[QUOTE=OvB;20017071]You obviously don't understand how or why the system works. If we had no immigration laws, the amount of illegal goods in the United States would increase exponentially, as would the amount of kidnappings, gang violence, potential terrorism, and violence in general. Not to mention Illiteracy of the English Language. Believe it or not, a lot of immigrants, legal or illegal don't bother learning English before they come to our country. Some do, and I respect that. One of my friends is a Mexican immigrant who can speak English fluently.
Yes, we have a lot of immigrants coming in doing illegal deeds already, but this is with the "system" implemented. Boarder stations everywhere catch people running drugs, people, other goods on a daily, if not hourly basis. Their doing their job the best they can. Without them this whole place would be a disaster.[/QUOTE]
Just because we don't have immigration laws doesn't mean we can't have border-protection and ect. People should be allowed to become citizens of the United States, everyone. There should be no caps on that. If you want to become one of us, you should be allowed. Allowing drug lords to become American citizens won't make it any less easier for them to sneak their goods into America.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;20017143]And make it easier for the bad people to do bad things?
Two options:
Some good people come in, some good people don't get in, little bad people get in, some bad people don't get in.
OR
All of the good people come in, all of the bad people come in.
Which sounds safer? Which sounds better for the common good?[/QUOTE]
Allowing people to become citizens is not a bad thing. My view is not just leave the US borders unprotected. There would still be efforts to stop drug-peddling and ect.
Inmigration is not worth it unless its worth risking your life. (I mean that you are travelling because your life is at risk)
I live in a so called third world country, but there is alot of work oportunities here, I believe that those who go to the US are just looking for a "easy" escape when such a thing doesnt not exist... Most are even retarded enought to save cash all his life just to pay a "Coyote" (The coyote is the person that helps you travel illegaly to the US/Other Country) just to get scammed or fail.
FYI, a coyote can charge you $2500 to $5000 for the help... I mean, with that cash you can easily start a simple business or get a house and a work here, c'mmon!
[QUOTE=Santz;20017164]Inmigration is not worth it unless its worth risking your life. (I mean that you are travelling because your life is at risk)
I live in a so called third world country, but there is alot of work oportunities here, I believe that those who go to the US are just looking for a "easy" escape when such a thing doesnt not exist... Most are even retarded enought to save cash all his life just to pay a "Coyote" (The coyote is the person that helps you travel illegaly to the US/Other Country) just to get scammed or fail.
FYI, a coyote can charge you $2500 to $5000 for the help... I mean, with that cash you can easily start a simple business or get a house and a work here, c'mmon![/QUOTE]
US money is worth more and the Mexican economy isn't that strong. You are much more likely to end up a factory worker with low wages in Mexico than anything.
South Texas, end of story. I could feed Africa for one hundred years and bathe them for how many beaners and wetbacks their are here.
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[QUOTE=Santz;20017164]Inmigration is not worth it unless its worth risking your life. (I mean that you are travelling because your life is at risk)
I live in a so called third world country, but there is alot of work oportunities here, I believe that those who go to the US are just looking for a "easy" escape when such a thing doesnt not exist... Most are even retarded enought to save cash all his life just to pay a "Coyote" (The coyote is the person that helps you travel illegaly to the US/Other Country) just to get scammed or fail.
FYI, a coyote can charge you $2500 to $5000 for the help... I mean, with that cash you can easily start a simple business or get a house and a work here, c'mmon![/QUOTE]
If someone wants to become a citizen of a country, they should be allowed to.
[QUOTE=Mr.2007;20017233]South Texas, end of story. I could feed Africa for one hundred years and bathe them for how many beaners and wetbacks their are here.[/QUOTE]
that doesn't make any sense
and it's pretty dumb to use those words
[QUOTE=Mr.2007;20017233]South Texas, end of story. I could feed Africa for one hundred years and bathe them for how many beaners and wetbacks their are here.[/QUOTE]
Because obviously the number of illegal immigrants your country has equates to feeding a continent and bathing the citizens of said place.
[QUOTE=Mr.2007;20017233]South Texas, end of story. I could feed Africa for one hundred years and bathe them for how many beaners and wetbacks their are here.[/QUOTE]
what
Fuck immigrants, always causing problems for us, committing crimes, asking for jobs, asking for rights.
Fuck them.
Havent seen anything good come from unregulated borders.
[QUOTE=Neolk;20017159]
Allowing people to become citizens is not a bad thing. My view is not just leave the US borders unprotected. There would still be efforts to stop drug-peddling and ect.[/QUOTE]
So how do you suggest we fix this? How do we make sure these people will try to be honest? Your earlier solution of "If he kills someone, send them back" is not a good one. What if he kills 2 people? 100? 1,000?
Point is is that you can never keep all of the noise out, but this system sure as hell keeps a good bit of it out.
How do YOU suggest we accomplish this? How would we keep the borders open, deal with the exponential increase in population, stop the noise from getting in, and keep the economy from rupturing even further due to the rapid increase in population and little jobs to go around?
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;20017347]So how do you suggest we fix this? How do we make sure these people will try to be honest? Your earlier solution of "If he kills someone, send them back" is not a good one. What if he kills 2 people? 100? 1,000?
Point is is that you can never keep all of the noise out, but this system sure as hell keeps a good bit of it out.
How do YOU suggest we accomplish this? How would we keep the borders open, deal with the exponential increase in population, stop the noise from getting in, and keep the economy from rupturing even further due to the rapid increase in population and little jobs to go around?[/QUOTE]
Doesnt matter who they are, if they commit a crime then they should be kicked out of the country, if they commit murder then kill the fuckers and tell their government to do something about it.
[QUOTE=thisispain;20017213]US money is worth more and the Mexican economy isn't that strong. You are much more likely to end up a factory worker with low wages in Mexico than anything.[/QUOTE]
Well, I really dont know Mexico, I live on the country next to it(Guatemala).
But I know that the economy is not that strong, but with will you can go far in those countries, I know people who were at the bottom and know enjoy a good life; but I know even MORE people who wasted their lives saving cash to travel and loosed all or even worst got jailed or lost parts of their body(There are several parts which are intense in this travel, alot of people dont even make it to the border).
The only valid reason I find for trying to imigrate to other countries is that your life is at risk. (I mean, that shit happens alot in Mexico and here, since there are so many Drug dealers/gangs and if you do something wrong your fucked for life unless you get the fuck away from your country)
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;20017392]Doesnt matter who they are, if they commit a crime then they should be kicked out of the country, if they commit murder then kill the fuckers and tell their government to do something about it.[/QUOTE]
I think their respective country would kill them.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20017406]I think their respective country would kill them.[/QUOTE]
I say a cheap 22 to the back of the head should do the trick.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;20017392]Doesnt matter who they are, if they commit a crime then they should be kicked out of the country, if they commit murder then kill the fuckers and tell their government to do something about it.[/QUOTE]
If only it were that easy...
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;20017424]I say a cheap 22 to the back of the head should do the trick.[/QUOTE]
US won't allow that. There would be some huge bureaucratic process that requires a shitload of attorneys.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;20017341]Fuck immigrants, always causing problems for us, committing crimes, asking for jobs, asking for rights.
Fuck them.
Havent seen anything good come from unregulated borders.[/QUOTE]
You know whats funny? Alot of the imigration from Central-america to the US, began because the US started helping some random separatist there and their countries became war zones and people fleed to "better" places AKA USA, but unluckily along those people, there were criminals and ex-militar/separatists which started gangs in the US.
TL:DR, part of the imigration from this countries is fault of the US.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;20017460]If only it were that easy...[/QUOTE]
Oh but it is, Ive got guns, Ive got bullets, show me the criminals.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;20017341]Fuck immigrants, always causing problems for us, committing crimes, asking for jobs, asking for rights.
Fuck them.
Havent seen anything good come from unregulated borders.[/QUOTE]
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Hai guys look i am on internet forumz saying i will kil ppl for being criminals even tho i dont have the balls to ever take a liffe. :hurr:
Shut up kiddo. Shouldn't you be burning some crosses?
[QUOTE=Santz;20017405]Well, I really dont know Mexico, I live on the country next to it(Guatemala).
But I know that the economy is not that strong, but with will you can go far in those countries, I know people who were at the bottom and know enjoy a good life; but I know even MORE people who wasted their lives saving cash to travel and loosed all or even worst got jailed or lost parts of their body(There are several parts which are intense in this travel, alot of people dont even make it to the border).
The only valid reason I find for trying to imigrate to other countries is that your life is at risk. (I mean, that shit happens alot in Mexico and here, since there are so many Drug dealers/gangs and if you do something wrong your fucked for life unless you get the fuck away from your country)[/QUOTE]
Not all people can support families with factory wages.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;20017347]So how do you suggest we fix this? How do we make sure these people will try to be honest? Your earlier solution of "If he kills someone, send them back" is not a good one. What if he kills 2 people? 100? 1,000?
Point is is that you can never keep all of the noise out, but this system sure as hell keeps a good bit of it out.
How do YOU suggest we accomplish this? How would we keep the borders open, deal with the exponential increase in population, stop the noise from getting in, and keep the economy from rupturing even further due to the rapid increase in population and little jobs to go around?[/QUOTE]
You can never make sure they will 'try to be honest'. I was born into this country without so much as having to take the pledge of allegiance. What is stopping me from shooting up a school or going on a killing spree?
The fear of 'immigrants' is an irrational one. If someone wants to attack our country, they will do so. The same bars are on me buying a weapon and shooting someone as if an immigrant sneaks in and does the same thing.
MY ideal border system would be a system of checks. People could line up to come into America if they so choose, they would be patted down, checked for drugs, ect. Then if everything was right, would be directed down the line to fill out the paperwork to become a citizen. Once all the paper-work would be in order, bam. Legal citizen.
As for the jobs issue. New citizens may lead to a larger work force, but it would also lead to more profits. More people means more needs. More citizens to work yes, but also more to buy. The new citizens would also pay taxes which would buff up the economy with the new influx. Some may even start up businesses (Andrew Carnegie was an immigrant, let us not forget).
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;20017341]Fuck immigrants, always causing problems for us, committing crimes, asking for jobs, asking for rights.
Fuck them.
Havent seen anything good come from unregulated borders.[/QUOTE]
hah you are really ignorant
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[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;20017521]Oh but it is, Ive got guns, Ive got bullets, show me the criminals.[/QUOTE]
kids shouldn't have guns
[QUOTE=Viephemeral;20017524][IMG]http://britandgrit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/bnp_lyndamiller_kkk.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Im the guy with the sword, cause swords will cut your fucking hands off.
[QUOTE=thisispain;20017548]
poopy head[/QUOTE]
Youre a big meany.
People say YOU DEPEND ON THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES ANYWAYS!
If all our work is going to third world countries, then why the hell are they trying to come to ours? Like there are any jobs available for the LEGAL CITIZENS of the United States of America. Just in case you didn't know our economy is shit right now.
Yeah cheap labor... It is kind of ruining things for everybody else. A dollar an hour may be good for people going back to a very poor country, but for people who have expenses such as taxes, rent, families to support, they cannot work at cheap rates.
If you aren't legal you are not right. Get the fuck out of my country and go back to your own goddamn piece of shit land.
Illegal immigrants prove that America is number. They fight so hard to get into our country.
[QUOTE=Neolk;20017528]
MY ideal border system would be a system of checks. People could line up to come into America if they so choose, they would be patted down, checked for drugs, ect. Then if everything was right, would be directed down the line to fill out the paperwork to become a citizen. Once all the paper-work would be in order, bam. Legal citizen.
[/QUOTE]
That's already what we do.
Look what happened to Canada.
I don't care if your country just had a bad fucking earthquake. Our country has earthquakes every fucking month. Get over and get the fuck out and go back to your shit island.
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;20017598]That's already what we do.[/QUOTE]
That is no where close to our immigration policy. We accept a small number of people each year, and the test is fuckin' rigorous. I had a cleaning lady who used to go to my house, she came on a Visa and got kicked out. She has been trying to get back into this country for Ten-Fucking-Years. That is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=UnclesamsNephew;20017595]People say YOU DEPEND ON THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES ANYWAYS!
If all our work is going to third world countries, then why the hell are they trying to come to ours? Like there are any jobs available for the LEGAL CITIZENS of the United States of America. Just in case you didn't know our economy is shit right now.
Yeah cheap labor... It is kind of ruining things for everybody else. A dollar an hour may be good for people going back to a very poor country, but for people who have expenses such as taxes, rent, families to support, they cannot work at cheap rates.
If you aren't legal you are not right. Get the fuck out of my country and go back to your own goddamn piece of shit land.
Illegal immigrants prove that America is number. They fight so hard to get into our country.[/QUOTE]
"Lol, srry u were born in a h3ll h0l3, better luck next tim3."
That is ridiculous. Get rid of the concept of the 'illegal immigrant'. If someone wants to become a citizen, it should be a quick, free process. We don't have to be so heartless.
[quote]I don't care if your country just had a bad fucking earthquake. Our country has earthquakes every fucking month. Get over and get the fuck out and go back to your shit island.[/quote] I can't tell if you are serious or just playing the Colbert approach.
[QUOTE=thisispain;20017526]Not all people can support families with factory wages.[/QUOTE]
You know one of the most sad things of Imigration?
Alot of the people who travel there, end up forgetting about their families and start a new one on the US, so their family ends up even more fucked up or the opposite, He goes to the US, and sends cash to his beloved family while his wife got a new husband and only waits for the cash to come.
I know that not all people are like that, there are some exceptional families that stay together even when they are so distant.
But the main problem with imigration is the country were they go, and the type of people which go there; if only the nice people who only wants to get paid to aid his family travelled, there wouldnt be a problem, the real issue are those sick ones that only go to join gangs or make a mess, those are the ones that give Imigrants a horrible look.
Also, the jobs, alot of people are just pissed because Latin americans take jobs for minimal wages, and leave the north americans without an oportunity; altho the jobs that most imigrants take are shitjobs but they still complain and they are in their right to complain about it.
Believe me, I would love to see all people happy but its just impossible.
[QUOTE=Neolk;20017646]
That is ridiculous. Get rid of the concept of the 'illegal immigrant'. If someone wants to become a citizen, it should be a quick, free process. We don't have to be so heartless.
[/QUOTE]
We have enough people living in the slums and committing crimes. Ive seen so many gangs and the majority of them are immigrants from countries like Mexico and Haiti, fuck them. We need more restrictions on who can come into the country.
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