[QUOTE=Lonestriper;47798513]Thank u for getting banned faster than I could have ever hoped for.[/QUOTE]
thank craptasket, the magic dog man
[QUOTE=Splash Attack;47797038]The accidental incest child that results?[/QUOTE]
This shit does happen: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2057081/Engaged-couple-discover-brother-sister-parents-meet-days-wedding.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;47798633]Christ, the mass-unbannings on Garry's birthday should stop being a thing[/QUOTE]
I think if you get regibanned you can't come back from that. I'm pretty sure that used to be a thing, anyway.
Whatever happened to that one guy that fapped onto his sister's ass
Is he still here
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;47798623]it is, namely linking to this post;
[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1242216&p=39344790&viewfull=1#post39344790[/url]
He also made this gem of a post in unpopular opinions a couple days ago
[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=47783259#post47783259[/url][/QUOTE]
he also used to defend british imperialism/colonalism like it was the best thing ever and god's gift to mankind, idk if he still does that though.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47797947]Abnormal doesn't equal bad. You could go on about growth rates when talking about how the tallest 1% of people are abnormal, but that doesn't mean they're disabled.
And even if you consider having incestuous feelings a bad thing, that doesn't make it immoral, something to judge people about - you'd probably agree that being unable to walk is both abnormal and something negative, but you probably wouldn't say the answer to that is to cast out people who require a wheelchair.[/QUOTE]
No, normal people are literally hardwired to find incest objectively wrong in every situation or scenario. Would normal people judge the OP? No, because we have the intelligence to be able to feel empathy and understand they had no possible way of knowing.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;47799113]Simski? nah he's gone.[/QUOTE]
You're missing the best part; namely his first post after he got unbanned.
[QUOTE=Simski;47771098]That's bullshit, this place doesn't appreciate the glorious love of imoutos[/QUOTE]
[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1456940&p=47771098&highlight=#post47771098[/url]
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];47798080']sexual relationships between [I]two consenting adults[/I] that do not produce offspring (and even if they do, the risk of defect is actually a lot lower than is publicly assumed) is completely harmless and y'all (esp you Sobotnik) are really pressing the "gay people are all pedophiles look the the slippery slope next we'll be fucking kids and marrying animals" button pretty hard.[/QUOTE]
You're ignoring that most incestuous relationships /do/ involve an abuse factor. Why else do you think there are so many support networks for children who have suffered from sexual abuse in their families?
Yes, there are rare instances in which two consenting adults agree to sex or whatever. Except 99% of the time in incest, it's really just parents sexually abusing children, or siblings abusing their younger ones. The biggest and most obvious problem (which a lot of people are ignoring) is that two adults both consenting to it, is simply rare.
A parent having sex with a child /is/ a form of sexual abuse.
A sibling forcing the other to have sex /is/ a form of sexual abuse.
Almost always, the result of these relationships is that the abused person is more likely to suffer from depression, substance abuse, PTSD, sexual dysfunction, etc.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];47798209']By the way Dain is literally a reactionary who wants to return to some 19th century aristocratic-despotic regime and Sobotnik is his literal butt-buddy. Take what they say with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE]
I don't talk about your sexual activities and past relationships on forums. I expect that a little bit of courtesy is returned.
Why do people go on TV for this? I mean i get that it's paid for, but a DNA test costs a couple hundred quid. Surely limiting worldwide exposure is worth a bit of cash?
What the hell happened to Dain? When go from guy who really likes Deus Ex to pseudo intellectual biogot and armchair sociologist? When did he invent that way of arguing where people never have reasoning, and only look at what they can manipulate and how they can gain from that
I used to be friendly with that guy what the fuck
[QUOTE=Rents;47799665]What the hell happened to Dain? When go from guy who really likes Deus Ex to pseudo intellectual biogot and armchair sociologist? When did he invent that way of arguing where people never have reasoning, and only look at what they can manipulate and how they can gain from that
I used to be friendly with that guy what the fuck[/QUOTE]
A lot of depressing and bad things happened before the relationship ended.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;47799577]You're ignoring that most incestuous relationships /do/ involve an abuse factor. Why else do you think there are so many support networks for children who have suffered from sexual abuse in their families?
Yes, there are rare instances in which two consenting adults agree to sex or whatever. Except 99% of the time in incest, it's really just parents sexually abusing children, or siblings abusing their younger ones. The biggest and most obvious problem (which a lot of people are ignoring) is that two adults both consenting to it, is simply rare.
A parent having sex with a child /is/ a form of sexual abuse.
A sibling forcing the other to have sex /is/ a form of sexual abuse.
Almost always, the result of these relationships is that the abused person is more likely to suffer from depression, substance abuse, PTSD, sexual dysfunction, etc.
I don't talk about your sexual activities and past relationships on forums. I expect that a little bit of courtesy is returned.[/QUOTE]
what's your point? "some" or "most" relationships having bad elements doesn't make the incest itself immoral
[QUOTE=bitches;47800820]what's your point? "some" or "most" relationships having bad elements doesn't make the incest itself immoral[/QUOTE]
i wouldnt call sexual abuse just a 'bad' element of a relationship
[QUOTE=MasterFen006;47800845]i wouldnt call sexual abuse just a 'bad' element of a relationship[/QUOTE]
i wouldn't go shitposting to change the point of the argument
[QUOTE=bitches;47800820]what's your point? "some" or "most" relationships having bad elements doesn't make the incest itself immoral[/QUOTE]
It's immoral because most (and by most I mean almost all of them) incest has a power dynamic in which a parent abuses a child, or one sibling abuses the other. There is not really any consent.
Most of the time it is done in dysfunctional families as a means to assert power over the other, and rarely is there any consent. Most survivors of incestuous relationships also have higher risks for suicide, substance abuse, and other mental health issues.
It's different with normal relationships, because there two people (whatever their gender or sexuality) consent to having sex after having established trust with one another.
There is an exceedingly obvious problem with a parent or sibling abusing that trust, and in turn committing what is essentially rape.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;47799685]A lot of depressing and bad things happened before the relationship ended.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't justify being an asshole to everyone.
My grandparents were first cousins, their relationship wasn't filled with abuse, rape, or moral degeneration. In fact, they were married for 50 years and were a model couple.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;47800932]It's immoral because most (and by most I mean almost all of them) incest has a power dynamic in which a parent abuses a child, or one sibling abuses the other. There is not really any consent.
Most of the time it is done in dysfunctional families as a means to assert power over the other, and rarely is there any consent. Most survivors of incestuous relationships also have higher risks for suicide, substance abuse, and other mental health issues.
It's different with normal relationships, because there two people (whatever their gender or sexuality) consent to having sex after having established trust with one another.
There is an exceedingly obvious problem with a parent or sibling abusing that trust, and in turn committing what is essentially rape.[/QUOTE]
That didn't answer the question.
Rape is immoral. Emotional manipulation is immoral. That doesn't make [I]two consenting people of a reasoning age being in a relationship who are closely related[/I] immoral. You're acting as though these concepts are inseparable.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;47800932]It's immoral because most (and by most I mean almost all of them) incest has a power dynamic in which a parent abuses a child, or one sibling abuses the other. There is not really any consent.
[/QUOTE]
Any sources for this?
I'm not doubting you or defending incest, just legit curious.
[QUOTE=bitches;47800980]That didn't answer the question.
Rape is immoral. Emotional manipulation is immoral. That doesn't make [I]two consenting people of a reasoning age being in a relationship who are closely related[/I] immoral. You're acting as though these concepts are inseparable.[/QUOTE]
Except you're separating this away from reality. Saying "incest by itself is not immoral" is disingenuous.
The simple fact remains that almost all incestuous relationships are abusive ones. There's like a very slim and tiny minority of them in which you don't have this abuse (but again that's rare).
In the law, incest is treated as an abusive relationship.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;47801018]Except you're separating this away from reality. Saying "incest by itself is not immoral" is disingenuous.
The simple fact remains that almost all incestuous relationships are abusive ones. There's like a very slim and tiny minority of them in which you don't have this abuse (but again that's rare).
In the law, incest is treated as an abusive relationship.[/QUOTE]
You're still ignoring the point. You cannot argue that [I]incest[/I] is wrong. I'm not looking to defend abusive relationships, and I'm making no argument as to what percentage of incestuous relationships are abusive. This is an important distinction to make.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;47801014]Any sources for this?
I'm not doubting you or defending incest, just legit curious.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.aaets.org/article31.htm[/url]
[quote]Another myth is that the abuser is usually a stranger. More than 70% of abusers are immediate family members or someone very close to the family. Remember - bad guys don't always look bad; they're often the people we love. A third myth is that the abuser is always hated. Often the victim loves and protects the perpetrator. Some children feel "special" about the abuse. It may be the only attention or physical contact they're getting. Because of this, some survivors even into adulthood will deal with the abuse by minimizing it. Thus, they make the abuser and the events "OK", to make it feel like they're okay.[/quote]
[QUOTE=bitches;47801037]You're still ignoring the point. You cannot argue that [I]incest[/I] is wrong. I'm not looking to defend abusive relationships, and I'm making no argument as to what percentage of incestuous relationships are abusive. This is an important distinction to make.[/QUOTE]
I am arguing that incest is wrong, because the form that incest takes is reprehensible. It's nonsense to argue that incest isn't bad if you strip away all of the bad things about it, because then you end up with something that has been clinically cut away from any real world application. The fact remains that incest is bad, because universally the form it takes is bad. It would be like arguing that mugging or rape isn't bad, because if you strip away all of the bad things about mugging and rape, then the act by itself will be seen as neutral.
Lawyers have been going over this sort of thing for years.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];47798209']By the way Dain is literally a reactionary who wants to return to some 19th century aristocratic-despotic regime. Take what he says with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE]
And? What's the problem if someone supports a relatively centralized government? It's not inherently worse to other governments, and it has its benefits.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;47801041][url]http://www.aaets.org/article31.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
this source says that most child abuse is incestuous, but does not say that most incestuous relationships are abusive
parent/child is going to be really fucked up, but what if there are equal aged siblings who for whatever reasons of their own want a relationship together?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;47801018]Except you're separating this away from reality. Saying "incest by itself is not immoral" is disingenuous.
The simple fact remains that almost all incestuous relationships are abusive ones. There's like a very slim and tiny minority of them in which you don't have this abuse (but again that's rare).
In the law, incest is treated as an abusive relationship.[/QUOTE]
then what about the original video? they didn't even know they were brothers until now. what do you suggest they do? just break up after years of consensual love?
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;47797158]There is literally nothing wrong with incest children.
[editline]24th May 2015[/editline]
Exactly this.
People keep saying "the slippery slope is real" but let's be honest, is the slippery slope [I]really[/I] that bad? Hell, most slippery slopes are damn great for things like sledding, waterparks and skiing, why should this one be any different?[/QUOTE]
There is everything wrong with incest children.
I really don't care much if you want to fuck your sister, but don't have babies please.
And yeah, honestly, I would like to apply the same to people who carry hereditary diseases, no offense. You really shouldn't be making babies. Please, adopt a kid instead. For your kid's sake.
[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;47801092]then what about the original video? they didn't even know they were brothers until now. what do you suggest they do? just break up after years of consensual love?[/QUOTE]
Well obviously that's a fringe case that happened because both of them didn't know (plus they were half brothers).
If both people know they are related before they begin however, that's a pretty bad idea to be going through with.
I don't know, you can disagree if you want, but I find that having sexual relations with your family members is gross regardless of it being homosexual or not.
[QUOTE=bitches;47801059]this source says that most child abuse is incestuous, but does not say that most incestuous relationships are abusive
parent/child is going to be really fucked up, but what if there are equal aged siblings who for whatever reasons of their own want a relationship together?[/QUOTE]
Depends on if they know each other to be siblings beforehand. The default state is that siblings do not experience sexual attraction towards each other (however, if they don't know about their relatedness, they tend to experience it).
If they know they are related beforehand, and progress into sexual activity, then something has gone really wrong in how they were raised. The closer the relatedness, the worse it is.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;47801159]I don't know, you can disagree if you want, but I find that having sexual relations with your family members is gross regardless of it being homosexual or not.[/QUOTE]
You can think it's gross, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not exactly a fan myself.
But why stop them from doing what they want? It's not hurting anybody.
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