Extraterrestrials - Here/Real or not? - General

As far as I know, we may be the most intelligent life-forms capable of space travel. From my understanding, the Universe isn't honestly that old (A few billion years if my hazy memory serves me correctly, which isn't that old for a thing as large as the Universe) and neither are we. I mean think about it, the odds of any of us even existing are so radical that it's practically a miracle we even exist, also factoring in the numerous scenarios of an apocalyptic event, it's likely there are few intelligent species out there (None of which are even in reachable distance for sure) and even fewer that will live to see space travel. Hell, theoretically the limitations of space travel mean that the most chance we have (based on our current understanding of the Universe anyways) is reaching Mars and possibly hop planets from there. Basically what I'm saying is intelligent life is so rare and life itself is so young that even if there are aliens out there, they could likely never reach us or vice-versa.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;34444263]And you're making the false asumption that technology has its limits.[/QUOTE] If something doesn't have limits, then it doesn't exist.

[QUOTE=BananaFoam;34935637]As far as I know, we may be the most intelligent life-forms capable of space travel. From my understanding, the Universe isn't honestly that old (A few billion years if my hazy memory serves me correctly, which isn't that old for a thing as large as the Universe) and neither are we. I mean think about it, the odds of any of us even existing are so radical that it's practically a miracle we even exist, also factoring in the numerous scenarios of an apocalyptic event, it's likely there are few intelligent species out there (None of which are even in reachable distance for sure) and even fewer that will live to see space travel. Hell, theoretically the limitations of space travel mean that the most chance we have (based on our current understanding of the Universe anyways) is reaching Mars and possibly hop planets from there. Basically what I'm saying is intelligent life is so rare and life itself is so young that even if there are aliens out there, they could likely never reach us or vice-versa.[/QUOTE] [url=http://members.shaw.ca/tfrisen/chances_of_you_existing.htm]The chances of you existing are 100%.[/url]

To answer the thread: Yes, I believe they exist, and yes, I believe that at one point or another, they have visited Earth. My proof is spread throughout the thread for belief. For all we know, religion could simply be a primitive interpretation of alien technology. Think about just how much a person's understanding of the world in which they live affects how he/she interprets the things they see, even for the most scientific mind. Native Americans saw Europeans as gods, why couldn't the same be true for biblical humans/aliens? I know that's fairly out there, but whatever. Food for though.

[QUOTE=somescripter;34945001][url=http://members.shaw.ca/tfrisen/chances_of_you_existing.htm]The chances of you existing are 100%.[/url][/QUOTE] I... uh... what... *Head Explodes*

I agree right there ^ with what BananaFoam said previously. As far as we know, Universe counts as far back as 14 billion years. And out of those 14 billion years, it took the last 4 billion years for us to get to this point, with our planet and our technologies. So yeah, life which has reached the point where metropolitan cities are full of people, with information flowing like never before is quite some miracle, like the above poster also seem to have concluded. Before our planet was beginning to gain its shape, there was 10 billion years at least for other planets to form out under better conditions.. So we humans may very well be one of the most advanced species EVER.

Believing that we are the ONLY intelligent species is what stupid and/or ignorant people believe. All evidence points to there being other intelligent life in the universe. All of you stupid shits are probably saying "no lol we r teh olny smart specez in teh unaverze". Seriously? You guys have all the proof in front of your face and yet you say "NOPE".

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;34974538]I agree right there ^ with what BananaFoam said previously. As far as we know, Universe counts as far back as 14 billion years. And out of those 14 billion years, it took the last 4 billion years for us to get to this point, with our planet and our technologies. So yeah, life which has reached the point where metropolitan cities are full of people, with information flowing like never before is quite some miracle, like the above poster also seem to have concluded. Before our planet was beginning to gain its shape, there was 10 billion years at least for other planets to form out under better conditions.. So we humans may very well be one of the most advanced species EVER.[/QUOTE] Or all the other advanced species are on the other side of the galaxy, or they died out because of a crazy laser battle in space or something.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;34975072]Or all the other advanced species are on the other side of the galaxy, or they died out because of a crazy laser battle in space or something.[/QUOTE] that's the fascinating part. Given what's happened on our planet (ehm..), basically "anything" could happen or has happened, just elsewhere. Maybe even as we speak some dust and other particles are in their early stage to form out into a lively wild planet after a few billion years pass. But, we as the prime example, we are not too eager to jump into big crazy battles anymore though.. and we don't even have any practical sidearm laser guns yet.. except tazer or a stun gun. [editline]3rd March 2012[/editline] So maybe the question is, how fucking advanced can you eventually get? And does it take the full dedication of the society/civilization/imperium as a whole (like ants) to be the most advanced species ever?

[QUOTE=deaded38;34974965]Believing that we are the ONLY intelligent species is what stupid and/or ignorant people believe. All evidence points to there being other intelligent life in the universe. All of you stupid shits are probably saying "no lol we r teh olny smart specez in teh unaverze". Seriously? You guys have all the proof in front of your face and yet you say "NOPE".[/QUOTE] hey if you're gonna say there is proof, why not provide it?

[QUOTE=npx190;32788584]All I know is, I myself, can not even afford a one way trip to space: [url]http://www.virgingalactic.com/[/url][/QUOTE] "Join over 430 Virgin Galactic Astronauts" :v: Anyway, I don't think we're alone in the universe. They're in all likelyhood not here, because why would they be? The human race isn't all that interesting. But saying they don't exist is really dumb. What bothers me is that some scientists really want to believer OUR living conditions would apply to EVERY other possible form of life. That's really quite ignorant and narrow-minded. For all we know there could be life-forms out there living with an atmosphere the complete opposite of ours and water while being just as intelligent as us. They need to get a wider perspective.

[QUOTE=bunnyspy1;35001153]hey if you're gonna say there is proof, why not provide it?[/QUOTE] I don't need to. It's common sense that people have witnessed UFOs dating back to before we even knew what technology was. As someone posted before, they paint pictures of them. Now, you tell me that all of these pictures are "just a coincidence". That's what people do when they're in denial. If any of you had half a brain, you would realize that aliens are not only real, but they have been here before.

[QUOTE=deaded38;34974965]Believing that we are the ONLY intelligent species is what stupid and/or ignorant people believe. All evidence points to there being other intelligent life in the universe. All of you stupid shits are probably saying "no lol we r teh olny smart specez in teh unaverze". Seriously? You guys have all the proof in front of your face and yet you say "NOPE".[/QUOTE] Lol, I'm just saying that it's a possibility.. Or maybe all intelligent species aren't intelligent enough to escape the ever expanding Sun.

An improved list of interesting information here: [url]http://spaceflare.com[/url] Battle of Los Angeles, Gordon Cooper, Edgar Mitchell... Cometa Report and all the rest.

Real, yes. Here fuck no. There is an absolutely absurd amount of space, and with every square inch of it there is an increased chance of alien life existing. Problem is there is potentially unlimited distance between us and alien life, therefore making it a moot point really.

I think their existence is possible, but we can't assume or even accept that they exist until we have clear evidence.

It is possible that they exist, but aliens having been to the earth in the past century is about as real as ghosts or other crank nonsense.

With space as big as it is there has to be other life, we cannot be the only living thing EVER, its impossible. While there is possible life I highly doubt they are little green men with UFO's and cosmic rayguns, they have no reason to be that much more advanced than us.

[QUOTE=tomcat13;35103065]I think their existence is possible, but we can't assume or even accept that they exist until we have clear evidence.[/QUOTE] Holy shit guys. There IS evidence right in front of your faces. Lets see how many I can give... 1. UFO witnesses. If you even attempt to give me some bullshit excuse as to why UFOs aren't good evidence, you are in some huge [B]denial[/B] (which you guys are already in because you come up with the most ridiculous reasons as to why aliens haven't been to earth). Seriously, there are painting dating back to who the fuck knows when of UFOs. You're probably thinking "lol dat iz just coincidince lol". Again, huge case of denial. So maybe I can only come up with one. It's still better than "the universe is so big that could never happen dude". Give me some actual [I]evidence[/I] that proves me wrong or is more substantial than what I have.

[QUOTE=deaded38;35121785]Holy shit guys. There IS evidence right in front of your faces. Lets see how many I can give... 1. UFO witnesses. If you even attempt to give me some bullshit excuse as to why UFOs aren't good evidence, you are in some huge [B]denial[/B] (which you guys are already in because you come up with the most ridiculous reasons as to why aliens haven't been to earth). Seriously, there are painting dating back to who the fuck knows when of UFOs. You're probably thinking "lol dat iz just coincidince lol". Again, huge case of denial. So maybe I can only come up with one. It's still better than "the universe is so big that could never happen dude". Give me some actual [I]evidence[/I] that proves me wrong or is more substantial than what I have.[/QUOTE] You seem to be confused about what 'evidence' is, those paintings are most likely paintings of asteroid showers or something.

[QUOTE=Satane;35122411]UFO's are just a bunch of blurry pictures and grainy low res videos. Far from evidence. The only way of doing faster than light space travel are wormholes and they require insane ammounts of energy. Probably more than our sun would emit in its lifetime. So let's say some alien race discovered space travel a few thousand years before us. Then they somehow get enough energy to create a wormhole. Do you really think they'd spend all that energy just to send a few small UFO's to earth ? I think they'd send all they've got and mine our planet for resources.[/QUOTE] Again, denial. If there are so many videos, they aren't JUST "some low res videos". [editline]13th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=danharibo;35122315]You seem to be confused about what 'evidence' is, those paintings are most likely paintings of asteroid showers or something.[/QUOTE] Denial.

Exist because the Universe is gigantic and it would be stupid that the Earth and everything on it was the only thing living in the entire universe.

[QUOTE=garychencool;35173252]Exist because the Universe is gigantic and it would be stupid that the Earth and everything on it was the only thing living in the entire universe.[/QUOTE] Indeed, but it would also be stupid to ignore the possibility that [b]life[/b] may very well be just a rare phenomenon.. in the Universe. But once you have just the right conditions, with probably some wiggle room, life will blossom and there's no stopping it.

I'm secretly an Irken Invader!

Now I really didn't mean to turn this into a wall of text, I hoped to see if I could help anybody with my personal experience. Sorry for the length, and it may be written poorly, it took me a few hours to get it comprehensive, (4:30AM locally). Back in 2008 I was in an accident and sustained some bad head trauma and a broken nose, fortunately I had hit on an angle where my brain wasn't vulnerable (my nose and cheekbone), so I escaped serious brain damage. I was discharged from hospital, and a few days later I had a hallucination which was completely indiscernible from reality. I was awoken by a bright light, emanating from behind the doorway to my room, what I saw horrified me. The light was incredibly bright, and there was the silhouette of a figure approaching me (standard cultural grey alien proportions). It was so much to handle, my reality was broken, this was a nightmare I couldn't wake up from. The being continued to slowly walk up to the bedside, it hardly paid any attention to my face, which was good as I couldn't have beared to make eye contact with it like that. I was frozen with fear as is. When it was right beside me I couldn't look stand to look at it. The last I saw before I looked away and eventually managed to fall unconscious was the being putting it's hands into my abdomen, as if I wasn't solid. After this distressing encounter I became obsessed with understanding what exactly had happened, and how many other people had the same/similar stories. Now to go further I'll quickly explain... I'd always been a humanist. I find great hope in the thought that we are all individual, intelligent beings that have this amazing opportunity to contribute and experience a brief part of the progress of our social species. The whole concept of human adaptation in an unforgiving and beautifully dangerous universe is so inspiring to me. To me that idea of coming to grips with my mortality and understanding that the universe doesn't owe me anything, was the most rewarding ideology. (Basically all the themes of Carl Sagan's Cosmos <3) However this was changed by my hallucination, I was seriously unsatisfied that I couldn't account for my experience, and remember to me it was real, I'd never, and still haven't experienced anything like it since. So as time went on, my standards of evidence dropped very slowly. I started to have a dependency on reading as much about the topic as I could, to fill a gap that was forming due to the lack of being able to explain my experience. This information ended up creating a need for a higher power, and I couldn't accept a god concept as it's a concept where the burden of proof will never be logically adequate. So instead I unconsciously bent my pre-existing ideology. I was thinking of how wonderful it would be if more cultured and advanced alien species existed, the idea made me worry less about the negativity of all human problems and sure enough there were plenty of "long term abductees" that presented stories so bold and complex that the community considered them "too detailed to be fake". I eventually tipped over the edge after about a year and a half of not being able to stop thinking about this experience. I was weak and needed a crutch, and for that time this allowed me to give my life meaning. I continued reading and looking at as much content as I could. It's so embarrassing now, my interpretation of reality just kept slipping and was truly insane at one point. Sometime in 2010 I honestly believed that the moon was hollow and inside there was an artificial station of some sort. I didn't know what function it did, but I always got upset looking at it. It was like a symbol of enslavement, a mocking structure. I also thought that at any time all of my thoughts and senses could be accessed telepathically by whoever "they" were. I saw the faces of greys when I'd shut my eyes. It was a life of fear, I felt like I was cattle that could be claimed at any time. But at the same time I thought they were somewhat entitled, that they were better than me, superior beings. It's funny how similar to the whole concept of sheep in God's flock that is. Anyway, for the next half a year I was too scared to sleep, so I'd try to force myself to stay awake just in case I was visited again. Eventually there came a point where I would analyse my reasons for believing these things, and finally I realized how stupid they were. It took me about three weeks to completely shed the false beliefs. Now don't get me wrong, my point isn't about aliens not existing. That's still quite possible...as far as we know. I'm just trying to caution people about getting your hopes up. I used to be one of the people that thought others were "in denial" or "too close minded", but it's really not the case. Arguments for extraterrestrials don't work like that. The evidence is too little to provide the burden of proof, and those that believe and want to believe find that it is sufficient evidence for them, but not for the right/logically sound reasons. I really hope that there are civilizations out there, I haven't given up on the idea. But as far as evidence for current visitation and the UFO phenomena? Well, I'd really like to believe, but there is nothing conclusive. *I WANT TO BELIEVE.* TL;DR: You can't claim people are denying the existence of aliens if you're not providing sufficient evidence. It's up to you to give undeniable evidence.

This may sound dumb but oh well. What i believe, is that a UFO crashed here way back in the day and we have been studying it ever since. Like so, advances in technology, LCD/Plasma tvs, Radios, GPS, Computers, Radar and other things we learned from that UFO. All just an opinion, i have no evidence so dont kill me.

It is my belief that there is some sort of life out there. Is there intelligence? Who knows? But the chances are high that there is [I]some[/I] sort of life out there. It is a near impossibility that we are simply an anomaly.

Space is vast, we aren't the only galaxy here. There is definately life out there, we won't be able to find out though.

[QUOTE=deaded38;35121785]Holy shit guys. There IS evidence right in front of your faces. Lets see how many I can give... 1. UFO witnesses. If you even attempt to give me some bullshit excuse as to why UFOs aren't good evidence, you are in some huge [B]denial[/B] (which you guys are already in because you come up with the most ridiculous reasons as to why aliens haven't been to earth). Seriously, there are painting dating back to who the fuck knows when of UFOs. You're probably thinking "lol dat iz just coincidince lol". Again, huge case of denial. So maybe I can only come up with one. It's still better than "the universe is so big that could never happen dude". Give me some actual [I]evidence[/I] that proves me wrong or is more substantial than what I have.[/QUOTE] Extraterrestrials have never visited earth, you need to look up the definition of UFO buddy. UFO's are unidentified flying objects, not aliens. This could be anything from military aircraft to light reflected off a normal aircraft. UFO's are not evidence that extraterrestrials exist, I'm not in denial, you are. UFOs =/= Aliens. I do believe intelligent life exists outside of our tiny blue sphere, but it's foolish to think that they have visited us.

[QUOTE=deaded38;35121785]Holy shit guys. There IS evidence right in front of your faces. Lets see how many I can give... 1. UFO witnesses. If you even attempt to give me some bullshit excuse as to why UFOs aren't good evidence, you are in some huge [B]denial[/B] (which you guys are already in because you come up with the most ridiculous reasons as to why aliens haven't been to earth). Seriously, there are painting dating back to who the fuck knows when of UFOs. You're probably thinking "lol dat iz just coincidince lol". Again, huge case of denial. So maybe I can only come up with one. It's still better than "the universe is so big that could never happen dude". Give me some actual [I]evidence[/I] that proves me wrong or is more substantial than what I have.[/QUOTE] Give us some evidence that there have been aliens that have visited. The way I see it, this is like sampling. We're using a small cup and taking a little bit of water from the ocean, we don't find anything in that cup because the area is too vast to find anything with that small of a sample. Now say we took a gigantic cargo container and scooped with that, chances are much more likely that we would find something. Currently, technologically speaking, we aren't even at a cup yet, we're at a teaspoon.