Extraterrestrials - Here/Real or not? - General

So why haven't they made contact? What the fuck is the point in a journey that dangerous just to sit and look at us from afar? We have never been visited by aliens man, there is literally no point for them to come and see us and not make contact.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36024744]So why haven't they made contact? What the fuck is the point in a journey that dangerous just to sit and look at us from afar?[/QUOTE] .......Because they are not real?

Sorry I thought you were implying that ET was real and had been dropping by every now and again. I really need to get more sleep :smith:

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36024744]What the fuck is the point in a journey that dangerous just to sit and look at us from afar? There is literally no point for them to come and see us and not make contact.[/QUOTE] This reasoning is so stupid because: a) It's impossible for you to think up any scenario where you would want to observe something from a distance instead of jumping right into it (go learn some science). b) You assume that aliens, ETs, intelligent life developed completely separately from humans, use [B]human[/B] logic.

See here's the thing, objective logic is objective logic. There will never be a single alien species that will dive balls first into an unknown situation with another new intelligent life form, NEVER. It's way too risky and frankly they wouldn't be exceptionally intelligent if they done that sort of shit on a regular basis. See the thing is, if they are capable of watching us from a distance then they should do that, not fly all the way over and then observe us. Honestly there's no reason to believe at all, that at any point in the Earths history that we have been visited by aliens, and for anyone who believes they have, I would like to see evidence. [editline]20th May 2012[/editline] Also a good scientist wouldn't jump head first into a situation to learn it, for the simple reason it could be incredibly dangerous.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36025916]See here's the thing, objective logic is objective logic. There will never be a single alien species that will dive balls first into an unknown situation with another new intelligent life form, NEVER. It's way too risky and frankly they wouldn't be exceptionally intelligent if they done that sort of shit on a regular basis.[/QUOTE] I get the impression that first you ask why they haven't contacted us, and then you post a perfectly good answer to it yourself? Make up your mind?

No what I'm wondering is that if ET is real, why would he not sit in orbit or at a distance and observe us, as oppossed to coming down in spaceships? You seem to believe that ET is kicking around on Earth to some degree or is near Earth to some degree so what I'm curious about is the first point and I've not yet got a satisfactory answer to it.

I always heard that a person's eye color, genes can describe which star cluster the person originated from. Like ice blue is from Pleiades?

It would be kinda funny to land on another exoplanet because then we would have to write a new set of books of biology/geography/etc. :v: Or just add to ours, but seeing as how we haven't even fully researched our own planet, it would be quite a chore to fully research an entire another planet.

[QUOTE=Jookia;36022479]Isn't it odd how computers just popped up after 6000 years of not having computers?[/QUOTE] You mean, computers popped up after about 4 billions years of no computers? On this planet anyway. But yeah it is a bit odd. Humans and technology are blooming like no other, like never before.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;36030643]You mean, computers popped up after about 4 billions years of no computers? On this planet anyway. But yeah it is a bit odd. Humans and technology are blooming like no other, like never before.[/QUOTE] Isn't it odd how earth popped up after 9.7 billion years of no earth?

[QUOTE=danharibo;36030857]Isn't it odd how earth popped up after 9.7 billion years of no earth?[/QUOTE] Well no, or maybe it is, but that wasn't the point. Also what you said is kind of flawed because many earths have formed, or are in the process of forming out into a planet, or are vaporizing away. But computers, I don't think there many computers outside of our planet. Or maybe if the conditions are right, like on our planet, the evolution will create computers, like on our planet.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36027024]No what I'm wondering is that if ET is real, why would he not sit in orbit or at a distance and observe us, as oppossed to coming down in spaceships? You seem to believe that ET is kicking around on Earth to some degree or is near Earth to some degree so what I'm curious about is the first point and I've not yet got a satisfactory answer to it.[/QUOTE] He has no answer and, unfortunately, nothing you say to him will change his mind. Notice how he ignored my entire post and the second half of your post because he was unable to refute the content. He will either abandon the thread once he has run out of UFO rhetoric to spew or he will continue to pick the parts of your posts which lack a 100% explanation and will attempt to question or debate those points.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;36030643]You mean, computers popped up after about 4 billions years of no computers? On this planet anyway. But yeah it is a bit odd. Humans and technology are blooming like no other, like never before.[/QUOTE] Google the Inference Engine, it was a completely mechanical computer. And computers are just complex systems of on-off switches, like the brain but without the ability to have multiple inputs per switch. [editline]21st May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bat-shit;36033112]Well no, or maybe it is, but that wasn't the point. Also what you said is kind of flawed because many earths have formed, or are in the process of forming out into a planet, or are vaporizing away. But computers, I don't think there many computers outside of our planet. Or maybe if the conditions are right, like on our planet, the evolution will create computers, like on our planet.[/QUOTE] There's only one Earth and that's our current home, exoplanets are not Earth despite much you would like to philosophically link them. And he's right, it's 9 billion or so years since the Earth formed, it's been 4 billion since life began.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;36034869]He has no answer and, unfortunately, nothing you say to him will change his mind. Notice how he ignored my entire post and the second half of your post because he was unable to refute the content. He will either abandon the thread once he has run out of UFO rhetoric to spew or he will continue to pick the parts of your posts which lack a 100% explanation and will attempt to question or debate those points.[/QUOTE] I feel like I've been repeating myself for 11 pages, but don't worry, I'll get to it eventually. [QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36040158] And he's right, it's 9 billion or so years since the Earth formed, it's been 4 billion since life began.[/QUOTE] You're off by ~100 % on something that takes 2 seconds to google. Smooth. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth[/url]

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;36040376]I feel like I've been repeating myself for 11 pages, but don't worry, I'll get to it eventually.[/quote] Yes, that's the thing. You've only been repeating your self. You've made no points, you've shown no evidence, no facts and the facts you claim are facts are wrong, which King Tiger exposed, you've ignored all the parts you don't know and don't have an answer for. So unless you are going to start giving us hard evidence and not theories which you have no evidence to back up with other than "It makes sense" (which it doesn't), please stop posting.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36040158]Google the Inference Engine, it was a completely mechanical computer. And computers are just complex systems of on-off switches, like the brain but without the ability to have multiple inputs per switch. [editline]21st May 2012[/editline] There's only one Earth and that's our current home, exoplanets are not Earth despite much you would like to philosophically link them. And he's right, it's 9 billion or so years since the Earth formed, it's been 4 billion since life began.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's because we've named it Earth, or something. But much like our Sun is a star among billions of other stars. They don't differ from each other much. And when you have a planet that is under pretty much the same conditions as our Earth, the two will also be similar. So one would expect anyway. Then there's life which grows diverse, but obviously no one can say exactly how diverse can life grow because we can't compare our [i]animalia[/i] to any other.. [editline]21st May 2012[/editline] Or would the animals on another planet be part of the same animalia as ours? I guess they would be if they shared the same type of biology as we do, cells and membranes that is.

The odds that in a universe this big that there's no other life forms anywhere seems extremely slim. There's life somewhere else, just not intelligent. There has to be.

Killer's two cents: Aliens have a 99.9% chance of being real, but they are most likely not 'intelligent' and most likely have not visited Earth. Maybe in the future we'll make contact with intelligent extra terrestrial life, but I doubt it will happen in our or the next generation.

This is a really cool video of recent 2012 sightings. Shows that UFOs are far from an American phenomenon only. You know how people talk about 2012 being the end of the world? Well, it is really a misinterpretation. It's not the end of the world, it's the transition into a new age! Could 2012 really be the year when aliens finally decide to contact us? Is it time for Earth to enter the space age? 2012 has so far been unusally filled with very good sightings. Whatever you believe, you must ask yourselves: [B]What the hell is going on? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGU8IPRmxzg[/media][/B]

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;36176033]This is a really cool video of recent 2012 sightings. Shows that UFOs are far from an American phenomenon only. You know how people talk about 2012 being the end of the world? Well, it is really a misinterpretation. It's not the end of the world, it's the transition into a new age! Could 2012 really be the year when aliens finally decide to contact us? Is it time for Earth to enter the space age? 2012 has so far been unusally filled with very good sightings. Whatever you believe, you must ask yourselves: [B]What the hell is going on? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGU8IPRmxzg[/media][/B][/QUOTE] Mr Plinkett?

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;36176033]This is a really cool video of recent 2012 sightings. Shows that UFOs are far from an American phenomenon only. You know how people talk about 2012 being the end of the world? Well, it is really a misinterpretation. It's not the end of the world, it's the transition into a new age! Could 2012 really be the year when aliens finally decide to contact us? Is it time for Earth to enter the space age? 2012 has so far been unusally filled with very good sightings. Whatever you believe, you must ask yourselves: [B]What the hell is going on? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGU8IPRmxzg[/media][/B][/QUOTE] You are honestly nuts. Sorry. You have yet to provide any evidence at all for extraterrestrial presence on Earth.

Do they exist? Probably. Have they visited Earth? I doubt that they would waste time doing absolutely nothing but scaring the shit out of random people. Why would they waste fuel to just float around our planet?

[QUOTE=King Tiger;36178030]You are honestly nuts. Sorry. You have yet to provide any evidence at all for extraterrestrial presence on Earth.[/QUOTE] I have never claimed that!

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;36179434]I have never claimed that![/QUOTE] What have you been talking about for the entire thread then?

[QUOTE=King Tiger;36178030]You are honestly nuts. Sorry. [B]You have yet to provide any evidence at all for extraterrestrial presence on Earth.[/B][/QUOTE] This. [QUOTE=Rad McCool;36179434]I have never claimed that![/QUOTE] Lolwut? Yes you have, dozens of times.

[QUOTE=Robbi;36185656]Lolwut? Yes you have, dozens of times.[/QUOTE] No. Never. I am extremely sceptical to the whole ETs-visiting-us deal. The difference with you and me is that I don't flat out refuse to acknowledge that a UFO phenomen exist and I certainly don't think that ETs here is an impossibility by any means.

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;36186921]No. Never. I am extremely sceptical to the whole ETs-visiting-us deal. The difference with you and me is that I don't flat out refuse to acknowledge that a UFO phenomen exist and I certainly don't think that ETs here is an impossibility by any means.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=King Tiger;36178030]You are honestly nuts. Sorry.[/QUOTE] I'm just going to leave it at that. But I don't flat out refuse it. I just want evidence. You, however, want to believe without evidence. Shaky amateur cameras are not evidence.

[QUOTE=danharibo;36030857]Isn't it odd how earth popped up after 9.7 billion years of no earth?[/QUOTE] No. What? Earth didn't just "pop" up out of nowhere. The thing about the computers popping up is that just recently in human civilization are we becoming advanced enough to make such devices. No shit we didn't have computers billions of years ago, first of all because there were no humans we know of today, and even if there were, they weren't nearly as advanced as we are today.

[QUOTE=Blazyd;36202659]The thing about the computers popping up is that just recently in human civilization are we becoming advanced enough to make such devices.[/QUOTE] Not true. The intelligence of man and the evolution of the human brain has remain unchanged for virtually hundred thousand years. We owe this sudden computer boom to the discovery of the transistor.