Should The Internet Be The Wild West? - General

The internet should only be regulated if it directly stops the commission of crimes against humanity. For example, nuclear bomb making instructions, instructions for making tabun gas, instructions for acquiring anthrax etc. should definitely censored.

[QUOTE='[MWRP] Sherlock;36786553']The internet should only be regulated if it directly stops the commission of crimes against humanity. For example, nuclear bomb making instructions, instructions for making tabun gas, instructions for acquiring anthrax etc. should definitely censored.[/QUOTE] That information isn't currently censored, and shouldn't be.

I think the internet should not be regulated,but patched/cleaned.It needs to be regulated,without being controlled.Kind of as a highway,where they don't watch your speed all the time but will clear the debris.

This is a hard thing to think upon. To first put out here, nobody owns the internet. With that being said nobody should be allowed to control what goes on it and what people are allowed to access. Now, governments can use information from it to allocate crimes to others, such as hacking, theft, harassment, or fraud, but they aren't allowed to keep people from doing that on the internet. You can't have laws saying you can't do this on the internet, but you can have laws saying if your actions cause this or do this then you are appointed for your crimes. Not even companies should be allowed to control any aspects except over what they own. This is another territory where companies try to keep anybody else from copying content that they own. All their content is data. If the data is used to receive a profit and is used without their permission (if it is even needed) then there can be a case against the company or person who has done so. Otherwise free-use should be put out and be allowed for anybody to use it for anything. Sharing to friends, news articles over it, putting it in blogs, uploading a video about it, or posting it on a social network, and many other ways of using it for non-profit should be completely allowed. The internet is the last frontier of freedom and a place where information should be able to be accessed by anyone for anybody. If you put it on the internet then you are willing to accept the fact that anybody can see it or will attempt to.

[QUOTE=nehkz;36658120]Certainly. Well, first of all the government in my country have decided to block a certain website (I'm sure you've heard about it) which is just absolute madness. The madness of these people, thinking they have power to control what was always meant to be a free place. Secondly, since the internet is a free place, it's like, let's say cowboys invading a Indian tribe. It shouldn't happen. (Sorry if that made no sense, I'm very bad at expressing myself in words.)[/QUOTE] Well honestly the way governments usually block websites is retarded shit like DNS blocking. There are about a billion ways to circumvent that shit, hell, just typing the sites ip address in your browser window is essentially circumventing it. Even if they used something more powerful to block the site you can just use something as simple as a proxy. Personally I just don't like it when they take down whole websites. I guess some truly illegal shit like money laundering and such would justify it, stuff that affects the real world. But I want to see it properly, legally taken down, not shit like with the recent demonoid takedown where they fucked everything up and stealthily took that shit away.

I honestly believe the internet should be regulated as too keep unwanted things from the general scene of what people see, such as child pornography.

In Civilization IV, when you finish researching Liberalism, it reads off a quote: [QUOTE][I]"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." - Benjamin Franklin[/I][/QUOTE] Its one of the first things I thought about when people started talking about CP and other things that "should" be taken off the internet. The Internet is all about being able to share information, no one ever said that the information had to fit into your own moral standards. CP is something complicated, because first one needs to decided what is CP and what isn't, an American man was arrested when coming to Canada because he basically had Hentai on his laptop. The style of the artwork can make them look child like, but the thing is... Not only is it a drawing, but they only looked young and the intention was for them to be above 18. Either way, it was only a drawing. Not a single child was hurt. The internet in itself should not be regulated. But that does not stop any government from kicking down Mr.CP's door and arresting him for having CP on their computer. Or arresting people who have done terrible things to children.

[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;36618576]If you cant take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. The internet should be free of restriction. It is the last safe haven left.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Now, if cyber crime results in real life repercussions, then yeah, there need to be laws and rules in place to deal with the outcome. Other than that, policing and regulating the internet in the current sense that governments are attempting to, is immoral and ridiculous, to say the least.

Personally I would love to be able to stick a .38 revolver into my webcam and duel people over the internet with it loljk IMO I think that the internet SHOULD be regulated, but with common sense. For example, it would be sensible to block sites that distribute pirated downloadable materials on a large scale, while on the other hand, censoring information on sites like Wikileaks would be a violation of free speech.

My opinion about this is that majority of the things posted online should be free of regulations, however there should be a stopping point where whats being posted just crosses the line (Child Porn, Cyber Bullying, etc).

[QUOTE=Michael haxz;37240086]My opinion about this is that majority of the things posted online should be free of regulations, however there should be a stopping point where whats being posted just crosses the line (Child Porn, Cyber Bullying, etc).[/QUOTE] The big problem is deciding who should say where that line is.

[QUOTE=st0rmforce;37247131]The big problem is deciding who should say where that line is.[/QUOTE] Welp No plan is perfect my brother

In regards to things that are truly inhumane, like real suffering glorified (simulated suffering is art, real suffering is bad), there should be regulations and whatnot, but otherwise it should remain the "New World" of the 21st century, untempered by special interests and playing the part of a place where things like freedom, entertainment, information, titillation, etc, are in abundance.

[QUOTE=toaster468;36653116]The deep web is the part of the internet that is not indexed by search engines, it doesn't mean that there is illegal stuff on it. Besides, a big part of the deep web is internal college campus websites and similar stuff.[/QUOTE] The deep web also refers to near-impenetrable networks such as Tor,Freenet or i2p.Non-indexed websites are easily tracked/removed.Besides,if it gains fame and is linked to chances are it will become indexed.

[QUOTE=Muthenfrucheir;37342067]The deep web also refers to near-impenetrable networks such as Tor,Freenet or i2p.Non-indexed websites are easily tracked/removed.Besides,if it gains fame and is linked to chances are it will become indexed.[/QUOTE] the deep web is unindexed because it can't be indexed, not because they choose not to index it. And Tor and Freenet are part of the deep web.

needs to be full regulated n stuff i dont want child porn on internet and shit man and anyone who is like hurr it's good if it's crazy and freedoms etc is probably some 420 faggot who just wants to jack off to cp all day and order drugs online

The Wild West implies the highly romantic idea of what the Wild West has become thanks to Hollywood. In reality, the Wild West was a dangerous place, without law, without order and people getting killed/burned was the norm. It was a true libertarian place, and as such is a perfect example of how unregulated anything can be extremely bad. We need rules and recourse, the only question is where and what we can regulate and where we shouldn't touch.

[QUOTE=Swilly;37365990]The Wild West implies the highly romantic idea of what the Wild West has become thanks to Hollywood. In reality, the Wild West was a dangerous place, without law, without order and people getting killed/burned was the norm. It was a true libertarian place, and as such is a perfect example of how unregulated anything can be extremely bad. We need rules and recourse, the only question is where and what we can regulate and where we shouldn't touch.[/QUOTE] except you can't kill someone over the internet.

Exactly,anything you don't like on the internet you can just ignore really,to a degree. (That has not yet been met..)

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;37366237]except you can't kill someone over the internet.[/QUOTE] Cybering bullying has claimed lives. The theft of personal information from websites has destroyed countless others. And you forget that most illegal banking transactions take place online because its easier to hide your activity then doing it in real life which goes into the laundering trade and into mob families and that causes the death toll to rise. The internet is so interwoven into everything and you ignore it for this dream land fun house that DOESN'T exist. But we'll leave it to that whole, 'You're an idiot and you should suffer like one because I need an ego boost'.

Although I agree that web regulation is incredibly stupid and should never be done, many thing done over the internet are actually illegal. Governments should work harder on preventing that, instead of 'OmG that person on twitter said bad stuff about my dad wtf!!11one' (Someone was arrested for saying bad things about Tom Daley's dad, bla bla, ridiculous story.) Plus the web is such a huge part of daily life now it kind of has to be regulated in some way, but not by governments.

[QUOTE=Swilly;37375384]Cybering bullying has claimed lives. The theft of personal information from websites has destroyed countless others. And you forget that most illegal banking transactions take place online because its easier to hide your activity then doing it in real life which goes into the laundering trade and into mob families and that causes the death toll to rise. The internet is so interwoven into everything and you ignore it for this dream land fun house that DOESN'T exist. But we'll leave it to that whole, 'You're an idiot and you should suffer like one because I need an ego boost'.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but cyberbullying is nothing like a shootout in the Wild West. You can turn off the computer, and BAM! the bullies are gone. You can't turn off real life. That personal information can only be stolen because you put it up there. And so what if mob families launder money through the internet? the crimes they committed happened in real life, so that's no reason to regulate the web.

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;36619181]i myself don't really see the bad side of this. i don't use all the bad stuff that lurks in the deep dark internet but then, i support freedom of speech and information so i'm just a massive hypocrite. :v:[/QUOTE] IF one of SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, or CISPA become real world internet laws, then every search engine like Google, Bing, Yahoo, and anything else you can think of will go down, causing a massive collapse in internet profit and such [url]http://www.1stwebdesigner.com/design/how-sopa-pipa-can-affect-you/[/url] I think that the internet should be a COMPLETELY Wild West sort of area, if you can't control it, then don't try to.

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;37376408]I'm sorry, but cyberbullying is nothing like a shootout in the Wild West. You can turn off the computer, and BAM! the bullies are gone. You can't turn off real life. That personal information can only be stolen because you put it up there. And so what if mob families launder money through the internet? the crimes they committed happened in real life, so that's no reason to regulate the web.[/QUOTE] No, they're not gone. Most cybering bullying is done by people WHO know you in real life. And because they can't get away with it in school, they do it online outside of school. But you run into them everyday, and if you have to run away to make it stop, that's called HARASSMENT which can lead to depression which can lead to self infliction and or suicidal tendencies. And you're basically saying, 'So what if they're doing illegal activity that we even agree is illegal, its on the internet, fuck the law from actually doing a good job.'

[QUOTE=Swilly;37390706]No, they're not gone. Most cybering bullying is done by people WHO know you in real life. And because they can't get away with it in school, they do it online outside of school. But you run into them everyday, and if you have to run away to make it stop, that's called HARASSMENT which can lead to depression which can lead to self infliction and or suicidal tendencies. And you're basically saying, 'So what if they're doing illegal activity that we even agree is illegal, its on the internet, fuck the law from actually doing a good job.'[/QUOTE] If cyberbullying is done by people that you know in real life, how is regulating the internet going to help? if you can't escape by logging off, how is regulation going to help? and I'm saying we should catch criminals in real life, instead of trying to find them on the internet (good luck trying to track them down on the deep web). The Internet is nothing more than a collection of information. Information is not illegal. Information does not kill. Information should not be regulated.

The internet is a place for people to express themselves, not a place that people control just bcause they've been hacked in the internet and formed a group a fucking victimes and decided to control it. FUCK SOPA PIPA AND ALL OTHER FUTURE SHITTY ORGANISATION !

[QUOTE=Muryai;37428472]The internet is a place for people to express themselves, not a place that people control just bcause they've been hacked in the internet and formed a group a fucking victimes and decided to control it. FUCK SOPA PIPA AND ALL OTHER FUTURE SHITTY ORGANISATION ![/QUOTE] This thread is for debating, not ranting like a twelve-year old.

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;37391535]If cyberbullying is done by people that you know in real life, how is regulating the internet going to help? if you can't escape by logging off, how is regulation going to help? and I'm saying we should catch criminals in real life, instead of trying to find them on the internet (good luck trying to track them down on the deep web). The Internet is nothing more than a collection of information. Information is not illegal. Information does not kill. Information should not be regulated.[/QUOTE] Information kills all the time. That's a very naive way at looking at life.

[QUOTE=Swilly;37429651]Information kills all the time. That's a very naive way at looking at life.[/QUOTE] how does information kill? do you have examples?

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;37433757]how does information kill? do you have examples?[/QUOTE] Informants, Spies, security leaks(actual ones not the bullshit we see in the news), CIA, Special Forces. I could go on. They all use intel, or information, to plan out attacks and strike plans against their enemies. Without this information they would die. Information is the key to life and death.