The Gay Chat Thread - E-Relationships Edition - General

I think this is like when my parents get confused over the concept of Facebook "You don't need to have irl friends" I mean what the fuck I'm just not able to think like that I'd be miserable if I had no friends I get some people are loners, but suggesting that internet friendships match real friendships is just bizarre

[QUOTE=DoktorAvidan;37008359]If you want to flame me, you're more than welcome to. I'm on Steam right now.[/QUOTE] Don't feel like, I am in serious chest pain and on a phone, wouldn't be the best of times to be bothering to think putting people down is a good idea. Also nice with medication, drugging you up doesn't help a bad psyche.

Who's to decide what is normal? What does or doesn't work for the majority automatically makes me "wrong"? Given this thread's existence, seems rather ironic.

[QUOTE=DoktorAvidan;37008518]Who's to decide what is normal? What does or doesn't work for the majority automatically makes me "wrong"? Given this thread's existence, seems rather ironic.[/QUOTE] Don't play dumb, not being socially retarded is what is defined as "normal" when people say that someone is not normal. If the majority of people are not agreeing with you very strongly chances are you're wrong.

[QUOTE=eurocracy;37008487]Don't feel like, I am in serious chest pain and on a phone, wouldn't be the best of times to be bothering to think putting people down is a good idea. Also nice with medication, drugging you up doesn't help a bad psyche.[/QUOTE] I dunno you're doing a good job already just now. my psyche isn't "bad" You're grossly exaggerating and misconstruing my posts. I'm tired and I don't care enough to smooth out the wrinkles of the point I'm trying to make. So it's whatever.

[QUOTE=Splurgy_A;37008484]I think this is like when my parents get confused over the concept of Facebook "You don't need to have irl friends" I mean what the fuck I'm just not able to think like that I'd be miserable if I had no friends I get some people are loners, but suggesting that internet friendships match real friendships is just bizarre[/QUOTE] Sometimes internet friendships can surpass "real friendships", you implying that internet friendship isn't real is just stupid. Many people have things to say, but can't really have the courage to speak their mind face to face with a "real friend". I have this issue, I feel like if I speak my mind to some of my friends that I may be judged. I find it easier to express myself on the internet, and it brings me closer to people that I live far away from. Please don't play the "IRL FRIENDSHIP ≠ INTERNET FRIENDSHIP" game, because that's false as hell. I can sense a flaming, and I don't care, yell at me if you want but that's my point and I'm sticking by it.

I always thought it was fairly obvious irl friendships generally trump internet-only ones, but apparently not. Shit, if it were true that they're just as good then I should be the happiest goddamn bloke this side of the northern hemisphere, but as it stands I make the Grouch look like Mr Rogers on MDMA.

I don't know if just painting over all my posts from today is "I'm Bi-Polar and I took my meds far later in the day than i'm supposed to because I passed out all day and I'm in a shitty mood" will suffice.

[QUOTE=DoktorAvidan;37008550]I dunno you're doing a good job already just now. my psyche isn't "bad" You're grossly exaggerating and misconstruing my posts. I'm tired and I don't care enough to smooth out the wrinkles of the point I'm trying to make. So it's whatever.[/QUOTE] You told everyone in this thread some internet tough guy stories that made you look like a violent prick. Don't start whining when we don't start agreeing with someone who has planned out situations in which he would kill his friends. Do you understand how brutal you'd have to go in detail to think about killing someone in your mind? Very bad psyche. [editline]30th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=DoktorAvidan;37008579]I don't know if just painting over all my posts from today is "I'm Bi-Polar and I took my meds far later in the day than i'm supposed to because I passed out all day and I'm in a shitty mood" will suffice.[/QUOTE] You're thinking about the "I HAVE A MEDICAL CONDITION" bailout? It doesn't help/work in every way, believe me.

[QUOTE=DoktorAvidan;37008518]Who's to decide what is normal? What does or doesn't work for the majority automatically makes me "wrong"? Given this thread's existence, seems rather ironic.[/QUOTE] You're not normal. We can play "normal is relative and everything is subjective" until the cows come home, but that's pretty entry level philosophy. Let's brush aside "The Dummy's Guide to Existentialism" for a second here and review the situation -You don't see the point of friendship -You get "burnt out" interacting with "humans" -You have considered how you would kill your friends -You drew a knife on someone because they were playing silly buggers with a dildo -You're on medication You're [B]not[/B] normal. You're not healthy. Your advice is bad advice to give people. A normal person would not benefit from being told that friendship is not necessary. For a normal person, friendship is necessary to be happy and function well in society. You can replace the word normal for whatever describes people who fit this description for you; normal is the stand in filler word. None of your advice is relevant to someone who's expressed a desire for friendship and is lonely. It's counterproductive to tell them that they don't need friendship - they clearly need friendship but are afraid to approach it. This affectation of nihilism would only give them something to hide behind and prevent them from moving towards happiness.

Is this the part in the conversation where you go "well OF COURSE it's an American?" I sense it's going to be a thing now. A European Civilian discussing such things with a U.S. Marine. Let's draw up our chairs now and get all the popped corn and carbonated beverages. You in this for the long haul? I dunno. It's getting rather silly now.

About the internet friends, real life friends thing. They satisfy different parts of you, your internet friends do not give you the same feelings as your real friends, and that's good in a way. I wouldn't like to do without either.

[QUOTE=GhostProject;37008554]Sometimes internet friendships can surpass "real friendships", you implying that internet friendship isn't real is just stupid. Many people have things to say, but can't really have the courage to speak their mind face to face with a "real friend". I have this issue, I feel like if I speak my mind to some of my friends that I may be judged. I find it easier to express myself on the internet, and it brings me closer to people that I live far away from. Please don't play the "IRL FRIENDSHIP ≠ INTERNET FRIENDSHIP" game, because that's false as hell. I can sense a flaming, and I don't care, yell at me if you want but that's my point and I'm sticking by it.[/QUOTE] Sometimes internet friendship is real. Generally, it's not the same thing though. In the vast majority of cases, internet friendship isn't real. I'm "internet friends" with quite a few people from quite a few forums, and when I was younger I considered some of those internet friends to be true friends. Now I have an active social life, I would say that what I thought were friendships were really more vague fondness, the sort of feelings I have for people I bump into at parties a lot - they seem fun, they're nice; I like them. It's not friendship. I would say I have two friendships from internet friendships. Generally however, "internet friend" ≠ "friend". I'd argue that the nuances of face-to-face communication cannot adequately be compensated for on the internet and I don't think it's healthy to try. This is a similar argument to "internet relationships" vis-à-vis "relationships".

I never gave advice to anyone. I don't see how that's on me.

[QUOTE=DoktorAvidan;37008031]I don't understand the question I think we're talking about different things here. I'm fully capable of interacting with humans, I just get burnt out on them eventually. It's not that I dwell on those particular scenarios, I've thought of every facet of scenario for every person I've met, this includes a situation where I would have to defend myself against them, it helps to have a plan.[/QUOTE] To be completely honest this isn't that atypical of a viewpoint; I just think aforementioned poster is taking it to the extreme. While I'd never go so far or brazen to say I'd murder any of my friends should the situation arise; I can't help but see friendship as a definite double-edged sword from my viewpoint and that makes anyone who is more of a burden than anything else makes their friendship to me far more expendable because I find it emotionally and mentally stressful and tiring to deal with said people and there reaches a point where I have to burn my bridges. I wouldn't call it abnormal or atypical; it's just a strong bias towards introverted behavior. I spend a fair amount of my free time by myself when I could actually be hanging out with friends; but I don't because that requires a certain amount of energy that sometimes I'm just not willing to expend on someone else's behalf. [editline]30th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Splurgy_A;37008632]You're not normal. We can play "normal is relative and everything is subjective" until the cows come home, but that's pretty entry level philosophy. Let's brush aside "The Dummy's Guide to Existentialism" for a second here and review the situation -You don't see the point of friendship -You get "burnt out" interacting with "humans" -You have considered how you would kill your friends -You drew a knife on someone because they were playing silly buggers with a dildo -You're on medication You're [B]not[/B] normal. You're not healthy. Your advice is bad advice to give people. A normal person would not benefit from being told that friendship is not necessary. For a normal person, friendship is necessary to be happy and function well in society. You can replace the word normal for whatever describes people who fit this description for you; normal is the stand in filler word. None of your advice is relevant to someone who's expressed a desire for friendship and is lonely. It's counterproductive to tell them that they don't need friendship - they clearly need friendship but are afraid to approach it. This affectation of nihilism would only give them something to hide behind and prevent them from moving towards happiness.[/QUOTE] Telling someone they're not normal is rather rude considering that's what people have been telling us homosexuals for a large amount of time; either the word 'normal' is outdated or the concept clearly doesn't exist. He's fairly statistically normal considering how many people are on psych-meds; not everyone is an extrovert like yourself. Though I do have to agree saying you have a plan on how to kill your friends is pretty creepy. oh and he drew a knife on someone that's not cool yeah nevermind that's not normal

[QUOTE=DoktorAvidan;37008670]Is this the part in the conversation where you go "well OF COURSE it's an American?" I sense it's going to be a thing now. A European Civilian discussing such things with a U.S. Marine. Let's draw up our chairs now and get all the popped corn and carbonated beverages. You in this for the long haul? I dunno. It's getting rather silly now.[/QUOTE] How does him being european and you being american/in the military affect this? Seriously that post went full retard.

Splurgy, quit taking things so serious.

[QUOTE=DoktorAvidan;37008718]I never gave advice to anyone. I don't see how that's on me.[/QUOTE] After discussion where people talk about social aspects and the neglect and loneliness of it not too long ago, you waltzed in and said that it pretty much wasn't needed and then went on to describe really fucked up shit. [editline]30th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sr.;37008763]Splurgy, quit taking things so serious.[/QUOTE] This isn't an unserious topic.

And it greatly amused me.

[QUOTE=DoktorAvidan;37008670]Is this the part in the conversation where you go "well OF COURSE it's an American?" I sense it's going to be a thing now. A European Civilian discussing such things with a U.S. Marine. Let's draw up our chairs now and get all the popped corn and carbonated beverages. You in this for the long haul? I dunno. It's getting rather silly now.[/QUOTE] This has nothing to do with you being an American. In fact most Americans I've met are very friendly, more so than your average British person who can be quite cold and stand-offish on first acquaintance. I think the fact you strongly identify as an American with differences to "Europeans" (this is a bad term to use, because the differences between British people and loudly Mediterranean people, such as Italians, is like comparing Canadians to Mexicans) probably speaks a lot, because those who draw such false distinctions usually have a whole lot of things going on. The fact you're a US Marine is irrelevant. My Dad was in the army and is a very friendly and genial person (a "Cockney Sparrow" if you will) who has an active social life. I think some people who are attracted to the military might have underlying psychological conditions that makes a life of violence appealing, but to suggest there's a difference between the civilian approach to friendship and the military approach to friendship is fallacious. In fact, from what my Dad remembers of the army and what soldiers my age tell me of the modern army, the sense of camaraderie and kinship from serving in a regiment is hard to match. There's no need for fizzy drinks and popcorn because this is not about you being an American or a soldier; this is about [I]you[/I]. You clearly have mental issues.

[QUOTE=eurocracy;37008722]How does him being european and you being american/in the military affect this? Seriously that post went full retard.[/QUOTE] Because everyone across the pond I've ever talked to has turned their nose up at me like I'm so sort of barbaric savage because I was trained to make such decisions.

[QUOTE=DoktorAvidan;37008670] A European Civilian discussing such things with a U.S. Marine. [/QUOTE] "I'm a U.S. Marine and that means that I'm more sensible."

[QUOTE=DoktorAvidan;37008824]Because everyone across the pond I've ever talked to has turned their nose up at me like I'm so sort of barbaric savage because I was trained to make such decisions.[/QUOTE] My uncle was in the army and before he died he was one of the nicest people in the world who would not think to harm a single person outside of his duty. He's one of my idols in a way. Being in the army does not make you that way.

[QUOTE=DoktorAvidan;37008670]Is this the part in the conversation where you go "well OF COURSE it's an American?" I sense it's going to be a thing now. A European Civilian discussing such things with a U.S. Marine. Let's draw up our chairs now and get all the popped corn and carbonated beverages. You in this for the long haul? I dunno. It's getting rather silly now.[/QUOTE] I'm American and even if you served you're country you're giving us a bad name now with your persecution-complex. Nobody was going to bring up the fact that you're an American until you brought up the fact you're an American. I think he's just looking for a e-fight because he's feeling fiesty guys ~watch out for him~. [QUOTE=DoktorAvidan;37008824]Because everyone across the pond I've ever talked to has turned their nose up at me like I'm so sort of barbaric savage because I was trained to make such decisions.[/QUOTE] No they're turning their nose up at you just because you act barbaric and savage; it doesn't have anything to do with your training.

oh hi gay chat what did i just walk into?

[b]What is even going on in this thread anymore.[/b]

[QUOTE=DoktorAvidan;37008824]Because everyone across the pond I've ever talked to has turned their nose up at me like I'm so sort of barbaric savage because I was trained to make such decisions.[/QUOTE] Nobody I know would turn up their nose at a US Marine. The British public has quite a large amount of respect for the military, and we generally like Americans. Americans tend to [i]shine[/i] in a way most British people don't; we're drawn to Americans for their enthusiasm and charisma. Now, an American Exceptionalist who goes around loudly proclaiming they're proud to serve their country and rubbing their jingoism in our faces... yeah, we'd turn our nose up at that. The British do not really "do" patriotism. I remember a reddit thread where an American ex-pat was complaining his American flag had been nicked from his front garden; redditors were mildly sympathetic but didn't really care. He became enraged that we weren't emotionally invested in pieces of fabric and pointed out he also flew a Union Jack; the response was "Stop putting bloody flags everywhere you idiot". Your acerbic personality is really starting to show through in your posts. It's almost certainly this that has caused people to cool to you, rather than anything to do with your nationality or profession.

Avidan told everyone he has contingency plans that include murdering his friends and then went internet tough guy. tl;dr version we're arguing with someone who seems like a sociopath.

[QUOTE=eurocracy;37008963]Avidan told everyone he has contingency plans that include murdering his friends and then went internet tough guy.[/QUOTE] lol

I don't get what you're trying to accomplish here. I've been in some shitty situations and done some rather shitty things that have generally embittered me toward others, I've never been one to find camaraderie with others in service. Given both the American and USMC aspect of it, isn't exactly a "friendly" environment if you're queer. So yeah, Your "my dad was in the british armed forces" Our tribes are different, bruv. THat's the point I'm trying to make. I had no love for those in my service as I never connected with many of them. entirely different denominations of people. Your comparisons are unfounded here. And don't take all this "killing business" to heart. It's incredibly silly and you're not making it fun for me anymore.