[QUOTE=carcarcargo;21811823]Didn't the Treaty of Versailles pretty much end all of the empires?[/QUOTE]
Only the central powers. It was a one sided treaty, the Allied empires, Britain and Frace, were allowed to keep nearly everything (although both had lost considerable territories during the war that neither would ever recover)
Edit: Emperor Scorpious said it first.
[QUOTE=MadMaxJ;21811840]WW1 ´cause we were the good guys![/QUOTE]
There's no "good guys versus bad guys" in any war, and most definitely not in WWI.
Russia was a feudal state on the side of the Allies. Italy, fighting for the Allies, was fighting not because it's "righteous" in any sense, but because they wished to expand their territory and influence in Europe. Serbia, the first nation to be invaded, sponsored terrorist actions in another nations they disliked.
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[QUOTE=HappyCompy;21811860]
Edit: Emperor Scorpious said it first.[/QUOTE]
I recently did a 20 page term paper on the causes and aftermath of World War One for my Western Civilization class in college. Even before doing the research for the paper, I've read over a dozen books about the war. It truly is a turning point in the history of humanity that should not be overlooked.
You can't understand World War II with out knowing about World War I.
WWI involved a bunch of guys with guns that shot BULLETS putting the BULLETS down, sticking knives on their guns and RUNNING AT the other 'bad' guys who were shooting the first group of guys with BULLETS.
WWII was a bit more sensible.
WW2, panzer tanks...
[QUOTE=Maloof?;21811965]WWI involved a bunch of guys with guns that shot BULLETS putting the BULLETS down, sticking knives on their guns and RUNNING AT the other 'bad' guys who were shooting the first group of guys with BULLETS.
WWII was a bit more sensible.[/QUOTE]
Because bombing the shit out of civilian cities, executing political prisoners and nuking two cities are much more sensible.
I once read that World War One was "the last war in history to be fought with a sense of honor".
The problem here is that everyone's seen the WW2 movies and played the thousands of WW2 games, and when they look at anything WW1 related, it's always a picture of battered men in some trench on the western front. There simply isn't enough media coverage, but that still doesn't justify the ignorance.
On a side note, Kaiser Wilhelm II and Czar Nichloas II (leaders of Germany and Russia respectively) were both good men, whilst Adolf Hitler and Joeseph Stalin were detestable.
I liked WW1 because of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whittlesey]this badass[/url], and trench warfare is pretty interesting to read about.
[QUOTE=ComboTroop;21811983]WW2, panzer tanks...[/QUOTE]
World War II may of had better armored technology, but World War One definitely had its way in artillery.
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[QUOTE=HappyCompy;21812015]The problem here is that everyone's seen the WW2 movies and played the thousands of WW2 games, and when they look at anything WW1 related, it's always a picture of battered men in some trench on the western front. There simply isn't enough media coverage, but that still doesn't justify the ignorance.
On a side note, Kaiser Wilhelm II and Czar Nichloas II (leaders of Germany and Russia respectively) were both good men, whilst Adolf Hitler and Joeseph Stalin were detestable.[/QUOTE]
Amen!
Does anyone here know that Kaiser Wilhelm II actually was the biggest advocate for PEACE during the July Crisis that led to the war?
[QUOTE=77boy84;21812028]I liked WW1 because of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whittlesey]this badass[/url], and trench warfare is pretty interesting to read about.[/QUOTE]
I just read that wiki page.
Wow. Just wow. True badass.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;21812049]Does anyone here know that Kaiser Wilhelm II actually was the biggest advocate for PEACE during the July Crisis that led to the war?[/QUOTE]Bah. The monarchies of Europe at the time were bickering children, foolishly sending millions to their deaths.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;21812120]Bah. The monarchies of Europe at the time were bickering children, foolishly sending millions to their deaths.[/QUOTE]
None the less, he pushed for peace between Russia and Austria. It was Russia and Austria's refusal to cooperate and work things out, along with Austria's unstoppable intention to wipe Serbia off the map that made Germany eventually have to enter war.
Germany didn't start it, and they ended up paying for all of it.
[QUOTE=77boy84;21812028]I liked WW1 because of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whittlesey]this badass[/url], and trench warfare is pretty interesting to read about.[/QUOTE]
Damn, that guy IS badass. Also, anyone saying that WW1 is all gas, grit, mud, rust, and death has obviously never read one of the most uplifiting stories i've ever heard during a war.
Quoted from the Article: Christmas truce, on Wikipedia.
Though there was no official truce, about 100,000 British and German troops were involved in unofficial cessations of fighting along the length of the Western Front.[10] The first truce started on Christmas Eve, 24 December 1914, when German troops began decorating the area around their trenches in the region of Ypres, Belgium.[11]
The Germans began by placing candles on their trenches and on Christmas trees, then continued the celebration by singing Christmas carols. The British responded by singing carols of their own. The two sides continued by shouting Christmas greetings to each other. Soon thereafter, there were excursions across the 'No Man's Land', where small gifts were exchanged, such as food, tobacco and alcohol, and souvenirs such as buttons and hats. The artillery in the region fell silent that night. The truce also allowed a breathing spell where recently-fallen soldiers could be brought back behind their lines by burial parties. Joint services were held. The fraternisation was not, however, without its risks; some soldiers were shot by opposing forces. In many sectors, the truce lasted through Christmas night, but it continued until New Year's Day in others.
...but it get's better
On Christmas Eve 1915, a peace overture came from the German lines. On Christmas Day, after a night of carol singing, Bertie Felstead, a private in the Royal Welch Fusiliers recalled that feelings of goodwill had so swelled up that at dawn Bavarian and British soldiers clambered spontaneously out of their trenches. A football was produced from somewhere – though none could recall from where. "It wasn't a game as such, more a kick-around and a free-for-all. There could have been 50 on each side for all I know. I played because I really liked football. I don't know how long it lasted, probably half an hour."[13]
Now that's fucking awesome.
I prefer World War Z.
[QUOTE=HappyCompy;21812154]Damn, that guy IS badass. Also, anyone saying that WW1 is all gas, grit, mud, rust, and death has obviously never read one of the most uplifiting stories i've ever heard during a war.
Quoted from the Article: Christmas truce, on Wikipedia.
Though there was no official truce, about 100,000 British and German troops were involved in unofficial cessations of fighting along the length of the Western Front.[10] The first truce started on Christmas Eve, 24 December 1914, when German troops began decorating the area around their trenches in the region of Ypres, Belgium.[11]
The Germans began by placing candles on their trenches and on Christmas trees, then continued the celebration by singing Christmas carols. The British responded by singing carols of their own. The two sides continued by shouting Christmas greetings to each other. Soon thereafter, there were excursions across the 'No Man's Land', where small gifts were exchanged, such as food, tobacco and alcohol, and souvenirs such as buttons and hats. The artillery in the region fell silent that night. The truce also allowed a breathing spell where recently-fallen soldiers could be brought back behind their lines by burial parties. Joint services were held. The fraternisation was not, however, without its risks; some soldiers were shot by opposing forces. In many sectors, the truce lasted through Christmas night, but it continued until New Year's Day in others.
...but it get's better
On Christmas Eve 1915, a peace overture came from the German lines. On Christmas Day, after a night of carol singing, Bertie Felstead, a private in the Royal Welch Fusiliers recalled that feelings of goodwill had so swelled up that at dawn Bavarian and British soldiers clambered spontaneously out of their trenches. A football was produced from somewhere – though none could recall from where. "It wasn't a game as such, more a kick-around and a free-for-all. There could have been 50 on each side for all I know. I played because I really liked football. I don't know how long it lasted, probably half an hour."[13]
Now that's fucking awesome.[/QUOTE]
Truly the Great War was the last war fought with honor and dignity, if those can be attributed to war.
WWII because of the tactics and weaponry.
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There's a movie about the whole christmas truce thing. It's a pretty good movie actually.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;21812013]Because bombing the shit out of civilian cities, executing political prisoners and nuking two cities are much more sensible.
I once read that World War One was "the last war in history to be fought with a sense of honor".[/QUOTE]
Good riddance.
There shouldn't be honour in killing.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;21812284]Good riddance.
There shouldn't be honour in killing.[/QUOTE]
If anything, the lack of a sense of dignity and honor in a war makes it even more vicious than if it had those attributes.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;21812312]If anything, the lack of a sense of dignity and honor in a war makes it even more vicious than if it had those attributes.[/QUOTE]
Then it just serves to emphasise how barbaric and, in terms of modern attitudes, hypocritical war is.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;21812153]None the less, he pushed for peace between Russia and Austria. It was Russia and Austria's refusal to cooperate and work things out, along with Austria's unstoppable intention to wipe Serbia off the map that made Germany eventually have to enter war.
Germany didn't start it, and they ended up paying for all of it.[/QUOTE]I'm not debating who started the war, it was a system failure first and foremost. But Wilhelm was no peacemaker. True, he was no warmonger, perhaps just incompetent. Dismissing Bismarck, pursuing [I]Weltpolitik[/I] (though to be fair the entire of Europe was very nationalistic), and backing Austria-Hungary when they could've yanked back the leash didn't strike me as smart moves to make at the time.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;21812344]Then it just serves to emphasise how barbaric and, in terms of modern attitudes, hypocritical war is.[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong, no war is far better than any kind of war, but I do think that if it's not held back by a sense of thought in some way or form, it only creates unnecessary death in something that's already unnecessary.
You wouldn't of seen the execution of civilians in WWI as you did in WWII, for example.
When the Red Baron was shot down over enemy territory, the Allies gave him a full military funeral along with a 7 gun salute. Respect of your enemies is what is lacked in modern day, and it's been replaced with nothing but vicious hatred.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;21812344]Then it just serves to emphasise how barbaric and, in terms of modern attitudes, hypocritical war is.[/QUOTE]
War is just a scaled up version of basic human instinct. To dominate. Things like honor and dignity are learned feelings, and so they take a back seat to instinct. Applying them to war shows that you are human, and not just a beast.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;21812391]I'm not debating who started the war, it was a system failure first and foremost. But Wilhelm was no peacemaker. True, he was no warmonger, perhaps just incompetent. Dismissing Bismarck, pursuing [I]Weltpolitik[/I] (though to be fair the entire of Europe was very nationalistic), and backing Austria-Hungary when they could've yanked back the leash didn't strike me as smart moves to make at the time.[/QUOTE]
Wilhelm was more incompetent than most, but then again, all monarchies rule their nation through what they "feel" is right over what is best for the nation.
I'm not saying that Wilhelm was yelling for peace through out the world, no, but during the July Crisis, he was one of the biggest advocates for peace talks between the great powers because he did not want to go to war over such a small nation such as Serbia.
Good point, old chap.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;21812448]Good point, old chap.[/QUOTE]
To HappyCompy, or to me?
I, for one, can't stand modern warfare. It's ugly, unnecesarily vicious, filled with blind nationalism, or excessive relgious intolerance. It's like the Crusades again, only without any honor, or morality, and with 10x deadlier weaponry.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;21812463]To HappyCompy, or to me?[/QUOTE]
You.
Darn people posting while I'm typing
[QUOTE=HappyCompy;21812484]I, for one, can't stand modern warfare. It's ugly, unnecesarily vicious, filled with blind nationalism, or excessive relgious intolerance. It's like the Crusades again, only without any honor, or morality, and with 10x deadlier weaponry.[/QUOTE]
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I dont remember the last time anyone talked about WW1...
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;21812526]I dont remember the last time anyone talked about WW1...[/QUOTE]
It's because WWII is a more recent war, so it unnecessarily and unfairly eclipses the first.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;21812526]I dont remember the last time anyone talked about WW1...[/QUOTE]
Although completely unrelated, your name is fucking awesome.
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