that the school needs students to keep operating motivates them to provide a better service.[/QUOTE] Because the vast majority of Americans cannot afford private school, and could not do so even if the measly amount they pay in taxes for education was given to them as a "credit." And you don't pay taxes for every school in the country. Other than a pissy little pittance given at the federal level, the vast majority of funds for schools are raised by state & county taxes, so that people end up paying school funding taxes just for the schools in their community. By pooling resources we can all get more than we could if we bought things individually. It's the concept of buying in bulk, and it should be easy for even the basest moron to understand. What you propose would put us where we were before there was "free" public education - with a huge number of unskilled laborers with no education. And that frankly is not a burden that this country can bear considering how few unskilled jobs we have left now that Republican/Conservative policies have offshored all our manufacturing jobs by making American workers compete with slave laborers in China. [editline]04:13AM[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;18791959]That's not conservatism. That's liberalism. American conservatism is center, though slowly moving to the right.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008[/url] [img]http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries_2008.png[/img] Yeah, turns out you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. [editline]04:15AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Novistador;18791166]It was a metaphor, one meant to illustrate that neither I nor anyone else for that matter, have any responsibility, or obligation to provide assistance to someone who has decided not to assist themselves.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.amptoons.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/libertarian_housepets.png[/img] You are the dog.

[QUOTE=Warren Holzem;18793781] [url]http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008[/url] [img]http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries_2008.png[/img] Yeah, turns out you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.[/QUOTE] turns out the word conservative doesn't apply to the republicans [QUOTE=Warren Holzem;18793781] [img]http://www.amptoons.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/libertarian_housepets.png[/img] You are the dog.[/QUOTE] turns out you are gay

oh lord what have I started.

[QUOTE=thisispain;18794207]turns out the word conservative doesn't apply to the republicans turns out you are gay[/QUOTE] turns out it does turns out libertarians are stupid

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18786962]political opinions? I though we were sharing our political oranges. Gee, thanks for your post, you've really helped me out with that little misunderstanding. [editline]02:52PM[/editline] Actually, in a genuinely communist society, you have the entire cake. You and everyone else in the society shares the entire cake, rather than individuals each having their own piece. That's the main principal of communism: communal ownership. Communal, communism, communal, communism. They sound the same for a reason. You don't really seem to know what you're talking about. [editline]02:53PM[/editline] but culture isn't a "majority take all" thing, and it isn't set in stone either. If some people wanna say happy holidays instead of merry christmas, they can go ahead. I don't see why you have to complain your ass off about it. [editline]02:55PM[/editline] the issue is that that business owner, because of all the money he makes, has disproportional representation in our government. He is more powerful because of his money because he is able to lobby and provide financial incentives for politicians, superseding the whole "one man, one vote" thing.[/QUOTE] Yes, but in a completely communist society, the cake is given out in as many pieces as needed, then much later it grows. This is stupid because everybody should choose how large a piece they want from the cake and then work for that piece. If you want the biggest piece, then you better work to get to the top.

[QUOTE=Earthen;18798484]Yes, but in a completely communist society, the cake is given out in as many pieces as needed, then much later it grows. This is stupid because everybody should choose how large a piece they want from the cake and then work for that piece. If you want the biggest piece, then you better work to get to the top.[/QUOTE] See you say "should" when in reality, it does not work this way. People work to increase the size of the cake, then some rich person poisons you. Welcome to Capitalism. [editline]04:05PM[/editline] and just because you're a selfish bastard does not mean it is good for society.