• Doctor Who V7
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add to that the fact that many worlds is only an interpretation of quantum mechanics it's nowhere near definite
I have no idea what is going on
[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;32746501]It wasn't Tom Jones(at least the one I'm thinking of), but it was some kind of rock band. It was posted earlier in the thread.[/QUOTE] [media][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsFTcbV02fs[/URL][/media] It was Tom Jones, it's not like there are two famous Tom Jones from that era. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Jones_(singer)[/URL]
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32747226]that's a misconception since free will doesn't exist [editline]12th October 2011[/editline] it's not the decision that spawns the new universe, it's the collapsing of a wavefunction that does[/QUOTE] If there are infinite universes, then there will be one for every little decision you make, free will doesn't come into it. It's unlikely to 'split' but more likely to just be chance (and the chance is certain because your multiplying by infinity). [editline]12th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32747270]add to that the fact that many worlds is only an interpretation of quantum mechanics it's nowhere near definite[/QUOTE] It's necessary for string theory though.
[QUOTE=Thoughtless;32748364]If there are infinite universes, then there will be one for every little decision you make, free will doesn't come into it. It's unlikely to 'split' but more likely to just be chance (and the chance is certain because your multiplying by infinity).[/quote] i don't think you understand how physics works "choice" as we think of it is determined from physical processes. we are not outside of the laws of physics, we are governed by them. it's silly to assume our choices are distinct from everything else. [quote]It's necessary for string theory though.[/QUOTE] no it's not
wtf is this nerde shit
here's my two cents on 'free will' free will exists. of course, it depends on your definition of free will, but any definition apart from "if you have the choice to turn left or right and you can consciously decide to do either" is irrelevant to our existence and so should not be argued about.
[QUOTE=Alcapwne;32748678]here's my two cents on 'free will' free will exists. of course, it depends on your definition of free will, but any definition apart from "if you have the choice to turn left or right and you can consciously decide to do either" is irrelevant to our existence and so should not be argued about.[/QUOTE] that's circular
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32748917]that's circular[/QUOTE] Only if you turn left. There isn't a roundabout if you go right.
[QUOTE=Patroclus Rex;32748998]Only if you turn left. There isn't a roundabout if you go right.[/QUOTE] [img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/1312915924599.jpg[/img]
Pfft, don't be talking any of that fancy-schmancy science-y stuff 'round here. Free will exists, I know it does. No one else made me write "iTunes can go suck a dick made of barbed wire and aids" on Twitter. I did it of my own free will out of rage that the iOS5 update is taking forever, and iTunes decided to restart the download about 3 times. But in all seriousness, yeah, I get what you mean, I guess. And I agree, up to a point. Free will doesn't exist - everything we do is influenced by everything that happens around us, meaning that we would only ever do a certain thing if given the choice between two or more things, or whatever. Or something like that. But we still choose to do these things, even though the illusion of there being any other option is just that - an illusion - in our minds, we still choose to do certain things. Or something Not really thinking straight, still bristling with rage over that iOS5 thing...
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;32749092]iTunes can go suck a dick made of barbed wire and aids[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86RbO3kbHWM[/media]
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32748542]i don't think you understand how physics works "choice" as we think of it is determined from physical processes. we are not outside of the laws of physics, we are governed by them. it's silly to assume our choices are distinct from everything else. no it's not[/QUOTE] This is just my mostly uneducated guess about the whole thing, but I perceive free will as the infinite amount of possible ways I could react to the world. Even though what I decide to do is triggered by logical cause and effect, because of the unpredictability of the movement of atomic particles I technically could react in an illogical, unethical, inexplicable way just because I make the conscious "decision" to do so.
Gah, I haven't been watching enough.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32748542]i don't think you understand how physics works "choice" as we think of it is determined from physical processes. we are not outside of the laws of physics, we are governed by them. it's silly to assume our choices are distinct from everything else. no it's not[/QUOTE] let me rephrase that. If there are infinite universes, and infinite universes being created at any one time (if time exists in the multiverse, but we're already using so many unproven assumptions), then there will be infinate for every little decision you make (and for anything else).
[QUOTE=Thoughtless;32761556]let me rephrase that. If there are infinite universes, and infinite universes being created at any one time (if time exists in the multiverse, but we're already using so many unproven assumptions), then there will be infinate for every little decision you make (and for anything else).[/QUOTE] Yes, but we don't make decisions.
TOO MUCH TIMEY-WIMEY STUFF!
[QUOTE=Jookia;32762703]Yes, but we don't make decisions.[/QUOTE] We do, our brains calculate the best decision based on genetics, past experience and everything else we encounter. On a different note, I think Doctor who Christmas special will be set in my home town, They've been filming around these parts and Christmas specials normally take place on earth, so they may film on location.
[QUOTE=Thoughtless;32764199]We do, our brains calculate the best decision based on genetics, past experience and everything else we encounter.[/QUOTE] Which would imply determinism, meaning there's no freedom of choice at all.
GUISE! I'm in a Philosophy class right now and we just finished talking about whether or not fictional characters exist! Basically, they do exist, because if they didn't there would be no way for us to refer or quantify about them.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32764959]Which would imply determinism, meaning there's no freedom of choice at all.[/QUOTE] I didn't say there was free will, why am I suddenly being accused of saying there was. Anyway, Doctor Who. [editline]13th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=macerator;32766262]GUISE! I'm in a Philosophy class right now and we just finished talking about whether or not fictional characters exist! Basically, they do exist, because if they didn't there would be no way for us to refer or quantify about them.[/QUOTE] Whoever rated this dumb should read 1984, or research what the answer was when the protagonist asked if big brother exists.
[QUOTE=macerator;32766262]GUISE! I'm in a Philosophy class right now and we just finished talking about whether or not fictional characters exist! Basically, they do exist, because if they didn't there would be no way for us to refer or quantify about them.[/QUOTE] Terrible argument. It completely fails to take into account the concept of "imagination".
Next episode has Daleks, The Face of Boe, and serveral different years. Well for me, it does. Looks interesting. Did I mention it was Season 3 Episode 2 of 2005-2010.
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;32768072]Terrible argument. It completely fails to take into account the concept of "imagination".[/QUOTE] Its not a bad argument its just a huge massive technicality conceptually they exist, yes, but that doesn't mean every fanboy should wet themselves over the fact that the Doctor is out there when he obviously isnt
[QUOTE=Zarjk;32771331]Next episode has Daleks, The Face of Boe, and serveral different years. Well for me, it does. Looks interesting. Did I mention it was Season 3 Episode 2 of 2005-2010.[/QUOTE] The Next Time from episode 1s shows what the rest of the season has I think, not just one episode.
[img]http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/318322_2552980828416_1370784183_32868388_1364376868_n.jpg[/img] Got this today while in Birmingham. Love it.
[QUOTE=macerator;32766262]GUISE! I'm in a Philosophy class right now and we just finished talking about whether or not fictional characters exist! Basically, they do exist, because if they didn't there would be no way for us to refer or quantify about them.[/QUOTE] in my opinion you are wrong my opinion exists therefore you are wrong (see the fallacy?) basically you need to get your head around the difference between [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map%E2%80%93territory_relation]the map and the territory[/url]. if your philosophy teacher didn't even mention that he should be sacked for incompetence [editline]14th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Thoughtless;32767067]Whoever rated this dumb should read 1984, or research what the answer was when the protagonist asked if big brother exists.[/QUOTE] you missed the point of that scene entirely. it was meant to show how enforced cognitive dissonance can absolve the brain of any need to think logically. orwell even said it himself: [quote=George Orwell]Political language. . . is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.[/quote]
Perhaps we should move our free will debate - and create a new thread here [url]http://www.facepunch.com/forums/403[/url]
Personally if I were ever to get a DW poster I'd definitely get Amy Pond
[video=youtube;Xj446LPEy7E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj446LPEy7E&feature=feedu[/video] now i can't play minecraft
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