Facepunch Avatar Rules Are Too Lenient (and it's being dealt with- page 4) - General

[QUOTE=Lazore;45357760]Before more people flip their shit, i say we try to actually find something that is over the line. Pointing just to one avatar, saying please stop this, is weird.[/QUOTE] The thing is we really don't want to post certain people's borderline NSFW or even NSFW avatars because that would be a negative thing for them. Safest and best thing to do is to not point at any user and blame them but for reason or another some people decided to bring Aw3s0m3n3s avatar up even though I thought it was made quite clear we don't want to start a witch hunt.

Great to see that something is going to be done.

[QUOTE=dai;45357795]The mods have been discussing this and related issues for the past two days and we're sorting out a number of issues that we've been lax on. You guys have PROBABLY noticed the 'what turns you on thread' was wiped the other day. > anyone who remakes that one or similar NSFW threads that have been closed will be [B]permabanned[/B]. You should understand when a thread is closed it's for a reason, there's no autolocks. > the 'hot girls' thread and anything similar is currently being discussed. They're clearly marked NSFW and are full of legal content, [I]but[/I] there's other implications we may have to consider in it being accessible on our website and we may need to tighten policy. > if it becomes clear you're a pedo posting loli or whatever you're going to be [B]removed and potentially reported[/B] regardless of the "victimless crime" arguments. FP should not a safe haven for this kind of shit. I've already warned the catgirls thread to just flat out avoid anything that could be misconstrued as such, '1000 year old witch' excuses or not. > NSFW avatars are going to be dealt with much more strictly once we've got a consensus on the line to cross (and maybe some old forum functions) set up. > we don't care how upset you are that a user has anime in it. If it's NSFW, report the user. If it only hurts your fragile sensibilities go cry a river somewhere else instead of derailing threads to bitch about it This is the warning to clean up before [i]we[/i] do.[/QUOTE] Thank you [I]so[/I] much, guys. Also, what do you mean by "old forum functions"?

[QUOTE=dai;45357795]The mods have been discussing this and related issues for the past two days and we're sorting out a number of issues that we've been lax on. You guys have PROBABLY noticed the 'what turns you on thread' was wiped the other day. > anyone who remakes that one or similar NSFW threads that have been closed will be [B]permabanned[/B]. You should understand when a thread is closed it's for a reason, there's no autolocks. > the 'hot girls' thread and anything similar is currently being discussed. They're clearly marked NSFW and are full of legal content, [I]but[/I] there's other implications we may have to consider in it being accessible on our website and we may need to tighten policy. > if it becomes clear you're a pedo posting loli or whatever you're going to be [B]removed and potentially reported[/B] regardless of the "victimless crime" arguments. FP should not a safe haven for this kind of shit. I've already warned the catgirls thread to just flat out avoid anything that could be misconstrued as such, '1000 year old witch' excuses or not. > NSFW avatars are going to be dealt with much more strictly once we've got a consensus on the line to cross (and maybe some old forum functions) set up. > we don't care how upset you are that an avatar has anime or a furry getting blown up like a balloon in it. If it's NSFW, report the user. If it only hurts your fragile sensibilities go cry a river somewhere else instead of derailing threads to bitch about it This is the warning to clean up before [i]we[/i] do.[/QUOTE] Thankyou for being well versed about the matter, it's evident others in the thread are taking advantage of the situation to attack things they personally don't agree with.

[QUOTE=Limed00d;45357843]Thank you [I]so[/I] much, guys. Also, what do you mean by "old forum functions"?[/QUOTE] we used to have the ability to remove/change a user's avatar, and would actively delete infringing ones when we banned someone so they'd be forced to replace it.

[QUOTE=Limed00d;45357843]Thank you [I]so[/I] much, guys. Also, what do you mean by "old forum functions"?[/QUOTE] Smartness

[QUOTE=Holt!;45357858]Smartness[/QUOTE] Boy I sure would snigger if that return- *permabanned*

[QUOTE=ashxu;45357751]The fact that ROFLBURGER is fine with softcore porn but not anything else makes it seem like he just wants to make an anime/furry lynch mob thread for attention.[/QUOTE] An anime/furry lynch what Where have I even said I was fine with softcore porn? I think you're misinterpreting what I said. [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;45355511]Me and quite a few other people are annoyed at some of the shit we see for avatars like I'm not talking about gifs of women shaking their tits in a sportsbra[/QUOTE] I was basically saying that the issue is pretty bad. If I wanted to do a furry/anime lynch I would just bitch at furry/anime avatars in general and the majoirty of furry/anime avatars are suitable for work.

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;45355594]Well there used to be some WIP plugin where one dude maintained a list of people with shit avatars and a plugin hid them when the page loaded. I was on that list.[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://photos-6.dropbox.com/t/0/AABqcHJ1_N52yGEWlBNBsM9jizc-2cNwaFJO6CuYwOFoAw/12/9055409/png/1024x768/3/1405098000/0/2/furryflagger.png/DsvR0IoATH0pxonzLsNT9ELQKI0_BidOo7Br31nr7_E[/IMG] This plug in?

[QUOTE=dai;45357795] You guys have PROBABLY noticed the 'what turns you on thread' was wiped the other day. > anyone who remakes that one or similar NSFW threads that have been closed will be [B]permabanned[/B]. You should understand when a thread is closed it's for a reason, there's no autolocks.[/QUOTE] Thank god. Good thing they got closed before we got a repeat of what happened with the weirdest boner thread.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;45357875]Boy I sure would snigger if that return- *permabanned*[/QUOTE] Smartness but you'd have to revise the list of ban words

[QUOTE=Blooper Reel;45358015]Thank god. Good thing they got closed before we got a repeat of what happened with the weirdest boner thread.[/QUOTE] what happened with that thread?

AFAIK people started posting loli in it

or did you mean weirdest boner thread?

[QUOTE=Toyhobo;45358049]or did you mean weirdest boner thread?[/QUOTE] Happened in both, iirc

[QUOTE=dai;45357795] > the 'hot girls' thread and anything similar is currently being discussed. They're clearly marked NSFW and are full of legal content, [I]but[/I] there's other implications we may have to consider in it being accessible on our website and we may need to tighten policy. [current mod vote is[B] in favor [/B]of removal- we're pretty sure you can find porn on at least one other website][/QUOTE] All of the other stuff is grand, I don't really get this though. It's alright but we're thinking of getting rid of it anyway? As far as I know FP has nothing whatsoever to fear along the lines of copyright trouble, the most dire strait I can think of is a C&D type correspondence being sent for a particular image or something. Even that is highly highly unlikely Yes you can find pictures of hot girls on other websites, just like any other kind of content (why is this different? Is it to do with user ages?) I don't personally see any reason there shouldn't be a hot girls thread or similar, even if I don't browse them myself. It's easy to see why people would use it - [I]curated[/I] content, relative quality assurance, trustworthy environment etc.

I thought weirdest boner was taken down after some unflattering pics of an underaged FP member started getting passed around. Or maybe that was another incident.

Weirdest boner thread was closed because I believe users were taking nudes of themselves and posting it there. And since some of the users were underage posting themselves nude, it counts as CP.

[QUOTE=Shenesis;45358047]Will we know about what's acceptable and not, or will offenders (maybe me in that case?) be banned as a warning?[/QUOTE] I figure the gist of it is: If you think it has the possibility of getting you banned, it probably will.

[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;45358074]I thought weirdest boner was taken down after some unflattering pics of an underaged FP member started getting passed around. Or maybe that was another incident.[/QUOTE] Chickens.

[QUOTE=MakoSkyDub;45358071]All of the other stuff is grand, I don't really get this though. It's alright but we're thinking of getting rid of it anyway? As far as I know FP has nothing whatsoever to fear along the lines of copyright trouble, the most dire strait I can think of is a C&D type correspondence being sent for a particular image or something. Even that is highly highly unlikely Yes you can find pictures of hot girls on other websites, just like any other kind of content (why is this different? Is it to do with user ages?) I don't personally see any reason there shouldn't be a hot girls thread or similar, even if I don't browse them myself. It's easy to see why people would use it - [I]curated[/I] content, relative quality assurance, trustworthy environment etc.[/QUOTE] if you want hot girls and catgirls why not go to a site about hot girls? (not you, general statement I mean)

Sooo? cleaning up FP to be gmod and rust only, or?

[QUOTE=Toyhobo;45358105]Sooo? cleaning up FP to be gmod and rust only, or?[/QUOTE] You can't have a forum for just these, fp is popular for its other communities too, bf, arma, Web development and other stuff

[QUOTE=MakoSkyDub;45358071]All of the other stuff is grand, I don't really get this though. It's alright but we're thinking of getting rid of it anyway? As far as I know FP has nothing whatsoever to fear along the lines of copyright trouble, the most dire strait I can think of is a C&D type correspondence being sent for a particular image or something. Even that is highly highly unlikely Yes you can find pictures of hot girls on other websites, just like any other kind of content (why is this different? Is it to do with user ages?) I don't personally see any reason there shouldn't be a hot girls thread or similar, even if I don't browse them myself. It's easy to see why people would use it - [I]curated[/I] content, relative quality assurance, trustworthy environment etc.[/QUOTE] 1: 18+ content without any 'I agree to terms and am 18+" is something to legitimately fear as a website 2: you can find porn elsewhere, why is a single FP thread the place to go 3: if we allow that thread, you get classic slippery slope issues with people complaining that that thread is allowed but others aren't. This is a gaming forum. While one or two threads hovering around the pile of junk that is fast threads is a small point of stigma, it's a very, very heavy piece of contention. Personally I don't mind it existing, but we have to consider our boundaries as a community. The mods don't care about porn as a thing, but even the hot girls thread has far surpassed the old rules we had in place to allow it to stay open a long while back. We aren't going to cater to the users who will argue that it should stay because it's always been here. We're trying to recooperate some slack and reconsider things that haven't worked out as smoothly as we expected. if you want an endless wall of free porn, just start a tumblr

[QUOTE=J!NX;45358092]if you want hot girls and catgirls why not go to a site about hot girls? (not you, general statement I mean)[/QUOTE] I gave some possible reasons at the end of my post there And again, it's just another kind of content. If you want to read the news why not go to the guardian website or something instead of FP's news section? If you're into art why go to CC when you could go to a purely art-based site? If you want to talk about music why not blah blah blah and so on people like sharing content with the community they're part of, it's the nature of a forum

[QUOTE=Shenesis;45358047]Will we know about what's acceptable and not, or will offenders (maybe me in that case?) be banned as a warning?[/QUOTE] I'm going to say at least for the first couple weeks/months, mods will PM people to say "that's crossing some lines and you should probably change it". If we get the old mod function back, we can just delete your avatar so you're forced to set up a new one [QUOTE=MakoSkyDub;45358190]I gave some possible reasons at the end of my post there And again, it's just another kind of content. If you want to read the news why not go to the guardian website or something instead of FP's news section? If you're into art why go to CC when you could go to a purely art-based site? If you want to talk about music why not blah blah blah and so on people like sharing content with the community they're part of, it's the nature of a forum[/QUOTE] you don't go to the guardian for porn. This website is chock full of younger kids and despite catering to pretty much everything nowadays, a porn dump thread in the middle of a normal section is a bad idea.

[QUOTE=dai;45358198] If we get the old mod function back, we can just delete your avatar so you're forced to set up a new one[/QUOTE] That'd be the most useful. Will there be a report function on people's profiles, or will it be down to PM/mods seeing said user's posts?

Mods deal with goatse in posts, so they should deal with it in avatars too.

[QUOTE=dai;45358198]I'm going to say at least for the first couple weeks/months, mods will PM people to say "that's crossing some lines and you should probably change it". If we get the old mod function back, we can just delete your avatar so you're forced to set up a new one you don't go to the guardian for porn. This website is chock full of younger kids and despite catering to pretty much everything nowadays, a porn dump thread in the middle of a normal section is a bad idea.[/QUOTE] Add a voice 'obscene avatar' in the 'Report Post for' too. Would easier the process for you guys too

[QUOTE=MasterFen006;45358210]Mods deal with goatse in posts, so they should deal with it in avatars too.[/QUOTE] blatant shit like that is attached to a gimmick account that needs permabanning anyways [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45358205]That'd be the most useful. Will there be a report function on people's profiles, or will it be down to PM/mods seeing said user's posts?[/QUOTE] adding an account-based report would require big changes though, as it currently require [I]two reports[/I] on the same post and it'd be rare that a user with an avatar on [I]every[/I] post will be reported for their avatar multiple times in one particular spot (unless they're new and have no other posts or something). best practice would be to PM a mod.