[QUOTE=Vasili;20018276]
Heck 50 years ago I would be given strange looks if I asked to get a curry after a Friday night out drinking here in Britain, now its Britain's number one dish.
For good or bad? Up to you.[/QUOTE]
Let's be honest, Britain isn't known for their cuisine, be thankful for curry.
[QUOTE=Neolk;20018262]Back on the fucking topic. As I said before, there is no -real reason- to have say, limits on our immigration policy. Be that caps on coming in, or whatever we currently do.[/QUOTE]
So you want our country flooding with people who are not even literate? Or do not even speak English? If you love them so much go live with them you filthy race traitor.
Its left wing pussies like you that are killing this beautiful country.
[QUOTE=Vasili;20018276]Its called standards.
People are traditionalists and culture lovers too, you don't understand the effects of immigration can do to comminities.
[B]Customs and even laws change over the years as immigration rises.[/B]
Heck 50 years ago I would be given strange looks if I asked to get a curry after a Friday night out drinking here in Britain, now its Britain's number one dish.
For good or bad? Up to you.[/QUOTE]
Isn't America supposed to be the big melting pot? Trying to slow down the evolution of the culture due to immigrants seems, well, stupid.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;20018290]I think they should be redone to be more efficient and less ridiculous. I can't imagine a good reason to decline my grandma a visitation to the USA, considering that it was for Christmas, and my grandma is old. Not exactly a threat to national security.[/QUOTE]
She is most certainly a threat to national security.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;20018290]I think they should be redone to be more efficient and less ridiculous. I can't imagine a good reason to decline my grandma a visitation to the USA, considering that it was for Christmas, and my grandma is old. Not exactly a threat to national security.[/QUOTE]
I agree.
But simply opening up the borders like the OP is suggesting is the wrong way to do it.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;20018324]I agree.
[B]But simply opening up the borders [/B]like the OP is suggesting is the wrong way to do it.[/QUOTE]
Yep, definitely not a good idea.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;20018290]I think they should be redone to be more efficient and less ridiculous. I can't imagine a good reason to decline my grandma a visitation to the USA, considering that it was for Christmas, and my grandma is old. Not exactly a threat to national security.[/QUOTE]
She could be hiding shit in her old sagging tits for all we know. Would you risk the lives of Americans just to see your grandma? Go visit her you lazy bastard.
National security is a threat to national security.
[QUOTE=Aegis°;20018339]National security is a threat to national security.[/QUOTE]
Yes but Kybalt's terrorist grandma is even more of a threat.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;20018307]Isn't America supposed to be the big melting pot? Trying to slow down the evolution of the culture due to immigrants seems, well, stupid.[/QUOTE]
White picket fence and a loving Christian family - That's American culture, it has frozen. The immigrant melting pot was ideals from the 1800's and early 1900's, America now forces everyone else to be American.
[QUOTE=Aegis°;20018339]National security is a threat to national security.[/QUOTE]
Cancer research causes cancer.
[QUOTE=Aegis°;20018339]National security is a threat to national security.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like a bad movie plot, a self-aware computer realizes that the government is a threat to the USA and goes to wipe it out with nukes or something and the heros just barely stop it and then have hot sex in the server room. :v:
[QUOTE=Vasili;20018276]Its called standards.
People are traditionalists and culture lovers too, you don't understand the effects of immigration can do to comminities.
Customs and even laws change over the years as immigration rises.
Heck 50 years ago I would be given strange looks if I asked to get a curry after a Friday night out drinking here in Britain, now its Britain's number one dish.
For good or bad? Up to you.[/QUOTE]
Cultures change, I don't think that is a fair reason to exclude people.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;20018324]I agree.
But simply opening up the borders like the OP is suggesting is the wrong way to do it.[/QUOTE] When I mean 'open borders' I mean that anyone can become a citizen. We shouldn't exclude people. The 'background checks' only have the potential of kicking someone out who doesn't deserve to be. Criminals will not change their strategies when they are in the country legally or illegally.
[QUOTE=Vasili;20018355][B]White picket fence and a loving Christian family - That's American culture, it has frozen[/B]. The immigrant melting pot was ideals from the 1800's and early 1900's, America now forces everyone else to be American.[/QUOTE]
That's like, the 50s.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;20018387]Cancer research causes cancer.[/QUOTE]
It most certainly does. Along with drinking water, walking, and scratching your balls.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;20018290]I think they should be redone to be more efficient and less ridiculous. I can't imagine a good reason to decline my grandma a visitation to the USA, considering that it was for Christmas, and my grandma is old. Not exactly a threat to national security.[/QUOTE]
And by the way Kybalt, if she wasn't a threat then she would have obviously been allowed to come here. Obviously this means she was a threat.
[QUOTE=Vasili;20018355]White picket fence and a loving Christian family - That's American culture, it has frozen. The immigrant melting pot was ideals from the 1800's and early 1900's, America now forces everyone else to be American.[/QUOTE]
No one is Christian any more.
Most of the people that say they are really don't give a shit, including me.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;20018422]No one is Christian any more.
Most of the people that say they are really don't give a shit, including me.[/QUOTE]
heavily disagree, the evangelical christian right is dangerous
[QUOTE=Aegis°;20018413]It most certainly does. Along with drinking water, walking, and scratching your balls.[/QUOTE]
There's chlorine in the water or something like that.
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So your gums can rot
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;20018422]No one is Christian any more.
Most of the people that say they are really don't give a shit, including me.[/QUOTE]
Mhmm....
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac[/media]
[QUOTE=Vasili;20018355]White picket fence and a loving Christian family - That's American culture, it has frozen. The immigrant melting pot was ideals from the 1800's and early 1900's, America now forces everyone else to be American.[/QUOTE]
InB4Foucaultbiopolitics.
That is a wrong view, and even if it is what we are doing now that doesn't make it right.
[QUOTE=Neolk;20018401]Cultures change, I don't think that is a fair reason to exclude people.[/QUOTE]
People [I]like[/I] their specific culture, what about them? Why must their culture be forced on another culture?
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[QUOTE=Kybalt;20018410]That's like, the 50s.[/QUOTE]
Americans, specifically Conservatives still live in the 50's.
[QUOTE=Neolk;20018401]Cultures change, I don't think that is a fair reason to exclude people.
[B] When I mean 'open borders' I mean that anyone can become a citizen.[/B] We shouldn't exclude people. The 'background checks' only have the potential of kicking someone out who doesn't deserve to be. Criminals will not change their strategies when they are in the country legally or illegally.[/QUOTE]
Anyone can become a citizen though, as it stands though, it's just very difficult. I got lucky, since my great grandpa lived here and built houses, we owned a house he had built here. It's a nice place too, 4 bed, 2 1/2 bathrooms, kitchen, living room, basement. An American house :v:
[QUOTE=thisispain;20018431]heavily disagree, the evangelical christian right is dangerous[/QUOTE]
I don't really know any good christians. I go to a christian school, sure, but no one gives a fuck. It's more like "I believe in a god, but i don't give two shits what he thinks." Even me.
But then again I live in a more urban area. But that's a discussion for another time.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;20018462]I don't really know any good christians. I go to a christian school, sure, but no one gives a fuck. It's more like "I believe in a god, but i don't give two shits what he thinks." Even me.
But then again I live in a more urban area. But that's a discussion for another time.[/QUOTE]
you should try it in california
:sweatdrop:
Immigration = Good. Illegal immigration = bad. Yeah, you came to our country illegally and don't pay taxes. Could you atleast learn the fucking language?
PS: Small town in Arizona down south. Lot's of illegals.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;20018462]I don't really know any good christians. I go to a christian school, sure, but no one gives a fuck. It's more like "I believe in a god, but i don't give two shits what he thinks." Even me.
But then again I live in a more urban area. But that's a discussion for another time.[/QUOTE]
The way I see it is, there's some people who are total atheists (myself included), then there's agnostics, then there's the major religion people, be they Jewish, Christian, or whatever, they don't really believe it, but have it pushed on them by their parents, if it wasn't they'd be agnostic or maybe atheist, and then a small part believe in a god and their religion. That's just my generalization of my peers in high school though, I live in NJ, in case anyone's wondering, this is probably different around the country.
[QUOTE=thisispain;20018492]you should try it in california
:sweatdrop:[/QUOTE]
I live on the East Coast, Philly to be exact. Not a lot of militant religious people over here, at least in Philly. Sure, I'm somewhat religious, but some things come before my religion. Most everyone I know stops caring at confirmation.
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[QUOTE=Kybalt;20018522]The way I see it is, there's some people who are total atheists (myself included), then there's agnostics, then there's the major religion people, be they Jewish, Christian, or whatever, they don't really believe it, but have it pushed on them by their parents, if it wasn't they'd be agnostic or maybe atheist, and then a small part believe in a god and their religion. That's just my generalization of my peers in high school though.[/QUOTE]
I'm more Christian agnostic myself. I believe it, but I just don't follow it. I never go to church, I never say prayers, I don't think twice before "sinning". It's a weird way of thinking, I suppose, but I guess that's what years of religious education does to you.
All I know is that I'm going to hell. And I'm fine with that.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;20018536]I live on the East Coast, Philly to be exact. Not a lot of militant religious people over here, at least in Philly. Sure, I'm somewhat religious, but some things come before my religion. Most everyone I know stops caring at confirmation.
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I'm more Christian agnostic myself. I believe it, but I just don't follow it. I never go to church, I never say prayers, I don't think twice before "sinning". It's a weird way of thinking, I suppose, but I guess that's what years of [B]indoctrination[/B] does to you.
All I know is that I'm going to hell. And I'm fine with that.[/QUOTE]
Fix'd :v:
Same difference.
The way I see it, there could be a god, sure. There might not be one, who knows. Maybe he created the universe through the big bang or magic dust or what have you, or maybe it's just a cosmic accident. At the end of the say, we're all human so why don't we just grab a beer and sit back?
Sort of on topic, I hate how our immigration policy is. It is not perfect. But I think it's a necessary evil. We all wish there was a better way, but we just don't know how.
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