Your next airsoft purchase! - General

All military vehicles, or at the very least Russian and American (I know for a fact) are protected against EMP. It's actually pretty easy to protect equipment and we've been doing it for years so they would not simply fall out of the sky as depicted. They use silicon carbide chips instead of the typical silicon microchips in the electronics and silicon carbide is immune to an EMP pulse. They were locked in the BMP and the two soldiers ontop of it were trying to pull the hatch open to get them out. Which is stupid because what kind of person doesn't put some sort of manual lock on a tank? Also, BMP's are also EMP protected. And assuming you were correct it makes no sense for a BMP crew to dawn protective suits in the heat of battle as the BMP has all the utilities to protect it's occupants from nuclear and biological weapons.

Where did you find that out from?

Infact we've known about the effects of EMP since 1945 and we protected all of our vehicles from it during the Cold War and continue too, although some are not due to the budge since those special chips I mentioned are costly. But all the big guns are protected. All military aircraft, helicopters, tanks, hummers and sensitive equipment on ships etc. etc.

[quote]4.It has long been known that there are many ways to protect against nuclear EMP (or to quickly begin repairs where protection is not practical); but the United States EMP Commission determined that such protections are almost completely absent in the civilian infrastructure of the United States, and that even large sectors of the United States military services were no longer protected against EMP to the level that they were during the Cold War.[/quote]

The helicopter that fell due to the EMP and the BMP are both Russian. It's true not all American vehicles are protected the bulk of them or at the very least those which are fit to be protected are such as the Abrams and Apaches etc. Large portions of equipment however isn't, be them field radios or trucks what have you.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;24027717]The helicopter that fell due to the EMP and the BMP are both Russian. It's true not all American vehicles are protected the bulk of them or at the very least those which are fit to be protected are such as the Abrams and Apaches etc. Large portions of equipment however isn't, be them field radios or trucks what have you.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;24027429]All military vehicles, or at the very least Russian and American (I know for a fact) are protected against EMP. It's actually pretty easy to protect equipment and we've been doing it for years so they would not simply fall out of the sky as depicted. They use silicon carbide chips instead of the typical silicon microchips in the electronics and silicon carbide is immune to an EMP pulse. They were locked in the BMP and the two soldiers ontop of it were trying to pull the hatch open to get them out. Which is stupid because what kind of person doesn't put some sort of manual lock on a tank? Also, BMP's are also EMP protected. And assuming you were correct it makes no sense for a BMP crew to dawn protective suits in the heat of battle as the BMP has all the utilities to protect it's occupants from nuclear and biological weapons.[/QUOTE] So, are they protected or not?

What are you asking? 'Military Equipment' is a very encompassing subject. All vehicles are protected with the exception of what few that wouldn't be considered because they don't fit into a budget. If you spend all the money on a multi-million dollar jet or tank then you'd obviously protect them from EMP but for example vehicles like the new line of supply trucks we're getting may not be or those new IED protected vehicles because they're either not worth protecting. Any military vehicle, or at the very least most from the Cold War are protected, Deuce and a Half, the older generations of Humvees and tanks etc. But if you use the term 'military equipment' then you could list anything from radios, GPS or holo-sights.

I'm not asking any questions, merely trying to comprehend.

Even if you choose not to believe me, you can go ahead and trust Modern Warfare 2 for your knowledge on how the military operates. What with their exploding crossbows, RC-car bombs, spring loaded knives, riot shields, hip firing M82's and using knives with them one handed, Russians using Tavors, US Infantrymen with Desert Eagles and all.

I'm not getting this from MW2, nor do I trust MW2 with military knowledge. It's just that you look like you're backtracking through your posts. Also, spring loaded knives, do in fact exist. They are used by the Russian Spetsnaz.

No, no. I'm not doubting their existence, all the things I mentioned exist. The problem is using them in real-life situations. Just as you said I've only ever heard of Spetsnaz using them. Well, maybe not exploding crossbows (I remember something like that from Rambo) I mean, maybe you could create one but WHY? What circumstances would you need a explosive crossbow? And I am kind of backtracking because it's hard to explain. I do know these things, but how I came to their knowledge is hard to say and finding evidence to back it up is still kind of difficult. When I use terms like "All" I may not very well mean all but I might as well because a bulk or even a specific but important portion of the military does like the countless tanks or helicopters we use. I really need to do research on this. I can tell you a few vehicles that are protected, but I don't have a list. Abrams as I mentioned, the Apache, Cobra, the M109..

Sooooooooooo.

With the US military all cabling etc., that is prone to EMP is run in shielded conduit or the cable itself has an external shield. All connectors are made of metal and a continious ground bond is made throughout the entire electrical system. Individual components like say, a radio is in a completely enclosed metal box with the actual electronics isolated electrically from it inside. The box and other components are thoroughly ground bonded to provide a drain. Antennas are typically coupled through a capacitive cirucit with a drain to ground for stray currents not associated with the antenna's application. Shielding of cable can be anything from a woven single layer of metal like you might find on the shield of a coax cable to three or four layers or even seperate layers of woven shield over a cable. Cable in some applications is placed in a flexible conduit (usually also rubber jacketed for moisture protection). Often, there is a seperate grounding provided just as a drain for EMP and stray currents from the system ground itself. Major systems are also thoroughly tested against EMP during their design phase. Aircraft are tested in New Mexico on a special platform (its the world record holder for the largest entirely wooden (no metal) structure also) and subjected to EMP. Smaller items are tested in special chambers. [editline]12:38AM[/editline] Autooomerge [editline]12:40AM[/editline] While the equipment built for tactical use may be well enough shielded the military is heavily dependant on 'civilian spec' electronic equipment for non tactical communications and admin tasks. An EMP near military bases would place a wide variety of ordinary housekeeping communications/data processing at risk. [editline]12:41AM[/editline] I don't think an F-15 would crash due to loss of flight controls because it's not 100% completely dependent on electronics; there are some electronics but mainly for pilot control augmentation, not absolute control. I'm not sure how the engine/fuel controls would be affected by NEMP. They're protected, I'm sure, but it may not be 100% depending on the conditions. [editline]12:43AM[/editline] I have work tomorrow, going to bed now. I hope this helped at the very least, most of it is speculation and some of it I know, although I couldn't get you source material.

I'm pretty sure EMP is a nonissue because airplanes are basically Faraday cages.

Rerailing I saw the AAHB Glock carbine kit and I'm going to order it soon. It's a pretty good alternative to the FPG since I don't have $250 for a conversion kit.

I'd buy the FPG off of Ender if I could afford it. I have $50 out of $250.

Ditto, he's selling it for a pretty good deal considering the kit alone is $250. I wonder if the FPG would work for the new Marui Glocks? I mean, I could buy it if I wanted to, buy I already have a Glock and the carbine kit is on the way.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;24028238]With the US military all cabling etc., that is prone to EMP is run in shielded conduit or the cable itself has an external shield. All connectors are made of metal and a continious ground bond is made throughout the entire electrical system. Individual components like say, a radio is in a completely enclosed metal box with the actual electronics isolated electrically from it inside. The box and other components are thoroughly ground bonded to provide a drain. Antennas are typically coupled through a capacitive cirucit with a drain to ground for stray currents not associated with the antenna's application. Shielding of cable can be anything from a woven single layer of metal like you might find on the shield of a coax cable to three or four layers or even seperate layers of woven shield over a cable. Cable in some applications is placed in a flexible conduit (usually also rubber jacketed for moisture protection). Often, there is a seperate grounding provided just as a drain for EMP and stray currents from the system ground itself. Major systems are also thoroughly tested against EMP during their design phase. Aircraft are tested in New Mexico on a special platform (its the world record holder for the largest entirely wooden (no metal) structure also) and subjected to EMP. Smaller items are tested in special chambers. [editline]12:38AM[/editline] Autooomerge [editline]12:40AM[/editline] While the equipment built for tactical use may be well enough shielded the military is heavily dependant on 'civilian spec' electronic equipment for non tactical communications and admin tasks. An EMP near military bases would place a wide variety of ordinary housekeeping communications/data processing at risk. [editline]12:41AM[/editline] I don't think an F-15 would crash due to loss of flight controls because it's not 100% completely dependent on electronics; there are some electronics but mainly for pilot control augmentation, not absolute control. I'm not sure how the engine/fuel controls would be affected by NEMP. They're protected, I'm sure, but it may not be 100% depending on the conditions. [editline]12:43AM[/editline] I have work tomorrow, going to bed now. I hope this helped at the very least, most of it is speculation and some of it I know, although I couldn't get you source material.[/QUOTE] The only aircraft that is possibly protected, would be the B2 Stealth Bomber. And that's a maybe. Nothing else is protected from an EMP, whether it's a regular EMP or a Nuclear EMP.

[quote=identity;24036841]the only aircraft that is possibly protected, would be the b2 stealth bomber. And that's a maybe. Nothing else is protected from an emp, whether it's a regular emp or a nuclear emp.[/quote] [quote= Rah-66 and Ah-64 Longbow ] Also of note was the fact that the entire system used fiber optic cabling between chassis', and was originally hardened against EMP events. (nuclear events) This was a common feature of the day, and even now; there is a 'nuclear event trigger' in the hellfire and longbow missile systems - though it is long since obsolete. (the trigger cuts power to the guidance section to prevent burnout during an EMP event)[/quote] [quote=The Boeing Apache manual] ppg offers advanced coatings that protect transparencies and aircrews from various operational or environmental threats. Sierracote®, nesa® and nesatron® thin metal films form the basis of anti-ice/anti-fog electrical heating systems. Other ppg coatings and technologies offer low-observables performance, solar heat reduction, laser protection and [B]electromagnetic pulse (emp) shielding[/B]. These technologies are designed to be compatible with night vision systems.[/quote] [quote=New Sovietskiy Btr-290 wheeled infantry fighting vehicle] [B]special notes:[/B] [LIST] [*]the armored vehicle is fully nbc (nuclear, biological, chemical) protected, and all equipment is hardened against emp (electromagnetic pulse). [/LIST] [/quote] [quote=EMP Proof Military Vehicles] M1A1 is, too. They use silicon carbide chips instead of the typical silicon microchips in the electronics and silicon carbide is immune to an EMP pulse. A lot of military vehicles are going to be EMP proof, it seems, but silicon carbide is extremely expensive still, so the integration will probably be gradual. This is fairly old news, and the technology has developed much farther and, as I said, most electronics in the M1A1 are now made out of silicon carbide. It is just as efficient if not moreso than current electronics, but is highly resistant to radiation and electromagnetic pulses. First, the best way to protect against EMP is to not use electronics at all. Smaller circuits are more prone to damage. Most older diesel engines require no electricity whatsoever to run, so an old Mercedes diesel, before the mid 80's, would survive just fine. [/quote] The BTR-80 is not EMP proof and since the doors are electronic, the crew in MW2 could not get out of the vehicle. Hence why the two Russians were trying to open it from the outside. I don't mean to derail, although I am, but I'm just saying that CodeMonkey is right about some vehicles, if not many, are EMP proof. Think about it, if there was a possibility that an EMP could disable every vehicle, aircraft, and ship on the battlefield, wouldn't the military do something about it? Especially since the thought of it has been here for more or less half a decade.

That wasn't the point I was trying to make. First he says "Oh, well Russian and American military vehicles are protected." then "Well some of them are". The point I am trying to make is that the posts aren't adding up to a general conclusion. And the AH-64D is not EMP protected. Even if it was, all weapons, communication, and navigational systems would be inoperative.

[QUOTE=Identity;24039011]That wasn't the point I was trying to make. First he says "Oh, well Russian and American military vehicles are protected." then "Well some of them are". The point I am trying to make is that the posts aren't adding up to a general conclusion. And the AH-64D is not EMP protected. Even if it was, all weapons, communication, and navigational systems would be inoperative.[/QUOTE] I understand that he went back and said some but he was just fixing a mistake he made but what he is saying about some vehicles and aircrafts being EMP resistant is true. And I'm having a hard time understanding why you are saying the AH-64D is not EMP proof. I have evidence that the AH-64 Apaches are EMP resistant and yet you continue to say things without an proof to back you up.

[QUOTE=azndude;24040321]I understand that he went back and said some but he was just fixing a mistake he made but what he is saying about some vehicles and aircrafts being EMP resistant is true. And I'm having a hard time understanding why you are saying the AH-64D is not EMP proof. I have evidence that the AH-64 Apaches are EMP resistant and yet you continue to say things without an proof to back you up.[/QUOTE] You didn't post your source saying where you found the information. You quoted it as "Boeing Apache Manual". There are different models of the Apache, so which one is it. And how can I back up my statement, if that certain feature doesn't exist? [editline]02:30PM[/editline] There are vehicles that are EMP [i][b]resistant[/b][/i], but not EMP proof.

[URL]http://www.ppg.com/coatings/aerospace/transparencies1/boeing_apache_tb_v4.pdf[/URL] [URL]http://www.tpub.com/content/ahapache/TM-1-1520-238-23-2/index.htm[/URL] [URL]http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Rifts/Rifts-Pre-Rifts-Vehicles/Soviet/NS_BTR-290_Wheeled_IFV.htm[/URL] [URL]http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread163583/pg1[/URL] [URL]http://standeyo.com/News_Files/NBC/EMP.protection.html[/URL] And for those who believed that an ACOG can be taken out by an EMP: [URL]http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=92824&page=3[/URL]

I didn't say anything about ACOG's or Holosights because I wasn't positive if they used circuits or not but I was pretty sure they wouldn't be effected.

something ive been wondering, the EMP in MW2 that supposedly knocks out all electrics but what ive never understood about EMP's does it just knock out the things it can until someone gets off their arse and replaces the stuff fried (ie fix it) or does it just wear off after a while?

Completely fries it. You need to replace all damaged components.

No, it quite literally fries all circuitry. Also, Azndude, those links didn't really help. That first one you posted was about glass and impact resistant blast shielding. [editline]05:25PM[/editline] Discovery had some special on a couple years ago about EMP's. If one is detonated high enough in the air, with enough yield, then the entire United States, parts of Canada, and Mexico, would be completely without power for months, if not longer.

[b]WHO CARES, FUCK[/b] I'm probably going to be saving up for the CYMA/E1 RPK that's comming out [i]soonish[/i] If I get enough money before then to afford both the TM UZI and the RPK i'll probably grab a TM UZI with a wood stock kit.

Soonish? That sounds just as good as "forecast" or "expected". How much is it retailing for?

Last I heard it'll be around 200 dollars, but i'm hoping on getting another electric magazine and some pouches for the drum magazines.