[QUOTE=Bredirish123;47267020]Why would you buy a new phone if your phone's battery dies? Please read better next time and use your context clues.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry for using a phone as a phone
Did you not know that talking on the phone uses a lot more battery?
I'm sorry for not owning a phablet
[QUOTE=Kylel999;47264296]That still doesn't mean shit when you lose power for 24+ hours. I was without power for a week during Sandy, and another few days after Sandy because of the nor'easter right after
I'd rather not sacrifice my safety or have to worry if my doors are going to STAY locked when there is literally nothing wrong with conventional doors :v:
[editline]5th March 2015[/editline]
There is no upside over this that I can think of over my code-activated lock on my front door. I haven't used a key in years. You put in the code and the bolt-lock unlocks. "But kylel999! anybody can see your code!" Easy fix: don't show the world your code. You stand infront of the thing anyway when you punch it in. If the batteries in the lock die, it [I]can[/I] take a key which I have on my ring with my car keys but it [I]still[/I] doesn't matter for me because when I get out of the car to go inside I have my keys in my hand anyway[/QUOTE]
Well, it is an issue and thanks for drawing attention. As I told we considering to place backup batteries. How long this will make peace of mind, Im not sure, we need to experiment. I think pretty long as EML is not high energy consumer. I guess more then 24 hours, but I can not say for sure yet.
[editline]6th March 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;47266166]I must say Dainis I absolutely love the concept. I'm very much into home automation; I actually had priced similar products because I at some point would love to simply use my phone to unlock doors to the house. It can be so annoying fumbling for keys in the dead of night. Especially when it's cold or rainy out, it just makes the whole process worse.
So I can definitely see this type of tech coming in handy. I recall someone had mentioned that it's useless if your phone is dead. True, but your keys are useless if you've lost them. The whole dead phone concern is pretty silly. Especially considering modern cell phone tech has allowed phones to hold charges for much longer. Hell, my Note 4 with bluetooth left on all day still is about at 70% by the time I come home at the end of the day.[/QUOTE]
Thank you!
[editline]6th March 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Scratch.;47266398]So the solution for phones dieing is to buy a new phone?
fuck off[/QUOTE]
1. Case if you have charged off batteries.
Some of your existing credentials are still in use and you can have them in pocket just on case. If we start with gates and garage, we place Vorty controller as an option, in parallel, so your other knobs still working. If you place EM lock as standalone, well, to be honest it is an issue, because your existing mechanical key does not helps much from outside because EM contains force. If you want to get perfect piece of mind in that case, you also can place in parallel some RFID reader to be reached from outside, which is not expensive nowadays and keep RFID knob or card in your pocket for this specific case. From my personal experince, Im testing those systems at my house from beta already about three years and never had this problem as my habits and my family habits is to charge a phone at night.
2. If the problem is that your phone is stolen, broken etc, this is not a problem. There two type of access rights. Master key and user key. Master is a first phone registered as a key and he can assigne administrative rights also to another person. Like you have a family two parents, two kids, so you can make two masters and two users. Master can revoke from device list users and assign new rights. Also then you buy new phone. Till that time your other credential still in use, take a look on point 1.
[editline]6th March 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Scratch.;47267160]I'm sorry for using a phone as a phone
Did you not know that talking on the phone uses a lot more battery?
I'm sorry for not owning a phablet[/QUOTE]
Just to add, Vorty key as app uses almost no power, because we use very short burst signal to identify phone. It is almost impossible to say exact consuming, it is very tiny. Therefore Vorty app it is not a phone battery drainer.
[editline]6th March 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=MedicWine;47264622]I think he meant that there's a windows phone in the photo, but you guys dont have a windows phone app.[/QUOTE]
Not yet. Our main message is that this is not just for Iphones as on a case for most of smart lock systems. I have explained technical reasons. We plan make also for exNokia, technology allows to do that, but is not exactly scheduled yet when will be release. It is not a priority from marketing point. Yes, on this meaning, he is right, there some bit misleading, my apologize.
[QUOTE=Scratch.;47267160]I'm sorry for using a phone as a phone
Did you not know that talking on the phone uses a lot more battery?
I'm sorry for not owning a phablet[/QUOTE]
but portable battery solutions are so affordable nowadays :D
[QUOTE=Scratch.;47267160]I'm sorry for using a phone as a phone
Did you not know that talking on the phone uses a lot more battery?
I'm sorry for not owning a phablet[/QUOTE]
Hmm, we'll if you can't afford a decent smart phone then this is something outside of your budget. I think this is geared more towards people who can afford such things, at least until the tech becomes standard.
Consider this, I don't browse ads looking for a G6 Plane because that's unrealistically out of my budget. However; an executive making 250k+ a year might have a different view.
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;47269818]Hmm, we'll if you can't afford a decent smart phone then this is something outside of your budget. I think this is geared more towards people who can afford such things, at least until the tech becomes standard.
Consider this, I don't browse ads looking for a G6 Plane because that's unrealistically out of my budget. However; an executive making 250k+ a year might have a different view.[/QUOTE]
If you want everyone in your family walking around with an 800 dollar device to ensure a living battery 24/7 that's fine by me, but don't come crying to us if it gets stolen
Question for Dennis though, is pairing with Wearables something you have considered? (Android Wear, Pebble)
[QUOTE=Scratch.;47275096]If you want everyone in your family walking around with an 800 dollar device to ensure a living battery 24/7 that's fine by me, but don't come crying to us if it gets stolen
Question for Dennis though, is pairing with Wearables something you have considered? (Android Wear, Pebble)[/QUOTE]
Funny enough, that's generally the case here in the United States. I see seven year olds cruising around with iPhones. Even then though, if your phone dies or is lost/stolen then other member's with registered phones can unlock doors for you.
I really don't know what is hard to grasp about that. I am strictly speaking from a middle class single American perspective. I also have multiple family members within 10 miles. Instead of making spare house keys for each of them, with the Vorty I could simply authorize their phones during a family get together. Now if something ever happens to my phone I still can get in and secure my house. Hell, I have my Galaxy Note 2 as s backup phone sitting in a desk just in the event I ever need it. It may be differing cultures or backgrounds, but I know if I invested in the Vorty it would be more of a positive investment than a negative one. The technology isn't as flawed as much as you would like to think.
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;47275160]
I really don't know what is hard to grasp about that. I am strictly speaking from a middle class single American perspective.[/QUOTE]
I guess that's the problem
[QUOTE=Crimor;47265558]Wouldn't it be much better to have a dropping deadbolt that gets pulled away with magnetic force? That way if the system lost power the door would still be locked.[/QUOTE]
Yes, we also considering this solution, as it looks that from marketing point of view for many people electromagnetic approach seems too much novelty and weird. Although pure EM lock as a matter of fact from technical point of view is more reliable, has much more lifetime due there is no mechanical anything which can be broken. Even if a burglar will break em lock, most probably he will break a door, not lock itself. There just electromagnet and steel plate. But, yes, you are right, most probably, we have to bring two options to choose.
[editline]8th March 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Scratch.;47275096]If you want everyone in your family walking around with an 800 dollar device to ensure a living battery 24/7 that's fine by me, but don't come crying to us if it gets stolen
Question for Dennis though, is pairing with Wearables something you have considered? (Android Wear, Pebble)[/QUOTE]
Well, of course generally it is possible, you understand basics of Bluetooth very well. But this is not just about pairing, but also administrating of keys. It would be very easy to make a system, where you simply pair two BT devices. But then everybody can go to your lock and can do this. I personally wouldn’t buy such lock. Besides what we are doing now, we do expend a system which will about issue, revoke credentials trough internet cloud and there will be also implemented more security then standard pairing can do and this is technology where we need something more then just a Bluetooth signal. So, we will stick to phones.
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