[QUOTE=Jookia;34524028]Your post scares me. Do by any chance maintain timecube.com?
No I do not. My post scares you? A little mellow dramatic isn't it?
That doesn't mean proof for them exists. Believing without evidence is wrong.
Ok I admit it's not a "dead certain" that there's other intelligent life out there, but when you look at the mathematical probability supporting the case it you can only conclude there has to be!
Why not? Because there's no evidence of it happening, nor that aliens exist. Two major road barriers.[/QUOTE]
Evidence is what you make it, because some sci fi nut for example will see every little thing "out the ordinary" as proof of Alien visitation, BUT there are also a lot of people out there that will refuse to believe any "evidence" regardless of its credibility.
IN MY OPINION there is a lot of evidence to suggest Earth has been visited in the past. Through out history many civilisations have documented (through art etc) aerial phenomenon which did not "blend in" with that time periods technological capabilities. Think about it, ancient civilisations had only ever seen birds flying, yet they can depict craft which resemble modern day aircraft. How would they've been able to have done that, with such remarkable resemblance. How would they depict a plane/helicopter if they had never saw it??? Look at the picture below, note clear resemblances to a helicopter, a jet/plane and a space shuttle??
[IMG]http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/images2/artifacts/Egypt_Planes.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=**EXCALIBUR**;34535669]Evidence is what you make it, because some sci fi nut for example will see every little thing "out the ordinary" as proof of Alien visitation, BUT there are also a lot of people out there that will refuse to believe any "evidence" regardless of its credibility.[/QUOTE]
No. Evidence is something that supports a testable hypothesis. In this case that aliens exist.
[QUOTE=**EXCALIBUR**;34535669]IN MY OPINION there is a lot of evidence to suggest Earth has been visited in the past. Through out history many civilisations have documented (through art etc) aerial phenomenon which did not "blend in" with that time periods technological capabilities. Think about it, ancient civilisations had only ever seen birds flying, yet they can depict craft which resemble modern day aircraft. How would they've been able to have done that, with such remarkable resemblance. How would they depict a plane/helicopter if they had never saw it??? Look at the picture below, note clear resemblances to a helicopter, a jet/plane and a space shuttle??[/QUOTE]
I guess that does look kind of like things we have these days if you squint hard enough, not just a bunch of sea life. But what are the weird boxes that look kind of like Stonehenge? I could interpret all that as World War 2 nuclear scare stuff. Planes, small bomb like objects. It's what you want to think it is. In the future if we invent some kind of vehicles vaguely shaped as those will we use this photo for evidence that they existed back then?
But let's say that fine, egyptians made those based on what they saw back in ye oldé days. That's not evidence, that's eye witness testimony. Do you also think the bible is a credible source?
But let's say that that is evidence, this is a huge stretch and violates scientific principles. Where's the aliens? What if that's just humans from the future? Those space ships look like man made things, not by the, quote, "intelligent life, we often say "like us"".
Let's say those are perfect schematics for alien ships and there's aliens waving from inside and for some reason alien ships seem to look like things that we recognize (holy cow why am I even doing this), we're in the twilight zone now. How do we know this isn't just art?
Just because we haven't found any doesn't mean they exists.
[QUOTE=Jookia;34448389]Technology has limits. We can't make an AI worth a shit.
You may say that these are only temporary limits. Back in the 70s AI researchers thought so too.
We can't go faster than the speed of light either.
Technology isn't magic like most seem to believe. Saying that just because we may improve doesn't mean it's possible. The limits are clear.[/QUOTE]
With AI we're limited by a lot of stuff, like how well we know the human brain, computational limits, material limits. The speed of light is pretty much always going to be a limit unless we somehow discover a way to create/find/utilise negative energy.
Your right technology isn't some magic bullet to all our problems, but the limitations are no where near as contrained as either you or he seem to think they are.
[editline]4th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=ice445;34524072]There's a very VERY high chance that intelligent life can only be carbon based, as the necessary proteins to carry out such advanced biological functions depend upon the magical carbon atom to work. And the specific interactions that lead to long, sustained carbon based life and thus evolution are very very specific as well. So the chances might SEEM huge based on the size of the observable universe, but that doesn't mean there's intelligent aliens roaming everywhere.[/QUOTE]
Life is carbon based here because of the high number of possible compounds carbon can create and the abundance of carbon on earth. If I remember correctly it's possible that life can be sulphur and silicon based too, but the silicon based life would be pretty basic and have really slow metabolic rates because of the high energies needed in breaking silicon bonds.
Although I'm not too sure so don't quote me on that :v:
[quote]Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.[/quote]
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy on how big space is.
So yes, I believe there's Extraterrestrials
I believe there are aliens.
There must be.
The problem I have is, they have fingers, legs, heads just like us.. what are the chances of that?
Of all the courses their evolution took what are the chances that they would have a 'human' body. That's why I don't find those pictures very real.
There is so much science out there that estimates how many earth-like planets there are out in the universe, and how things can seemingly evolve from goop.
You would have to be pretty thick to think that we are the ONLY thing that ever evolved on any of the worlds.
But, we will ever meet said aliens? Probably not. And if we did, i dont think it would end to well.
I can firmly say I believe there is other life out there. Here? I believe aliens (or whatever you want to call them) have been here. Having seen a UFO, you start to believe those things.
I believe they exist, yes. I believe there are creatures intelligent as us, if not more so, living amongst the cosmos. Are they on Earth? I cannot be certain. There are 6 billion people on this Earth as far as we know, but there could be more. If there were, I would be thrilled as long as they didn't attempt to enslave us or dominate us. The main exciting thing would be the idea of learning their technology of space travel. It would be fantastic to travel throughout the universe. I just don't know if they really are here or not, thats the down side to it all.
There are lots of evidence that something is really going on.
Some countries are disclosing this information. And if this information is real, then the Extraterrestrial possibility is a fact.
[B]-France[/B]
[I](With the support of French government, a report was realeased on UFO's called the COMETA Report.)[/I]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COMETA"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COMETA[/URL]
5% of the cases investigated, only possible explanation was the extraterrestrial possibility
After this report, the French government called for a world wide disclosure.
[B]-USA[/B]
[I](With the Freedom of information act. Lot's of documents were released proving for example, that the FBI was investiganting UFO sightings, in a time were the government said no investigation was taking place. (last official american investigation on the mater was Blue Book.)) [/I]
[URL="http://www.ufocasebook.com/fbi.html"]http://www.ufocasebook.com/fbi.html[/URL]
[B]-Mexico[/B]
[I](Only country in the world with full disclosure on the subject. Almost everyday there are UFO sightings, generating countless amazing UFO videos, some of them military recordings, just try and go on youtube and type "mexico ufo".)[/I]
[video=youtube;ddbXmOeGHQQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddbXmOeGHQQ[/video]
[B]-Norway[/B]
[I](Only country in the world with a full time UFO observatory".)[/I]
[video=youtube;1snMCau0IEM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1snMCau0IEM[/video]
If you are curious about this subject, check this documentary out.
[video=youtube;stWkXlBWWVE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stWkXlBWWVE[/video]
Has anyone ever realized that alien/UFO sightings have only occurred after man achieved flight? Think about it.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34704800]Has anyone ever realized that alien/UFO sightings have only occurred after man achieved flight? Think about it.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/ufo-history-008.jpg[/IMG]
[I]"Are these early references to UFOs and aliens? Possibly. But references of this sort are few and far between. Although ancient and medieval records are filled with stories of strange shapes and figures in the sky, little in these accounts elicits visions of UFOs as we understand them today. Many eerie aerial phenomena of an earlier time can now be identified as meteors, comets, and auroral displays."[/I]
[QUOTE=topic10;34705315][I]"Many eerie aerial phenomena of an earlier time can now be identified as meteors, comets, and auroral displays."[/I][/QUOTE]
Thanks
UFOs aren't aliens.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34704800]Has anyone ever realized that alien/UFO sightings have only occurred after man achieved flight? Think about it.[/QUOTE]
It's not that Ufo sightings have been popping up just after man achieved flight, they've been more widely known now become of the communication revolution, where you can use your camera technology to take pictures and share it with people. There's several paintings back way before we had any of this technology that depict a UFO type thing, and these paintings are completely legitimate.
[IMG]http://www.crystalinks.com/ufomaryhead1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/uploadsgallery/1230768000/gallery_2_42_898844.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://v10.lscache2.c.bigcache.googleapis.com/static.panoramio.com/photos/original/26158134.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Gabeffly;34705661]It's not that Ufo sightings have been popping up just after man achieved flight, they've been more widely known now become of the communication revolution, where you can use your camera technology to take pictures and share it with people. There's several paintings back way before we had any of this technology that depict a UFO type thing, and these paintings are completely legitimate.
[IMG]http://www.crystalinks.com/ufomaryhead1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/uploadsgallery/1230768000/gallery_2_42_898844.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://v10.lscache2.c.bigcache.googleapis.com/static.panoramio.com/photos/original/26158134.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Paintings are fictional. They're not photos. As for the last one, that's an incarnation of Yahweh.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34705537]Thanks[/QUOTE]
You are welcome.
But still, read the rest of the text. Because the last line of an argument is not the sole point of an entire text. Even more important if the writer tries to give a little prespective to what he is writing about.
[QUOTE=Jookia;34705681]Paintings are fictional. They're not photos. As for the last one, that's an incarnation of Yahweh.[/QUOTE]
You also think that paintings can't depict real events?
There are many accounts of "things hapening" in the skies. we just cannot be sure of what was they were seeing (or not).
-And if a painter decided to paint this flying metalic looking vehicle :
[IMG]http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/uploadsgallery/1230768000/gallery_2_42_898844.jpg[/IMG]
-In a time that the only mean of transportation was:
[IMG]http://www.akfentertainment.com/akfpic/akfhors2.jpg[/IMG]
(or a boat)
-And the most common representation of a flying vehicle was this:
[IMG]http://www.theoi.com/image/img_helios.jpg[/IMG]
(or a flying boat)
[sp](I know that this image is from a different age. But the theme representation still aplies to both.)[/sp]
I think that we can wonder, if it was only his imagination.
Why must it be made from metal? It has the same hue as the buildings -> which would suggest a rock based material.
The fact that WE are here means that someone else could just as well be somewhere else on another planet. MAYBE even wondering the very same question.
[QUOTE=Jookia;34705681]Paintings are fictional. They're not photos. As for the last one, that's an incarnation of Yahweh.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, how many paintings in these eras would even try to paint something completely from their imagination? Painting as we know it is completely different then it was back then, back then it was created to depict religious or real events, because there was no cameras existing back then. Just saying "Paintings are fictional" doesn't really work for this because you could use that logic to argue "Well since paintings are fictional we don't actually know if there were people that long ago, it just looks like it!" Bad example but still.
If you're in a museum full of paintings from this time and 2 or 3 have something that deliberately resembles a UFO, it's not logical to say, Oh well he was just being funky in his art! And that's all just the artist making fake stuff!
Why shouldn't there be?
It's kind of weird if the Earth is the only "living" planet.
Why is there other galaxies? Why are there other planets?
I think that intelligent, alien life exists throughout the universe.
I do [I]not[/I] think that intelligent aliens ever been in the Sol system, however. Interstellar is extremely expensive, slow, and finding anything of interest after your thousand year long voyage is a crapshoot at best.
Why would aliens even care? Their minds may be so strange that they have no curiosity in other life, or they cannot comprehend it.
If anything, we should fear contact with aliens, not because they may be specific malignant, but because they could be so incomprehensibly different that they do not regard life in the same way as we do. What if they hold no regard for individual creatures?
[QUOTE=topic10;34707089]You also think that paintings can't depict real events?
There are many accounts of "things hapening" in the skies. we just cannot be sure of what was they were seeing (or not).
-And if a painter decided to paint this flying metalic looking vehicle :
[IMG]http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/uploadsgallery/1230768000/gallery_2_42_898844.jpg[/IMG]
-In a time that the only mean of transportation was:
[IMG]http://www.akfentertainment.com/akfpic/akfhors2.jpg[/IMG]
(or a boat)
-And the most common representation of a flying vehicle was this:
[IMG]http://www.theoi.com/image/img_helios.jpg[/IMG]
(or a flying boat)
[sp](I know that this image is from a different age. But the theme representation still aplies to both.)[/sp]
I think that we can wonder, if it was only his imagination.[/QUOTE]
I guess 2001: A space odyessy is conclusive evidence that space travel is possible.
[editline]25th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gabeffly;34745659]Honestly, how many paintings in these eras would even try to paint something completely from their imagination?[/QUOTE]
I don't know. I wasn't there.
[QUOTE=Gabeffly;34745659]Painting as we know it is completely different then it was back then, back then it was created to depict religious or real events, because there was no cameras existing back then. Just saying "Paintings are fictional" doesn't really work for this because you could use that logic to argue "Well since paintings are fictional we don't actually know if there were people that long ago, it just looks like it!" Bad example but still.[/QUOTE]
Wait, you argument is that because people usually painted real events, that all of them, especially the odd ones, are real? Also, not all photos are real either.
[QUOTE=Gabeffly;34745659]If you're in a museum full of paintings from this time and 2 or 3 have something that deliberately resembles a UFO, it's not logical to say, Oh well he was just being funky in his art! And that's all just the artist making fake stuff![/QUOTE]
UFO is an unidentified flying object. Anything in the air that looks odd and isn't identifiable fits this description. In one case, I pointed out it was a depiction of Yahweh. If you want to go out and say that people back then deliberately painted alien space ships, that doesn't mean that there actually were alien space ships.
I think that aliens exist, but I do not believe that we have been visited by an intelligent species.
Although, I do have to agree with Rad McCool that we have never viewed abiogenesis and thus cannot make the conclusion that life must exist elsewhere. Although I sincerely hope we are not alone.
Do they exist? I'd say absolutely. Just because we don't have hard data doesn't mean they don't. The basic facts of evolution means that any planet with the appropriate environment has the capability to develop life, and if it can develop life, it can develop sentient life. The fact that we exist is thanks to a combination of a nearly-infinite number of random coincidences that culminated in humanity. There are millions upon millions of planets in our galaxy alone, even if 0.1% of those are inhabited, that's still possibly hundreds of thousands. I can't imagine any reason why humanity would be the only sentient species in the Milky Way, aside from religion being true in the end. But that's neither here nor there.
Have they been to Earth? I don't think so. But again, just because we don't have hard data on ancient aliens does not mean it didn't happen.
When you get into it our limitations of thought really hinder us, and when you think about aliens you can't think about them in the same way as you would a human or animal. It's almost like thinking you know what a completely insane person is going through while never having experienced it, you think you get the general idea, but you probably have absolutely no idea what's going through they're head, and it's not explainable.
It's like that one story where a man goes into the brain of an animal, but he can't control it, and later finds out that he can't control it because he's protecting himself, and it would kill him to try to comprehend how the animal sees the world.
So the way I see it, all these ideas about an alien race trying to conquer us can pretty much be thrown out the window. Like, they might not have to take in something to sustain themselves, we just think that's a universal law because it's how everything we know works.
In short, it's impossible to talk about these things realistically, because we can't talk about something we can't comprehend. This is just how I see things, and why I think most alien stories are laughable.
They won't work the same way as us.
[QUOTE=AeroSinthetic;34874573]
They won't work the same way as us.[/QUOTE]
Or they could work exactly like us. Isn't that more plausible? Seeing as how everything points towards the physical laws being constant throughout the universe.
You seem to be talking about extrauniversal life - "life" developed outside or in a different universe.
I think it's pretty ignorant to say that aliens haven't been here before. All evidence points to them visiting us or whatever they do. I'm not saying aliens are among us like some people believe. If you truly believe aliens have never been here, you are either very misinformed or just have a big case of denial. I've seen a UFO and there is no way in hell that it was just my brain fucking with me or whatever you guys might think. My whole family saw it. There are only two possible conclusions I can make:
1. Aliens are visiting us.
2. The spacecraft is man-made.
I'm open to either one.
I don't think aliens have been here, maybe they have, but really, I don't think so.
However, I DO think that aliens exist in this universe. While you may say it's ignorant to think aliens exist just because the sheer size of the universe, couldn't it be ignorant to refuse the possibility of aliens as well?
[QUOTE=bunnyspy1;34928801]couldn't it be ignorant to refuse the possibility of aliens as well?[/QUOTE]
Of course.
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