[QUOTE=King Tiger;37027671]I am making no claims. I am asking people who say they are "sure" that alien life exists to give some sort of proof or evidence.[/QUOTE]
Why wouldn't you make a wild guess, or claim something that realistically makes sense? (I.E. that we are the proof, or so.)
It's not like you are going to live long enough for someone to give you that solid evidence of alien-life anyway. (which is likely to be out there somewhere)
That's the whole fascinating mystery of it. Or maybe you are not even that interested in the subject? If so, what are you even doing here, asking for evidence that you know none of us have?
[QUOTE=King Tiger;37027671]I am making no claims. I am asking people who say they are "sure" that alien life exists to give some sort of proof or evidence.[/QUOTE]
The galaxy is a very vast place, a lot greater than any human could understand. Imagine all those billions of galaxies inside a very, very large vacuum. It would be illogical to think that life elsewhere wouldn't be a definite, the sheer size of the universe is enough evidence in itself.
[QUOTE=Leader of Me;37029673]The galaxy is a very vast place, a lot greater than any human could understand. Imagine all those billions of galaxies inside a very, very large vacuum. It would be illogical to think that life elsewhere wouldn't be a definite, the sheer size of the universe is enough evidence in itself.[/QUOTE]
Except that technically is not evidence. People use similar assumptions to 'prove' a god. I am not comparing the two claims, aliens are far more likely.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;37029033]Why wouldn't you make a wild guess, or claim something that realistically makes sense? (I.E. that we are the proof, or so.)
It's not like you are going to live long enough for someone to give you that solid evidence of alien-life anyway. (which is likely to be out there somewhere)
That's the whole fascinating mystery of it. Or maybe you are not even that interested in the subject? If so, what are you even doing here, asking for evidence that you know none of us have?[/QUOTE]
That's precisely why he is asking. It's extremely interesting to people who spend their lives studying this because nobody has presented definitive evidence.
Why should he censor himself from asking for evidence? How else would one determine whether extraterrestrial life exists? I really don't see anything wrong with his post.
I believe that extraterrestrials exist. Maybe not complex multicellular ones... maybe not even eukaryotic. But of all of the galaxies we have discovered (and the far greater amount of the ones we haven't), there should be other life somewhere in there.
You see, time is really vast. We are but a crappy little spec in the (possibly infinite) timeline of the universe. Maybe in another trillion years or so, we may not exist, but other lifeforms would begin to evolve in other unreachable planets.
[QUOTE=KD007;37066351]I believe that extraterrestrials exist. Maybe not complex multicellular ones... maybe not even eukaryotic. But of all of the galaxies we have discovered (and the far greater amount of the ones we haven't), there should be other life somewhere in there.
You see, time is really vast. We are but a crappy little spec in the (possibly infinite) timeline of the universe. [b]Maybe in another trillion years or so, we may not exist[/b], but other lifeforms would begin to evolve in other unreachable planets.[/QUOTE]
Maybe?
[QUOTE=Falubii;37069687]Maybe?[/QUOTE]
We could exist that far into the future, but by then we would probably have evolved to point that homo sapiens would be a distant ancestor.
[QUOTE=Yumyumbublegum;37072478]We could exist that far into the future, but by then we would probably have evolved to point that homo sapiens would be a distant ancestor.[/QUOTE]
Highly unlikely. But even if we did, that was my point.
Hm...Due to the extreme vastness of the universe, I have no doubt that extraterrestrials exist. However, to say that they are among us, I'd say is much more unlikely.
Just be using the Drake Equation, we can deduce that the chance of there being extraterrestrial life is absolutely massive, but the real concern is how much of a fluke it all is. There's a book - its name escapes me now. The Goldilocks Theory, I think? It simply asks 'Why is the Universe just right for life to exist?' The consensus now is that it was a largely pot luck and the odds of there being a completely lifeless, and even empty universe was higher. But, we'll never actually have evidence of anything. The nearest planet capable of supporting life is so far away we'll probably never reach it before our inevitable extinction.
For now, we'll have to stick to the mathematics.
[QUOTE=RubberFruit;37112017]Just be using the Drake's Equation, we can deduce that the chance of there being extraterrestrial life is absolutely massive, but the real concern is how much of a fluke it all is. There's a book - its name escapes me now. The Goldilocks Theory, I think? It simply asks 'Why is the Universe just right for life to exist?' The consensus now is that it was a largely pot luck and the odds of there being a completely lifeless, and even empty universe was higher. But, we'll never actually have evidence of anything. The nearest planet capable of supporting life is so far away we'll probably never reach it before our inevitable extinction.
For now, we'll have to stick to the mathematics.[/QUOTE]
The Drake Equation relies heavily on guesswork, you can't really draw any conclusions from it.
[QUOTE=Yumyumbublegum;37112251]The Drake Equation relies heavily on guesswork, you can't really draw any conclusions from it.[/QUOTE]
Well, is there anything better? SETI?!
There's no conclusive evidence yet. That's why we are searching.
[QUOTE=Yumyumbublegum;37072478]We could exist that far into the future, but by then we would probably have evolved to point that homo sapiens would be a distant ancestor.[/QUOTE]
I doubt we'd even resemble anything similar to homo sapiens in a trillion years.
That's give or take about 1000 times the age of the universe as we know it, and we allegedly evolved from short, sturdy monkey-like men, to tall, (slightly weaker), more intelligent, more innovative beings with complex cultural capacities in just 200,000,000 years or so.
Hell, give humanity a trillion years, we'd might as well look like superbrained elephant dinosaur birds.
It would be saddening to learn we're a race of it's own kind, and that the rest of the universe's life comprises of Extraterrestrial bacteria and minimally complex animal forms.
But who knows, there may be species like humans. Maybe even closely similar to us in appearance and anatomy.
But remember, we always view intelligent beings as looking like us. Bipedal, High ape face structure, workable hands.
Take for example elephants. It wouldn't be so far fetched to even say there could be some form of highly intelligent bipedal animals with no means of mechanically innovating with their intelligence.
It may be depressing to think we are alone, but it's exciting to think that although we as the type of species we are, are one of a kind, human thought scale intelligent life may be able form in different designs than just that of us humans.
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;37119338]I doubt we'd even resemble anything similar to homo sapiens in a trillion years.
That's give or take about 1000 times the age of the universe as we know it, and we allegedly evolved from short, sturdy monkey-like men, to tall, (slightly weaker), more intelligent, more innovative beings with complex cultural capacities in just 200,000,000 years or so.
Hell, give humanity a trillion years, we'd might as well look like superbrained elephant dinosaur birds.
It would be saddening to learn we're a race of it's own kind, and that the rest of the universe's life comprises of Extraterrestrial bacteria and minimally complex animal forms.
But who knows, there may be species like humans. Maybe even closely similar to us in appearance and anatomy.
But remember, we always view intelligent beings as looking like us. Bipedal, High ape face structure, workable hands.
Take for example elephants. It wouldn't be so far fetched to even say there could be some form of highly intelligent bipedal animals with no means of mechanically innovating with their intelligence.
It may be depressing to think we are alone, but it's exciting to think that although we as the type of species we are, are one of a kind, human thought scale intelligent life may be able form in different designs than just that of us humans.[/QUOTE]
In far fewer than a trillion years, we may have the sufficient technology to re-arrange the human mainframe ourselves. We've come this far in only about 20,000 years, what could we do with a trillion? Hmm.
[QUOTE=RubberFruit;37120533]In far fewer than a trillion years, we may have the sufficient technology to re-arrange the human mainframe ourselves. We've come this far in only about 20,000 years, what could we do with a trillion? Hmm.[/QUOTE]
We might not even survive for a trillion years.
And as for any further evolving, it's probably going to be much slower because our history is long and our biology is very very cohesive with the world around us, so to speak.
The chances of aliens visiting us are low, yes.
But who knows what they are made of? They might have landed here and are made of a different kind of material. Perhaps a material that breaks light/lets it through, thus them being invisible?
Mad theories, indeed.
[QUOTE=erkor;37123038]The chances of aliens visiting us are low, yes.
But who knows what they are made of? They might have landed here and are made of a different kind of material. Perhaps a material that breaks light/lets it through, thus them being invisible?
Mad theories, indeed.[/QUOTE]
i wish i could break light
There is such a thing as life on other planets, but I doubt there are animal/human like aliens on other planets.
[QUOTE=Rocko's;37128753]There is such a thing as life on other planets, but I doubt there are animal/human like aliens on other planets.[/QUOTE]
Proof please
Well, I'd like to bump this thread.
I don't think they are here, I know they are here. There is too much evidence to ignore or cover up the fact that they do exsist.
Statistically, there are billions of stars in just this one galaxy, with billions of galaxies in our known universe. Since we have found earth like planets already on neighboring stars, what is to say that one of those isn't much different from ours.
I have listened to a lot of Dr. Steven Greer's lectures (look him up) where he states his opinion and backs it up with credible evidence from ex Government officials on his UFO disclosure lectures.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk[/media]
I personally believe in extraterrestrial lifeforms.
There are billions of "planets" so to speak, not just in our galaxy (of course), so it's basically just stupid to think that no life exists out of earth.
For all we know, they may have developed mind warping machines that allow them to control us. It's possible.
where else did the jews came from?
they aare the ancielt aliens man that made the pyramids
Other life forms exist, they might take curiosity but they most likely would either have conquered us by now or follow the whole Star Trek Federation rules where you let civilizations self determinant.
If they're here already, why don't they just land on the white house lawn?
Maybe we're too barbaric?
Think about it. Spore, Star Wars... all that shit... All those empires in the games/movies control multiple planets in multiple star systems with little revolt or other socioeconomic problems.
Why would they want to visit a race...
which controlls one star system...
which occupies only one planet....
and we can barely keep our shit together now between all the wars and disasters!
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;37119338]I doubt we'd even resemble anything similar to homo sapiens in a trillion years.
That's give or take about 1000 times the age of the universe as we know it, and we allegedly evolved from short, sturdy monkey-like men, to tall, (slightly weaker), more intelligent, more innovative beings with complex cultural capacities in just 200,000,000 years or so.
Hell, give humanity a trillion years, we'd might as well look like superbrained elephant dinosaur birds.
It would be saddening to learn we're a race of it's own kind, and that the rest of the universe's life comprises of Extraterrestrial bacteria and minimally complex animal forms.
But who knows, there may be species like humans. Maybe even closely similar to us in appearance and anatomy.
But remember, we always view intelligent beings as looking like us. Bipedal, High ape face structure, workable hands.
Take for example elephants. It wouldn't be so far fetched to even say there could be some form of highly intelligent bipedal animals with no means of mechanically innovating with their intelligence.
It may be depressing to think we are alone, but it's exciting to think that although we as the type of species we are, are one of a kind, [B]human thought scale intelligent life may be able form in different designs than just that of us humans.[/B][/QUOTE]
Not sure if interpreting you correctly but I like the notion you raise that we consider intelligent life to be in our reflection, something that could easily be finitely unique to our evolutionary traits. It definitely reveals how shallow-minded the human psyche really is.
I think that it is near impossible for extra terrestrials to visit us, they would have to go through the giant sphere of asteroid surrounding our solar system, and even harder to get through the Kuiper belt which surrounds the solar system partially, so unless ET wants to be destroyed, then it's a bad idea to even go near earth or the solar system.
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[QUOTE=RubberFruit;37120533]In far fewer than a trillion years, we may have the sufficient technology to re-arrange the human mainframe ourselves. We've come this far in only about 20,000 years, what could we do with a trillion? Hmm.[/QUOTE]
In a deeply far fewer than a trillion years the sun would have gone out by then. so we only have about 10 billion years to get out.
[QUOTE=andololol;37398115]I think that it is near impossible for extra terrestrials to visit us, they would have to go through the giant sphere of asteroid surrounding our solar system, and even harder to get through the Kuiper belt which surrounds the solar system partially, so unless ET wants to be destroyed, then it's a bad idea to even go near earth or the solar system.
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In a deeply far fewer than a trillion years the sun would have gone out by then. so we only have about 10 billion years to get out.[/QUOTE]
If they had the technology to get to out solar system then navigating an asteroid field wouldn't be too difficult for them.
[QUOTE=andololol;37398115]In a deeply far fewer than a trillion years the sun would have gone out by then. so we only have about 10 billion years to get out.[/QUOTE]
Yep, and technologies have blossomed like no other during the last.. 50 years. And 10 billion years left.
[QUOTE=andololol;37398115]I think that it is near impossible for extra terrestrials to visit us, they would have to go through the giant sphere of asteroid surrounding our solar system, and even harder to get through the Kuiper belt which surrounds the solar system partially, so unless ET wants to be destroyed, then it's a bad idea to even go near earth or the solar system.
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In a deeply far fewer than a trillion years the sun would have gone out by then. so we only have about 10 billion years to get out.[/QUOTE]
solution: go in a highly inclined capture orbit and forget about the asteroid belt.
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