[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;32354852]No, he believes in something. We didn't find out.[/QUOTE]
When was this proven?
[QUOTE=jaykray;32354861]When was this proven?[/QUOTE]
The fact that he had a room.
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Room Number 11 to be precise.
[QUOTE=Cabbalistic;32354876]The fact that he had a room.[/QUOTE]
Oops, silly me. I forgot why Rory saw the exit.
[QUOTE=lintz;32351646]I agree wholeheartedly. Also with the Amy Williams thing, I think it also had a lot to do with the Doctor shedding his views of Amy as the little girl who waited. He says "It's time for us to see us as we both really are, Amy Williams."
It's clear to me that this whole time, the Doctor was keeping Amy somewhat out of a sense of obligation (when he promised to come back, all the way back in Eleventh Hour) and along the way, she and Rory had simply become family to him. I look back on the series from 1 to 4 and I can't see that close-knitness. Something gets in the way every time. But with Eleven and the Williams (feels odd to call them that), it just feels... right. They're a brilliant unit. I suppose a lot of life and death situations (and death in Rory's case) will do that.
But yeah, the Doctor realised what he was doing, realising that Amy's faith in him was what was ironically leading her to death and he realised that he couldn't do that to them any more, taking them around time and space so that he could be less lonely. Confidential said it best, he sacrificed his happiness for their safety.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely! This is the turning point in what regards the way Amy views the Doctor, but also in the way the Doctor views Amy. Again, no longer his responsibility, which means she's now safe, ironically.
Also, there is a point I forgot to make last night. This whole episode can be (more or less) seen as a metaphor for the Doctor's relationship with his companions. There is something dangerous, they have faith in him and in the end, either they die or he has to abandon them. That's a bit of a generalization, yes, but since the 10th Doctor started, it has been like that almost every series. That ties into the whole accepting death stuff, too. Maybe he's tired of the "Regeneration -> Childish excitement -> First disappointments -> First deaths -> Maturity -> Companions in serious risk and being hurt -> Sadness -> Regeneration cycle"
Oh and thanks for the compliments on the last post. I didn't expect to get rated winner :)
When the doctor first regenerated what was the reaction?
[QUOTE=jaykray;32354995]When the doctor first regenerated what was the reaction?[/QUOTE]
As in the regeneration to from 1 to 2? Can't tell, never watched it.
But 10 to 11 went from "Boooh oooh my life is miserable" to "I'm crashing! AWESOME! Excitement!"
David Walliam's faith is that acting fearfully, surrendering and putting others in the fireline will keep him alive in the end, which is characteristic of his race, which grew with the ideology that freedom isn't worth dying over so they're the most oppressed races in the universe, but also one of the longest lasting. That's why the Doctor said his fear is a sly, cunning fear, not true fear.
Just to clear that up.
[QUOTE=grlira;32355013]As in the regeneration to from 1 to 2? Can't tell, never watched it.
But 10 to 11 went from "Boooh oooh my life is miserable" to "I'm crashing! AWESOME! Excitement!"[/QUOTE]
Yeah I meant the first regeneration but I meant as in the public reaction to a new doctor.
[QUOTE=killerteacup;32355021]David Walliam's faith is that acting fearfully, surrendering and putting others in the fireline will keep him alive in the end, which is characteristic of his race, which grew with the ideology that freedom isn't worth dying over so they're the most oppressed races in the universe, but also one of the longest lasting. That's why the Doctor said his fear is a sly, cunning fear, not true fear.
Just to clear that up.[/QUOTE]
No, The Doctor said that his faith is that a race would come along and conquer his. The cowardice speech was just the Doctor being a badass.
[QUOTE=lintz;32341560]I disagree that the Doctor's worst fear is his own death. I think this incarnation of the Doctor is really selfless, but so lonely with no companions. Except for his only constant companion.
Who else?
The cloister bell seems to confirm it.
He's witnessing the TARDIS' death.[/QUOTE]
This makes a lot of sense. After all, he keeps travelling so that he can try and escape from all the bad things he has done over his life. If he ever stopped, the guilt would destroy him.
[QUOTE=Stockers678;32355747]This makes a lot of sense. After all, he keeps travelling so that he can try and escape from all the bad things he has done over his life. If he ever stopped, the guilt would destroy him.
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[B]Also, just found out that one of my friends from primary school is pregnant and have no idea how the fuck to react. It's more awkward than anything.[/B][/QUOTE]
Why do you care
[QUOTE=grlira;32354985]This whole episode can be (more or less) seen as a metaphor for the Doctor's relationship with his companions. There is something dangerous, they have faith in him and in the end, either they die or he has to abandon them. That's a bit of a generalization, yes, but since the 10th Doctor started, it has been like that almost every series. That ties into the whole accepting death stuff, too. Maybe he's tired of the "Regeneration -> Childish excitement -> First disappointments -> First deaths -> Maturity -> Companions in serious risk and being hurt -> Sadness -> Regeneration cycle"[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say "can be seen as"
I'd say "is meant to be seen as".
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;32355917]Why do you care[/QUOTE]
His friend is a boy
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;32355917]Why do you care[/QUOTE]
a)She's only a few months older than you.
b)She will have no real future left now, beoming a mum at 16. A waste really.
This is not a chat thread please try to stay more or less on topic. Thanks. Also, it's not necessary to spoiler tag information from an episode that's already aired or speculation or information that has been published on other websites or in press releases.
Not quite old enough to know how people felt about the transition from 1 to 2 but as it was a children's show at the time I imagine children thought it was fun and adults thought it was a clever device.
And then it turns out the cupboard has a dolls house in it
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;32357553]And then it turns out the cupboard has a dolls house in it[/QUOTE]
The cupboard was actually a cuckoo alien, appearing whenever people needed to hang their clothes.
Now you mention it, there really are a LOT of scary cupboards since Moffat took over.
Can someone explain the special straw the Doctor has when he reappears alive as his younger self in The Impossible Astronaut, and which he says he "just popped out to get"? I don't understand why he makes a point of mentioning it. Is it just a red herring?
[QUOTE=verynicelady;32357727]Now you mention it, there really are a LOT of scary cupboards since Moffat took over.
Can someone explain the special straw the Doctor has when he reappears alive as his younger self in The Impossible Astronaut, and which he says he "just popped out to get"? I don't understand why he makes a point of mentioning it. Is it just a red herring?[/QUOTE]
I think it was just meant to make the reappearance of the Doctor (who the main characters literally just saw die) a bit more funny and Doctor-y. They've just seen him die, and after such a crushing blow to their lives, they go back to a bar and see the Doctor again. With his special straw that adds more fizz. He hasn't got a clue what's just happened, he's acting far more innocent than the characters would think he has any right to act. But he just doesn't really know what's going on.
Basically just a bit of comedic relief, I think.
It was just pacing for the episode.
That's disappointing, I was hoping it was a hint to some so far unrevealed stuff the Doctor had been up to whilst away on his own.
I just remembered that in the trailer for the second half of the series there was a shot of river song wearing the eyepatch that madame karavan (sp) does. As it hasn't happened yet and probably won't happen in the next episode it seems that it will happen in the finale. Should be interesting.
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also couldn't the doctor's fear have been rose?
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Conversation me and Dain had.
A little thing I picked up on..
In Night Terrors the Doctor couldn't do the Rubik's Cube but in this last episode we find the Doctor completing one... I don't know if it means anything but it could be a clue towards the switched Doctor theory.
OVER ANALYZING WOO
[QUOTE=SeventeenDicks;32359937]A little thing I picked up on..
In Night Terrors the Doctor couldn't do the Rubik's Cube but in this last episode we find the Doctor completing one... I don't know if it means anything but it could be a clue towards the switched Doctor theory.
OVER ANALYZING WOO[/QUOTE]
THANK YOU! I knew the Rubik's in this episode had to mean something but couldn't figure out what.
[QUOTE=grlira;32360029]THANK YOU! I knew the Rubik's in this episode had to mean something but couldn't figure out what.[/QUOTE]
Wait, I don't remember the rubik's cube :( I really should learn to watch episodes properly.
[QUOTE=grlira;32360029]THANK YOU! I knew the Rubik's in this episode had to mean something but couldn't figure out what.[/QUOTE]
Also didn't the Doctor eat an apple in this episode? I'm pretty sure he did... I thought he didn't like Apples?
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