• Doctor Who V7
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i like the touch at the end where [sp]the minotaurs final dying words are about the Doctor and not himself[/sp]
[QUOTE=o DefcoN o;32347429]i like the touch at the end where [sp]the minotaurs final dying words are about the Doctor and not himself[/sp][/QUOTE] It was pretty obvious though
I liked Rose but eh, just a thing for stupid companions you have to save constantly I guess. Anywho, I'm now on David Tennant. Cool guy, cool Doctor, and a chill mothafucka.
I don't know what to think right now. In my happy view of the world, this season ends with the Doctor concocting an insane plan to avoid dieing that works perfectly and the 11th Doc, Amy and Rory continue on their adventures for another decade. In the realistic view, no companions in the new series have lasted more than two seasons...which feels wrong with 11 and Amy, because they're not companions in the sense that Rose and 9/10 were, or that Martha and Donna were with 10. They aren't just drawn together by consequence, they're bonded on a level. In a sense, they've known each other since childhood. The 11th Doctor had just regenerated, at the beginning of a "new life", if you will. Amy was a young girl that needed someone. It just feels wrong to divorce them.
Anyone else pissed that [sp]The Doctor just left Amy and Rory?[/sp] I think that's what I hate most about [sp]The Doctor, him just leaving them, even if it's for their own good. I know I'd sure as hell run away with The Doctor even if it meant my death.[/sp]
SPOILERS AHOY!
[QUOTE=Rainhorror;32348218]Anyone else pissed that [sp]The Doctor just left Amy and Rory?[/sp] I think that's what I hate most about [sp]The Doctor, him just leaving them, even if it's for their own good. I know I'd sure as hell run away with The Doctor even if it meant my death.[/sp][/QUOTE] I'm not, was great character work and made a lot of sense. Also fair sure amy is signed on next season.
I know it makes sense, but I just hate[sp]goodbyes[/sp] so much. Like with [sp]Rose + 10th, and Donna + 10th[/sp]
What an episode! That was incredibly good. Wonderfully written, fantastically acted. And, most of all, a very enlightening window into the Doctor and Rory. I loved it. And now, for an over-complicated, stupidly deep analysis. [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32341315]I still think that the Doctor being the one to defaith Amy was kind of counterproductive. "Stop thinking I'll be the one to save the day" proceeds to save the day Would have been a lot better if Rory figured it out then told the Doctor to shup up midsentance, then convinced Amy himself.[/QUOTE] Sorry but I disagree. The power in that scene relies on the fact that the Doctor is taking away Amy's innocence by confessing to know what he has known for a very long time: If he doesn't do something his companions die. The blow to the gut (both Amy's and the viewers') is not that Amy looses faith in the Doctor but that we (and she) learn(s) that the Doctor took her on as a companion (and Rory as well, but more on that later) knowing full well that they would be in danger. "A kid will take a bag of treats". The Doctor's bag of treats is not being lonely. It seems to me (and I have not watched the pre-2005 seasons) that he can't stand to be lonely. And thus, he takes on companions, even though he knows that will put them in danger. Just like the companions keep coming along following the bait that is all of time and space, the Doctor can't leave them because he is afraid of being alone. Except... 11 is selfless. 10 wasn't (as much). He liked to "look smart" (brainy specs) and in the end he defied his own rules (Waters of Mars) due to arrogance. But 11 cares a lot more about the companions, specially Amy, so he saves her from himself (or rather what he entails). The other really important (I'd say more important, really) point in this episode is the Doctor's recognition of Rory as the protector of Amy. He completely trusts Rory to watch over Amy (telling her to look after him is really saying the opposite. "Let him look after you in my stead"). This is obvious when he calls her Amy Williams ("You're with him now. No longer Amy Pond. No longer the girl I look after and who trusts in me). He is both dispelling her faith in him and placing someone else in his place. But the really essential bit, is that it's not the Doctor who decides to do this. It's Rory who tells him to. When the Doctor is talking to Rory about him having no fears, Rory answers "Well, after all the time I spent with you in the TARDIS, what was left to be scared of?". And the Doctor answers, in a tone which sounds almost like he's hurt "You said that in the past tense.". Rory is telling the Doctor that he and Amy will be leaving at the next stop. No more travelling, no more danger, no more shenanigans. Just drop us off and let us live our life. And that is brilliant. Rory is fearless and he orders the Doctor around, because he protects Amy above all. I think it's pretty clear he is a much, much better man than the Doctor. Finally, a quick note regarding the Doctor's room: Due to the Cloister Bell sounding, I too believe he sees the TARDIS dying. That is the one companion he can never leave and that is the one companion which will die, no matter what he does and that is the one companion he truly, deeply loves. Oh and btw, the Angels were for the rat-man. Amy's fear was the Doctor never coming for her as child. [editline]edit[/editline] Sorry, that was unnecessarily long.
Well, I was half right about the monster being a Nimon, or at least related to them. Nice way of "bringing back" and old enemy without actually bringing them back (If that makes sense). Next episode looks good too.
Also, the final scenes of this episode have been my favourite out of the whole new series so far. [sp]The fact that he finally admits his vanity and leaves to save his companions from him is a huge huge thing and it was carried out amazingly [/sp] I feel like the last two episodes could have been a lot better if they added hints about him considering doing what he did
[QUOTE=grlira;32348490]epic post[/QUOTE] I agree wholeheartedly. Also with the Amy Williams thing, I think it also had a lot to do with the Doctor shedding his views of Amy as the little girl who waited. He says "It's time for us to see us as we both really are, Amy Williams." It's clear to me that this whole time, the Doctor was keeping Amy somewhat out of a sense of obligation (when he promised to come back, all the way back in Eleventh Hour) and along the way, she and Rory had simply become family to him. I look back on the series from 1 to 4 and I can't see that close-knitness. Something gets in the way every time. But with Eleven and the Williams (feels odd to call them that), it just feels... right. They're a brilliant unit. I suppose a lot of life and death situations (and death in Rory's case) will do that. But yeah, the Doctor realised what he was doing, realising that Amy's faith in him was what was ironically leading her to death and he realised that he couldn't do that to them any more, taking them around time and space so that he could be less lonely. Confidential said it best, he sacrificed his happiness for their safety.
I don't know if I could still watch the 11th doctor if Amy and Rory weren't the companions any more. It just wouldn't feel right, they all go so well together.
Kill me for saying this if you want; but Amy was my least favorite companion.
[B]DELETE.[/B] *bzzt* Also, last episode was awesome. I thought it fed on people's fear, but then it turned around, bit us on the arse, and showed it fed on our faith, with the Doctor unwittingly "cooking" the victims by telling them to focus on their faith instead of their fear, when really he should've shattered their faith. Also, we still don't know who the Clown was for.
[QUOTE=ironman17;32352609][B]DELETE.[/B] *bzzt* Also, last episode was awesome. I thought it fed on people's fear, but then it turned around, bit us on the arse, and showed it fed on our faith, with the Doctor unwittingly "cooking" the victims by telling them to focus on their faith instead of their fear, when really he should've shattered their faith. Also, we still don't know who the Clown was for.[/QUOTE] Also, whether Rory really has a fear or not. [editline]18th September 2011[/editline] Or did I miss something?
[QUOTE=Cabbalistic;32352806]Also, whether Rory really has a fear or not. [editline]18th September 2011[/editline] Or did I miss something?[/QUOTE] Rory didn't have a fear - that's the reason he saw the fire escape when no one else could, the hotel knew he wasn't scared of anything so it came up with ways to let him out, since he was pretty much useless.
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;32353008]Rory didn't have a fear - that's the reason he saw the fire escape when no one else could, the hotel knew he wasn't scared of anything so it came up with ways to let him out, since he was pretty much useless.[/QUOTE] Aah, that was what the fire escape was for. [editline]18th September 2011[/editline] Nice to know he cares about his wife ;)
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;32353008]Rory didn't have a fear - that's the reason he saw the fire escape when no one else could, the hotel knew he wasn't scared of anything so it came up with ways to let him out, since he was pretty much useless.[/QUOTE] If you've been around for twice as long as the Doctor has in a creepy abortion Universe you'd not be scared of anything either.
[QUOTE=grlira;32348490]What an episode! That was incredibly good. Wonderfully written, fantastically acted. And, most of all, a very enlightening window into the Doctor and Rory. I loved it. And now, for an over-complicated, stupidly deep analysis. Sorry but I disagree. The power in that scene relies on the fact that the Doctor is taking away Amy's innocence by confessing to know what he has known for a very long time: If he doesn't do something his companions die. The blow to the gut (both Amy's and the viewers') is not that Amy looses faith in the Doctor but that we (and she) learn(s) that the Doctor took her on as a companion (and Rory as well, but more on that later) knowing full well that they would be in danger. "A kid will take a bag of treats". The Doctor's bag of treats is not being lonely. It seems to me (and I have not watched the pre-2005 seasons) that he can't stand to be lonely. And thus, he takes on companions, even though he knows that will put them in danger. Just like the companions keep coming along following the bait that is all of time and space, the Doctor can't leave them because he is afraid of being alone. Except... 11 is selfless. 10 wasn't (as much). He liked to "look smart" (brainy specs) and in the end he defied his own rules (Waters of Mars) due to arrogance. But 11 cares a lot more about the companions, specially Amy, so he saves her from himself (or rather what he entails). The other really important (I'd say more important, really) point in this episode is the Doctor's recognition of Rory as the protector of Amy. He completely trusts Rory to watch over Amy (telling her to look after him is really saying the opposite. "Let him look after you in my stead"). This is obvious when he calls her Amy Williams ("You're with him now. No longer Amy Pond. No longer the girl I look after and who trusts in me). He is both dispelling her faith in him and placing someone else in his place. But the really essential bit, is that it's not the Doctor who decides to do this. It's Rory who tells him to. When the Doctor is talking to Rory about him having no fears, Rory answers "Well, after all the time I spent with you in the TARDIS, what was left to be scared of?". And the Doctor answers, in a tone which sounds almost like he's hurt "You said that in the past tense.". Rory is telling the Doctor that he and Amy will be leaving at the next stop. No more travelling, no more danger, no more shenanigans. Just drop us off and let us live our life. And that is brilliant. Rory is fearless and he orders the Doctor around, because he protects Amy above all. I think it's pretty clear he is a much, much better man than the Doctor. Finally, a quick note regarding the Doctor's room: Due to the Cloister Bell sounding, I too believe he sees the TARDIS dying. That is the one companion he can never leave and that is the one companion which will die, no matter what he does and that is the one companion he truly, deeply loves. Oh and btw, the Angels were for the rat-man. Amy's fear was the Doctor never coming for her as child. [editline]edit[/editline] Sorry, that was unnecessarily long.[/QUOTE] Very well written post, you hit the nail on the head.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32353282]If you've been around for twice as long as the Doctor has in a creepy abortion Universe you'd not be scared of anything either.[/QUOTE] [quote]creepy abortion Universe[/quote] Oh god what
Turns out we have secret American cities hidden inside our mountains.
It wasn't that Rory wasn't scared of anything. It was that he didn't have a faith to comfort him when he was scared. Amy's was the doctor, the other woman had her religion, Joe's was luck (I thought that was pretty stupid), I forget what the David Walliams and the stammer kid's faiths were but nevermind. I don't think the Doctor had one either.
I loved it when rory shot down mr.bloggers idea of 2012.
i know i'll get spammed for this but i am so glad amy is gone, so damn glad
[QUOTE=vladnag;32354260]i know i'll get spammed for this but i am so glad amy is gone, so damn glad[/QUOTE] [sp]It's only for most part of the next episode though, she'll be back after that. :v:[/sp]
[QUOTE=Marlamin;32354276][sp]It's only for most part of the next episode though, she'll be back after that. :v:[/sp][/QUOTE] damn it all
[QUOTE=jaykray;32354193]It wasn't that Rory wasn't scared of anything. It was that he didn't have a faith to comfort him when he was scared. Amy's was the doctor, the other woman had her religion, Joe's was luck (I thought that was pretty stupid), I forget what the [B]David Walliams and the stammer kid's faiths were[/B] but nevermind. I don't think the Doctor had one either.[/QUOTE] Faith in getting invaded/enslaved, and faith in conspiracy theories.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;32354424]Faith in getting invaded/enslaved, and faith in conspiracy theories.[/QUOTE] Oh so when he was saying "this is probably just a CIA thing" that was him having faith. I still don't really understand the David Walliams one though. When they went into his room he just hid in the cupboard. Did it turn out that the Doctor doesn't have a faith?
[QUOTE=jaykray;32354637]Oh so when he was saying "this is probably just a CIA thing" that was him having faith. I still don't really understand the David Walliams one though. When they went into his room he just hid in the cupboard. Did it turn out that the Doctor doesn't have a faith?[/QUOTE] No, he believes in something. We didn't find out.
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