[QUOTE=killerteacup;32107972]The real question is whether it took all those regenerations to save him, or just one and the rest become his.[/QUOTE]
Actually, hold on a minute.
1. When the Doctor entered the TARDIS after being poisoned it said Regeneration disabled. Because he ran out or because he was poisoned? (Poison should have no influence at all on regeneration). My guess is that he was out of regenerations.
2. When the Doctor got shot by the astronaut he started regenerating. If he was out of regenerations in the first place how could he have started regenerating?
So who is the doctor that got shot? Flesh Doctor? Normal doctor with regenerations given to him by Melody?
[QUOTE=Marlamin;32108058]Actually, hold on a minute.
1. When the Doctor entered the TARDIS after being poisoned it said Regeneration disabled. Because he ran out or because he was poisoned? (Poison should have no influence at all on regeneration). My guess is that he was out of regenerations.
2. When the Doctor got shot by the astronaut he started regenerating. If he was out of regenerations in the first place how could he have started regenerating?
So who is the doctor that got shot? Flesh Doctor? Normal doctor with regenerations given to him by Melody?[/QUOTE]
The poison was probably a certain type of poison designed to stop a Timelord from regenerating, probably given to Melody by The Silence. What's the point in killing The Doctor if he could just regenerate?
I liked how the poison was from a Judas plant or something, because the Doctor was betrayed by the one that loved him most.
[QUOTE=Marlamin;32108058]Actually, hold on a minute.
1. When the Doctor entered the TARDIS after being poisoned it said Regeneration disabled. Because he ran out or because he was poisoned? (Poison should have no influence at all on regeneration). My guess is that he was out of regenerations.
2. When the Doctor got shot by the astronaut he started regenerating. If he was out of regenerations in the first place how could he have started regenerating?
So who is the doctor that got shot? Flesh Doctor? Normal doctor with regenerations given to him by Melody?[/QUOTE]
River's lip poison disabled the regeneration, he's not out, even with the meta doctor he had one left. Fairly sure its even mentioned in the episode that the poison disables it.
He's got 13 regenerations, counting meta doctor, that one was 12, so he could either have regenerated with the poison and not regenerated at Lake Silencio (no sense at all) or the poison was suited to disabled a regeneration and he could have regenerated at Lake Silencio, thus using his last regen (sense)
[QUOTE=Marlamin;32107964]She gave them all, since next time she dies she really dies.[/QUOTE]
But the way she died was a way that no-one could regenerate out of.
[editline]4th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dan2593;32096458]Same solution too.
THE POWAH OF LUV!
Like Victory of the Fucking Daleks[/QUOTE]
I remember you defending the ending of Victory of the Daleks to me on MSN by saying "If the machine doesn't think it's a miachine then it stops working" or something like that.
[QUOTE=Marlamin;32108058]Actually, hold on a minute.
1. When the Doctor entered the TARDIS after being poisoned it said Regeneration disabled. Because he ran out or because he was poisoned? (Poison should have no influence at all on regeneration). My guess is that he was out of regenerations.
2. When the Doctor got shot by the astronaut he started regenerating. If he was out of regenerations in the first place how could he have started regenerating?
So who is the doctor that got shot? Flesh Doctor? Normal doctor with regenerations given to him by Melody?[/QUOTE]
The doctor getting shot by the astronaut happened after the events of Let's Kill Hitler, so he might have gotten his regenerations back.
You guys should all get Google+ so we can do some hangouts and stuff
[QUOTE=Acezorz;32108612]You guys should all get Google+ so we can do some hangouts and stuff[/QUOTE]
I'm up for one now.
I know, lets all go to Bristol and go chav hunting...
i was listening to the radio and john barroman was on talking about doctor who and torchwood, he said he would love ot come back with the 11th doctor, i thought he was already coming back in this series?
[QUOTE=killerteacup;32107553]After Let's Kill Hitler, I liked this episode. I think Moffat has lost the plot so to speak in quite a few ways because its so big and convoluted that you can't keep a hold of it. Its a great show for me to watch in front of the computer and love to bits, but when it comes to watching it with my family, I feel embarrassed to say I like it - because its such a huge effort to understand and think about.
In a way, I'm starting to see the flaws in the Moffat-era. Matt Smith is an amazing doctor to be sure, definitely my favourite yet, but when the plot isn't being carried by this huge arch-plot complicated twists-within-twists stuff, the episodes themselves have a tendency to fall a little short of expectations because you expect something so complicated. The Impossible Astronaut set the scene and was fantastic in that respect, and Good Man Goes to War continued it very well, but Let's Kill Hitler was a totally unnecessary addition to an already complicated plot. Mels didn't need to exist, and the episode's events just pissed me off in the end because it doesn't seem to be working towards a conclusion like it should be, just adding more questions. In essence, Moffat split the series into two parts - what you'd expect to be a setup, and a conclusion. In the conclusion, you never add more points, you resolve what has been established. I think I will be satisfied by the end but I will never be satisfied by the establishment of this part.
Night Terrors was a pretty naff episode, but I liked it because it was just a good old-fashioned adventure. The next one looks great, not sure why but it looks very surreal and not your standard fare, and I hope it lives up to my expectations.
Also Matt's on for Series 7, if he wasn't we'd probably already know who is the next doctor.[/QUOTE]
I like how convoluted it is, because I'm confident that Moffat knows what he's doing with it, and the reason it's so convoluted is because he's using time travel as fully as he can, and bloody effectively at that.
That nursery rhyme still gives me the creeps. :(
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;32108262]But the way she died was a way that no-one could regenerate out of.
[editline]4th September 2011[/editline]
I remember you defending the ending of Victory of the Daleks to me on MSN by saying "If the machine doesn't think it's a miachine then it stops working" or something like that.[/QUOTE]
Which now I realise is stupid.
My only grip with the last two seasons which at first was easy to ignore but is becoming more distracting is the crap enemies.
The Slitheen were shit but still had defining quirks, did more than 'chase and look scary' and weren't defeated in 5 seconds. It actually looked like they COULD win.
Nearly everything, even the Daleks, are now defeated at the last minute with no consequences, little-to none on-screen kills. No threat. Spend most the time either walking around or talking.
The stories of Doctor Who have become MUCH better. So has character dialogue. But the enemies, are letting it down hugely. The Abzorbalof[COLOR=#2f2cb8]f[/COLOR] was more dangerous than a Smiler. The whole of the Series 6 villains but The Silence and House sucked. They all walk, talk and hide in dark places before being abruptly wrapped up.
But like I said, stories and characters are much better. Lot of moral dilemmas. Enemies suck.
[editline]4th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=vladnag;32109066]i was listening to the radio and john barroman was on talking about doctor who and torchwood, he said he would love ot come back with the 11th doctor, i thought he was already coming back in this series?[/QUOTE]
No.
He was supposed to come back as one of the people who owes The Doctor a favour but was filming Torchwood. If Torchwood wasn't renewed it would've been fine.
Sigh, Atmoph should really stop trying
While it's nice he's so devoted to Doctor Who, he's getting pretty annoying in my opinion, making alt after alt :v:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnp45EPfGN8&feature=player_embedded[/media]
Overall Con thing but, the Doctor Who part was hilarious.
Could someone explain to me how Mels got to be living in the same village as Amy after last regenerating in New York? We didn't see her (presumably adoptive) parents - and how did she get registered for school, healthcare and so on with no birth records?
[QUOTE=verynicelady;32112415]Could someone explain to me how Mels got to be living in the same village as Amy after last regenerating in New York? We didn't see her (presumably adoptive) parents - and how did she get registered for school, healthcare and so on with no birth records?[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSf9aEETnvE[/media]
The same way Amelia was allowed to live by herself when she was younger in the crack universe.
[QUOTE=verynicelady;32112415]Could someone explain to me how Mels got to be living in the same village as Amy after last regenerating in New York? We didn't see her (presumably adoptive) parents - and how did she get registered for school, healthcare and so on with no birth records?[/QUOTE]
I assume the organisation that weaponised her forged the necessary documents.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;32111281]Which now I realise is stupid.
My only grip with the last two seasons which at first was easy to ignore but is becoming more distracting is the crap enemies.
The Slitheen were shit but still had defining quirks, did more than 'chase and look scary' and weren't defeated in 5 seconds. It actually looked like they COULD win.
Nearly everything, even the Daleks, are now defeated at the last minute with no consequences, little-to none on-screen kills. No threat. Spend most the time either walking around or talking.[/QUOTE]
Agreed about the Daleks. I miss them when they were first brought back like in Bad Wolf and The Parting of the Ways where they absolutely slaughter hundreds of people. It made you think "Shit, someone needs to stop these guys; they're killing everyone!" instead of "Oh look, Daleks. They'll probably kill one or two people then get defeated by some stupid plot device."
I want to see an episode where the Daleks actually win for once.
[QUOTE=Acezorz;32112828]Agreed about the Daleks. I miss them when they were first brought back like in Bad Wolf and The Parting of the ways where they absolutely slaughter hundreds of people. It made you think "Shit, someone needs to stop these guys; they're killing everyone!" instead of "Oh look, Daleks. They'll probably kill one or two people then get defeated by some stupid plot device."
[B]I want to see an episode where the Daleks actually win for once.[/B][/QUOTE]
That was the whole point of Victory of the Daleks.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;32112974]That was the whole point of Victory of the Daleks.[/QUOTE]
They didn't win though, did they? Sure they brought themselves back, but they ultimately failed to blow up the planet.
Obviously destroying Earth is too much of a victory, but at least give them something more than "We're back again, haha!"
[QUOTE=Acezorz;32113094]They didn't win though, did they? Sure they brought themselves back, but they ultimately failed to blow up the planet.
Obviously destroying Earth is too much of a victory, but at least give them something more than "We're back again, haha!"[/QUOTE]
Maybe if the blew up just the UK?
Food for thought...
UK in the far future. Whole episode is the Doctor trying to save it when he ultimately realises it's a fixed point and has to escape. Not before saving a few people. And looking solemly back as a future London skyline burns under relentless Dalek fire. [I]In Part 1[/I]. In Part 2 The Doctor forms an uneasy alliance with somebody like the Sontarans and then plays them off against each-other so they wipe each-other out. He saves the earth but the UK is a mutated wasteland.
End with a sort of "This is just the beginning" speech from The Doctor. As he looks at his screen and sees hundreds of planets giving distress calls from Dalek attacks. Then he looks back at the earth and says something slightly uplifting like "Humanity now falls into a decade of fear of the universe. Yet a decade of complete peace. Even good can come from the Daleks". Or stuff to that affect.
[editline]4th September 2011[/editline]
I always like The Master timeline because EVERYTHING got fucked up.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;32112974]That was the whole point of Victory of the Daleks.[/QUOTE]
No they didn't, they ended up scuttling back to a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away
[QUOTE=Dan2593;32113592]UK in the far future. Whole episode is the Doctor trying to save it when he ultimately realises it's a fixed point and has to escape. Not before saving a few people. And looking solemly back as a future London skyline burns under relentless Dalek fire. [I]In Part 1[/I]. In Part 2 The Doctor forms an uneasy alliance with somebody like the Sontarans and then plays them off against each-other so they wipe each-other out. He saves the earth but the UK is a mutated wasteland.
End with a sort of "This is just the beginning" speech from The Doctor. As he looks at his screen and sees hundreds of planets giving distress calls from Dalek attacks. Then he looks back at the earth and says something slightly uplifting like "Humanity now falls into a decade of fear of the universe. Yet a decade of complete peace. Even good can come from the Daleks". Or stuff to that affect.
[editline]4th September 2011[/editline]
I always like The Master timeline because EVERYTHING got fucked up.[/QUOTE]
This this this!
[QUOTE=Dan2593;32113592]UK in the far future. Whole episode is the Doctor trying to save it when he ultimately realises it's a fixed point and has to escape. Not before saving a few people. And looking solemly back as a future London skyline burns under relentless Dalek fire. [I]In Part 1[/I]. In Part 2 The Doctor forms an uneasy alliance with somebody like the Sontarans and then plays them off against each-other so they wipe each-other out. He saves the earth but the UK is a mutated wasteland.
End with a sort of "This is just the beginning" speech from The Doctor. As he looks at his screen and sees hundreds of planets giving distress calls from Dalek attacks. Then he looks back at the earth and says something slightly uplifting like "Humanity now falls into a decade of fear of the universe. Yet a decade of complete peace. Even good can come from the Daleks". Or stuff to that affect.
[editline]4th September 2011[/editline]
I always like The Master timeline because EVERYTHING got fucked up.[/QUOTE]
To be brutally honest, that ending sounds kind of cheesy but otherwise that's awesome.
The only problem is how you would tie that into the already established facts (the whole backstory of "the beast below" comes to mind)
[QUOTE=grlira;32113933]To be brutally honest, that ending sounds kind of cheesy but otherwise that's awesome.
The only problem is how you would tie that into the already established facts (the whole backstory of "the beast below" comes to mind)[/QUOTE]
The Beast Below happens in the 29th century. So you could just set the story a couple of centuries before that.
Going back to LKH for a sec, does anyone think that the line "You've got a schedule for every, Pond" is hint towards something? It's out of context, and even Amy acknowledges that.
[QUOTE=Aries;32115941]Going back to LKH for a sec, does anyone think that the line "You've got a schedule for every, Pond" is hint towards something? It's out of context, and even Amy acknowledges that.[/QUOTE]
The Doctor is sensitive of schedules - things having an allotted time. His date has been "scheduled" and he's determined that time shouldn't be the boss of him.
[QUOTE=Jessbinx;32115995]The Doctor is sensitive of schedules - things having an allotted time. His date has been "scheduled" and he's determined that time shouldn't be the boss of him.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that was one of his "rules"; not to let time be the boss of you, waste as much time as possible, etcetera.
What I would really like is for this series to end and The Doctor point out "Those Daleks. I've not heard from them for a long time. I wonder.."
Then cut to a Supreme giving a speech to thousands of Daleks about the annihilation of the universe and how the planning has taken a while. Then they start chanting 'Exterminate' as it slowly zooms out to reveal a planet full of Daleks, then it keeps going to reveal hundreds of Dalek ships in orbit around the planet with Daleks buzzing about like an angry waps nest.
They should make The Daleks into genuine space Nazis with planets turned into death camps. You could base a story arc around the fall of the universe, then it's not too complicated and still present though each episode. if Moff still wanted his mid-series cliffhanger he could, with the old Daleks appearing with Davros and causing there own shit. Which is a better cliffhanger than "I'M YOUR DAUGHTER BTW"
[editline]5th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=grlira;32113933]To be brutally honest, that ending sounds kind of cheesy but otherwise that's awesome.
The only problem is how you would tie that into the already established facts (the whole backstory of "the beast below" comes to mind)[/QUOTE]
the UK name can live on as sort of determination to remember it.
[editline]5th September 2011[/editline]
I think what made The Master and even Turn Left GOOD was how everything was really shit for the UK. This tiny little island. Fucked over.
Same for Torchwood COE and how our government and Army started acting.
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