Extraterrestrials - Here/Real or not? - General

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;36225916]Not true. The intelligence of man and the evolution of the human brain has remain unchanged for virtually hundred thousand years. We owe this sudden computer boom to the discovery of the transistor.[/QUOTE] Are you serious? We as a species have only existed for about 200,000 years and you're seriously trying to say we haven't improved at all in a hundred thousand years when we just accomplished behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago? I thought a rule of this section was that you couldn't just state your opinion as fact...

i beleive that while there are probably aliens in the universe they have probably not visited us. My theory: The universe is so large and thus the possibility of another condition like earths existing maybe 75% that then there is maybe a 25% possibility of life on those planets. But, because of the insane size of the universe and not much commonly accepted evidence of alien visitation, that aliens could take eons to get here of evolve the technology that the earth will not be here anymore, due to the state of the sun and the fact that the earth is probably pretty close to armaggeadon already it is not very likely aliens will ever see a living human being.

[QUOTE=Odellus;36226942]Are you serious? We as a species have only existed for about 200,000 years and you're seriously trying to say we haven't improved at all in a hundred thousand years when we just accomplished behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago?[/QUOTE] No, I'm saying that the evolution of the brain and intelligence has remained unchanged - even if it was used at less capacity back then. From a biological viewpoint: humans are not more complex or advanced today!

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;36231834]No, I'm saying that the evolution of the brain and intelligence has remained unchanged - even if it was used at less capacity back then. From a biological viewpoint: humans are not more complex or advanced today![/QUOTE] true we've mentally evolved into something intelligent but well most of the humans. With religion spreading ignorance that doesnt help. So if aliens do visit us they wont be to interested because we are a boring creature.

Is it possible that aliens can talk on our language if they are that intelligent?

[QUOTE=confinedUser;36233237]...they wont be to interested because we are a boring creature.[/QUOTE] Are we really that boring? We're a completely unique kind on an Earth with hundreds of millions of species. [QUOTE=ichiman94;36233498]Is it possible that aliens can talk on our language if they are that intelligent?[/QUOTE] Abductees frequently report that aliens don't use their mouths for speaking, but that they communicate telepathically. It is likely that vocal speech will disappear eventually. In the future we might not use our mouths for speech at all, since it's such a primitive and stupid design, and because there are more effective ways to communicate. Telepathy [I]will[/I] become a reality - and when I say telepathy, I mean it in a practical sense, as in there will be technology to give the same effect. PS. This is a very entertaining watch - regardless of what you believe! It's about an alien "response" the the message we sent out from the Arecibo a while ago. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMqLp50lBIc[/media] I like one comment: [I]"If this was a genuine attempt at communication we would still dismiss it." [/I] - think about it!

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;36231834]No, I'm saying that the evolution of the brain and intelligence has remained unchanged - even if it was used at less capacity back then. From a biological viewpoint: humans are not more complex or advanced today![/QUOTE] That's bullshit and you know it. Every source I can find states that we have evolved (biologically) since we came into existence, and even at that it's pretty obvious we have. Evolution doesn't just go "I feel like changing something", it's a gradual process. As for the extraterrestrials, yes they exist and yes they've almost certainly visited or are visiting the Earth. The universe is just too massive and too old for species much older than us to have not found other intelligent creatures.

[QUOTE=Odellus;36239831] As for the extraterrestrials, yes they exist and yes they've almost certainly visited or are visiting the Earth. The universe is just too massive and too old for species much older than us to have not found other intelligent creatures.[/QUOTE] Why do you say that? Where do you get your evidence so you can claim such a thing that they are real and they are here?

[QUOTE=Robbi;36239927]Why do you say that? Where do you get your evidence so you can claim such a thing that they are real and they are here?[/QUOTE] Discovery of planets much like Earth that are relatively close to us. I'm not saying those planets are home to the extraterrestrials that may or may not have visited us, but it's proof that the same conditions under which all life was created on our planet exist elsewhere. It would be extremely ignorant to think that we are the only life bearing planet in the entirety of the universe. I didn't say they are here, by the way.

[QUOTE=Odellus;36239831] Every source I can find states that we have evolved (biologically) since we came into existence, and even at that it's pretty obvious we have. Evolution doesn't just go "I feel like changing something", it's a gradual process.[/QUOTE] I know how evolution works. That's why I wrote [I]virtually[/I] unchanged, as in no change biologically significant.

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;36243572]I know how evolution works. That's why I wrote [I]virtually[/I] unchanged, as in no change biologically significant.[/QUOTE] If you make your trolling any more apparent you're going to end up getting banned. Good luck.

You fuck up => me trolling. What? How?

[QUOTE=Odellus;36240038]I'm not saying those planets are home to the extraterrestrials that may or may not have visited us[/QUOTE] But you just did... [QUOTE=Odellus;36240038]but it's proof that the same conditions under which all life was created on our planet exist elsewhere.[/QUOTE] How is it proof to anything? We don't even know if the planet, for example Kepler 22b which I assume you are talking about, has an atmosphere. [QUOTE=Odellus;36240038]It would be extremely ignorant to think that we are the only life bearing planet in the entirety of the universe.[/QUOTE] Yes, but it's also extremely ignorant to say that there is life because at the moment we have no idea, no evidence to back that claim up. So I will just go for we don't know. [QUOTE=Odellus;36240038]I didn't say they are here, by the way.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Odellus;36239831]As for the extraterrestrials, [B]yes they exist[/B] and [B]yes they've almost certainly visited[/B] or [B]are visiting the Earth[/B].[/QUOTE] lol

[QUOTE=Robbi;36245497]But you just did... How is it proof to anything? We don't even know if the planet, for example Kepler 22b which I assume you are talking about, has an atmosphere. Yes, but it's also extremely ignorant to say that there is life because at the moment we have no idea, no evidence to back that claim up. So I will just go for we don't know. lol[/QUOTE] Almost certainly isn't the same as certainly. My opinions on this matter are that there probably exists life elsewhere in the universe. All the current laws of physics that are acknowledged speak of a universe that is immensely huge and is a product of some random event rather than design. It'd be foolish to think that we're the only ones. That's something for religion. I find it impossible to form an opinion whether they have been here, are here or have not yet been here as it is so easy for anyone educated to fake such a thing. Real life effects or videos. I also think that there is no reason at all for then to look anything like a human. Small differences in climate during the early stages of development should lead to huge differences compared to what we look like.

Referring the the number one rule of this section: [QUOTE=garry;32374814] One rule I would like to enforce is that if you're debating and state something as a fact - if challenged you need to produce proof. If you can't you get banned. [/QUOTE] I want you to produce proof of your statements that I have [B]bolded[/B]: [QUOTE=Rad McCool;36243572]I know how evolution works. That's why I wrote [I]virtually[/I] unchanged, [B]as in no change biologically significant.[/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rad McCool;36225916]Not true. The intelligence of man and the evolution of the human brain has [B]remain unchanged for virtually hundred thousand years[/B]. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rad McCool;36231834]No, I'm saying that the evolution of the brain and intelligence has remained unchanged - even if it was used at less capacity back then. [B]From a biological viewpoint: humans are not more complex or advanced today![/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=kp3;36249805]Almost certainly isn't the same as certainly.[/QUOTE] Its almost the same. [QUOTE=kp3;36249805]My opinions on this matter are that there probably exists life elsewhere in the universe. [/QUOTE] Yes, probably, but maybe not. We don't know. [QUOTE=kp3;36249805]It'd be foolish to think that we're the only ones.[/QUOTE] Why? We have no evidence to back up that there is life out there and we don't have any evidence that there is none. It's not foolish to think anything at this stage. [QUOTE=Swebonny;36253103]I want you to produce proof of your statements that I have [B]bolded[/B]:[/QUOTE] <3

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;36243946]You fuck up => me trolling. What? How?[/QUOTE] people like you are why the fucking ufo phenomenon is ridiculed.

Of course aliens are real, evolution, terraforming throughout our planet is proof of that; although these crop circles and what not are probably not real.

[QUOTE=Matt-;36257702]Of course aliens are real, evolution, terraforming throughout our planet is proof of that; although these crop circles and what not are probably not real.[/QUOTE] There is no proof that aliens exist, none whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36257755]There is no proof that aliens exist, none whatsoever.[/QUOTE] Apart from the trillions of galaxies each with their own billion solar systems each with their own planets. There is an extremely high chance that these planets have terraformed into something livable ( we've already identified planets that can sustain some carbon organisms in another galaxy ), and that organisms have evolved, even into single cell organisms, it's still extraterrestrial.

[QUOTE=Matt-;36257793]Apart from the trillions of galaxies each with their own billion solar systems each with their own planets. There is an [b]extremely high chance[/b] that these planets have terraformed into something livable ( we've already identified planets that can sustain some carbon organisms in another galaxy ), and that organisms have evolved, even into single cell organisms, it's still extraterrestrial.[/QUOTE] Yup and as of now all we have is the likelihood that there is life out there, whether or not that life is intelligent or even something we can comprehend is all up in the air. Don't ever say there is proof if there isn't proof, otherwise you need to cite sources and back it up.

[QUOTE=lotusking;36257638]people like you are why the fucking ufo phenomenon is ridiculed.[/QUOTE] Explain, please. [QUOTE=Matt-;36257793]Apart from the trillions of galaxies each with their own billion solar systems each with their own planets. There is an extremely high chance that these planets have terraformed into something livable ( [B]we've already identified planets that can sustain some carbon organisms in another [I]galaxy[/I][/B] ), and that organisms have evolved, even into single cell organisms, it's still extraterrestrial.[/QUOTE] You have no idea what you're talking about. [QUOTE=Swebonny;36253103]I want you to produce proof of your statements that I have [B]bolded[/B]:[/QUOTE] [quote="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_modernity#Timing"] [B]Great leap forward[/B] Advocates of this theory argue that the great leap forward occurred sometime between [B]50-40 kya[/B] in Africa or Europe. [...] According to this model, the emergence of [B]anatomically modern humans[/B] predates the emergence of behaviorally modern humans by [B]over 100 kya.[/B] [B]Continuity hypothesis[/B] Proponents of the continuity hypothesis hold that no single genetic or biological change is responsible for the appearance of modern behavior. Continuity theorists base their assertions on evidence of aspects of modern behavior that can be seen in the Middle Stone Age (approximately[B] 250 - 50 kya[/B]) at a number of sites in Africa and the Levant. For example, a ritual burial with grave goods at Qafzeh is Middle Stone Age (MSA) having been dated to 90 kya. The usage of pigment is noted at several MSA sites in Africa dating back more than 100 kya. [/quote] Why are you bugging me with this when it has next to nothing to do with the topic of the thread? And why must I bring forth evidence, but not the person who originally made the claim?

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;36258397]Why are you bugging me with this when it has next to nothing to do with the topic of the thread? And why must I bring forth evidence, but not the person who originally made the claim?[/QUOTE] I'm guessing because you make a lot of claims without evidence or backing them up with something.

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;36258397]Explain, please. You have no idea what you're talking about. Why are you bugging me with this when it has next to nothing to do with the topic of the thread? And why must I bring forth evidence, but not the person who originally made the claim?[/QUOTE] If you have read the rules then you would understand that this is a section where we want to post reasonably, with each argument and statement backed up by scientific data. You statements made no sense to me, especially since you didn't refer to anything, seemingly taking them from thin air. Taking a freaking hypothesis for granted and as facts has no place in this section. And why does it matter who I ask for evidence? I should be able to ask anyone here for evidence and they should produce it for me. In this case you made the statements, and I asked you to back them. If you see someone saying stupid things, then ask him for evidence, if he can't produce it report him or PM a mod.

It's literally impossible for us to be alone in the universe. I doubt the other races are advanced enough to make contact tho. [QUOTE=Rad McCool;36258397]-stuff-[/QUOTE] [img]http://doctorwendigo.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/big-bosses-mgs1-liquid-snake1.jpg?w=655[/img] [b]BRRRRRROTHER[/b] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This is NOT how you debate" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

No, and there probably won't be for a long time. Our broadcasts have only gone something like 80 LY, which probably isn't enough. It's hard enough to tell if earth even has intelligent life from "space", we might as well not exist. I'm in Neil Degrasse Tyson's camp with this.. if aliens came here and crashed, I don't want to meet stupid aliens. What a load of shit. So your aliens can cross interstellar space but can't enter an atmosphere and land on some desert flats or something?

[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;36261279]It's literally impossible for us to be alone in the universe.[/QUOTE] No, it's not. Why would you draw such a conclusion when we have yet to find any ET life? [QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;36261279] [b]BRRRRRROTHER[/b][/QUOTE] Lol, who's that? [QUOTE=fox '09;36261411] What a load of shit. So your aliens can cross interstellar space but can't enter an atmosphere and land on some desert flats or something?[/QUOTE] This is like looking at Earth and saying "They can fly to the moon? But they can't even drive cars!" and using that as "proof" that humans are not capable of space travel because you see a car in a ditch somewhere.

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;36262889]No, it's not. Why would you draw such a conclusion when we have yet to find any ET life?[/quote] The universe is more or less incomprehensibly huge. We are a one in a million, but there's just too many planets in the universe to be alone. [QUOTE=Rad McCool;36262889]Lol, who's that?[/quote] It's just MOTHERFUCKING [b]LIQUID SNAKE[/b] FUCK YEAH

[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;36264829]The universe is more or less incomprehensibly huge. We are a one in a million, but there's just too many planets in the universe to be alone.[/QUOTE] Do you know what "literally" actually means? [editline]10th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;36264829] It's just MOTHERFUCKING [b]LIQUID SNAKE[/b] FUCK YEAH[/QUOTE] Haha man why have you got such a similar nick? [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Alt of Bob Sagat" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Rad McCool;36265125]Haha man why have you got such a similar nick?[/QUOTE] Totally related to the discussion.