Troy handguard installed. Looks kinda like a CETME like this...
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XMSyCBqh.jpg[/IMG]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/feQ2ussh.jpg[/img]
Personally, I'm looking to upgrade to Manticore Arms's ALFA rail handguards
[img]http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/MA-11200complete.jpg[/img]
I thought about getting the MI Keymod handguards, but went with the Troy because it's about $50 cheaper than a same length MI.
I'm sorry, I think the keymod looks stupid. I don't really care how practical it may be compared to a rail or whatever, I'm not going to get a gun that I think looks ugly unless there's something historically significant about it. That, and I'm fair certain that anything you can fit on a keymod you can get for a rail, and probably more.
The idea is that you only put on rails where you need them, so you don't have to grab a handful of sharp edges, or spend a bunch of money on bulky rail covers.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;47017098]I'm sorry, I think the keymod looks stupid. I don't really care how practical it may be compared to a rail or whatever, I'm not going to get a gun that I think looks ugly unless there's something historically significant about it. That, and I'm fair certain that anything you can fit on a keymod you can get for a rail, and probably more.[/QUOTE]
There are currently two alternatives to keymod; M-LOK by Magpul, and ARC-LOK by Manticore Arms
Same handguards with ARC-LOK
[img]http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/MA-11280arcloklowerwithtopcover.jpg[/img]
M-LOK
[thumb]http://d3cfki0l5o2ps6.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/special-content/MLOKASPOT.jpg[/thumb]
I think Magpul going with M-LOK was stupid because they're the only people making anything for it, while there are multiple companies making Keymod components. I don't think Manticore has the resources to single handedly produce an entire market of accessories that go with a product only they are producing.
[QUOTE=darunner;47017467]I think Magpul going with M-LOK was stupid because they're the only people making anything for it, while there are multiple companies making Keymod components. I don't think Manticore has the resources to single handedly produce an entire market of accessories that go with a product only they are producing.[/QUOTE]
I agree, however, Magpul has released the specs for M-LOK to the open market, royalty free in an effort to make it more prolific.
Apparently, from a material science perspective, M-LOK and ARC-LOK are stronger in critical areas and use less space, as well as allowing more positions for mounting.
Keymod is in its heyday right now, but we'll see what edges it out.
ARC-LOK is patent-pending, but is supposedly compatible (somewhat) with M-LOK.
My grandfather passed away unexpectedly two weeks ago. When I was visiting my grandmother for the funeral, she got out a small collection of guns I've apparently inherited.
Some kind of .22. No idea who by. Grandmother doesn't know where or when it came from.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/jW5kzGQ.jpg[/t]
Smith & Wesson 422. Another .22, apparently from a relative who died about ten years ago. Doesn't seem to have ever been used.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/n0FMSR3.jpg[/t]
And lastly, a 1907 Dreyse that my great-grandfather, a Canadian soldier deployed to the Western Front in WW1, captured at some point before being hit with mustard gas. He survived the war, so I expected the gun had probably been used since, but the magazines stored with it are loaded with what looks like WW1-era German .32ACP and the bore is absolutely pristine. Despite the worn appearance all the functions seem fine and there's no sign of significant wear internally.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/7HZdnoz.jpg[/t]
I wasn't able to bring them home with me this trip but when I do I'm debating whether or not to take the Dreyse to the range. I've always been a fan of the 'living history' approach to old guns, but it is a family heirloom and over a hundred years old.
that dreyse is in really good condition, it should be safe. have a smith check that it's headspaced properly and that the barrel (not just the bore) is in good condition l before you go put modern loads in it though
If you're worried you can have a gunsmith check it out, but that Dreyse looks like it's in pretty great condition. Anyways headspace issues are not something you have to worry about unless it's had the barrel changed or [I]significant[/I] throat erosion
It's not that I'm worried about it exploding in my hand, it's a pre-Browning design with a stupidly heavy, overbuilt slide and it shoots dinky little .32ACP. It's more that I feel like a redneck at the idea of shooting it, given its history and significance as a family heirloom.
'Here's an antique pistol your great-grandpa almost died for, it's in good condition having sat stored away untouched for a hundred years, you are now the inheritor of this piece of history'
'LESS SEE HOW IT DUN' SHOOT HYUCK HYUCK'
Maybe I'm overthinking it.
yeah you're definitely overthinking it. that gun was built to be shot, not to be locked in a safe for a century
I'm thinking of buying an AR-15/M4 pattern rifle and use it to fire .300 BLK. I plan to have it suppressed, so I might go out and just buy the one M4 pattern rifle I know that has an integrated suppressor on it bringing the barrel length just longer than 16". Should I do this or go for something else? I live in the big 'ol Texas, and my city doesn't have anything about restricting silencers. I do want a silenced rifle partially because it would be nice to be able to use it without hearing protection and not damage your hearing. I plan to shoot both sub and supersonic ammunition through it, which the manufacture says it's fine for that. I know I have to go through the work of owning a suppressed weapon, but I'm fine with it. And no, I don't want to shoot something like a .223 and I know 30-30 has better ballistics to a degree than the .300 BLK.
Another thing is optics. I might just use a reflex sight on it if I'm going to switch between sub and supersonic ammo. Any recommendations?
I'm actually not sure if my County restricts suppressors. I'm not getting a clear answer from my searching around. If anything, I'll probably still use .300 BLK ammo anyway.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47018049]It's not that I'm worried about it exploding in my hand, it's a pre-Browning design with a stupidly heavy, overbuilt slide and it shoots dinky little .32ACP. It's more that I feel like a redneck at the idea of shooting it, given its history and significance as a family heirloom.
'Here's an antique pistol your great-grandpa almost died for, it's in good condition having sat stored away untouched for a hundred years, you are now the inheritor of this piece of history'
'LESS SEE HOW IT DUN' SHOOT HYUCK HYUCK'
Maybe I'm overthinking it.[/QUOTE]
I think you're overthinking it. I'm not saying you should pump hundreds of rounds through it or shoot it every day or anything, but it's meant to be used. Shooting it once in a great while wont hurt it.
If you can't shoot the fucking thing, what's the point in having it? Guns were made to be shot, I'm sure your great-grandfather wouldn't mind you shooting his old gun, hell, he'd probably be happy it still works after a hundred years. You don't have to make it a range toy you bring out every time, but go shoot it, it's what it was made for.
[QUOTE=Lv100Garchomp;47018288]I'm thinking of buying an AR-15/M4 pattern rifle and use it to fire .300 BLK. I plan to have it suppressed, so I might go out and just buy the one M4 pattern rifle I know that has an integrated suppressor on it bringing the barrel length just longer than 16". Should I do this or go for something else? I live in the big 'ol Texas, and my city doesn't have anything about restricting silencers. I do want a silenced rifle partially because it would be nice to be able to use it without hearing protection and not damage your hearing. I plan to shoot both sub and supersonic ammunition through it, which the manufacture says it's fine for that. I know I have to go through the work of owning a suppressed weapon, but I'm fine with it. And no, I don't want to shoot something like a .223 and I know 30-30 has better ballistics to a degree than the .300 BLK.
Another thing is optics. I might just use a reflex sight on it if I'm going to switch between sub and supersonic ammo. Any recommendations?
I'm actually not sure if my County restricts suppressors. I'm not getting a clear answer from my searching around. If anything, I'll probably still use .300 BLK ammo anyway.[/QUOTE]
If you're not sure if your county restricts something, which I highly doubt they do, call your local sheriffs office.
As far as your desired setup goes, 300blk isn't bad, but in my humble opinion, you'd be better off with 5.56 suppressed instead of 300.
Unless you're filthy rich.
300 isn't bad if you're going to hunt with it, but it's a little too expensive if you're just going to the range.
[QUOTE=Lv100Garchomp;47018288]I'm thinking of buying an AR-15/M4 pattern rifle and use it to fire .300 BLK. I plan to have it suppressed, so I might go out and just buy the one M4 pattern rifle I know that has an integrated suppressor on it bringing the barrel length just longer than 16". Should I do this or go for something else? I live in the big 'ol Texas, and my city doesn't have anything about restricting silencers. I do want a silenced rifle partially because it would be nice to be able to use it without hearing protection and not damage your hearing. I plan to shoot both sub and supersonic ammunition through it, which the manufacture says it's fine for that. I know I have to go through the work of owning a suppressed weapon, but I'm fine with it. And no, I don't want to shoot something like a .223 and I know 30-30 has better ballistics to a degree than the .300 BLK.
Another thing is optics. I might just use a reflex sight on it if I'm going to switch between sub and supersonic ammo. Any recommendations?
I'm actually not sure if my County restricts suppressors. I'm not getting a clear answer from my searching around. If anything, I'll probably still use .300 BLK ammo anyway.[/QUOTE]
Get a 762x39 ar upper with a cmr ak from leatherwood or a 4x PA acss reticle with the 762x39/ 300blk BDC. Cheaper than 300blk, and better ballistics.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;47019467]If you're not sure if your county restricts something, which I highly doubt they do, call your local sheriffs office.
As far as your desired setup goes, 300blk isn't bad, but in my humble opinion, you'd be better off with 5.56 suppressed instead of 300.[/QUOTE]
I'll be calling them tomorrow. Thanks for the advice. It is a little more expensive ammo wise, but it's just slightly higher than 7.62x51mm ammo. I'm still weighing the overall pros and cons. Though with 5.56 ammo, finding subsonic is kind of tough which means I'd use supersonic ammunition even with a suppressor which I'm fine with.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;47019764]Get a 762x39 ar upper with a cmr ak from leatherwood or a 4x PA acss reticle with the 762x39/ 300blk BDC. Cheaper than 300blk, and better ballistics.[/QUOTE]
I don't really want to use the 7.62x39. If anything, I'd probably go for the 7.62x51 if I use a larger round than the 5.56 and don't use .300
[QUOTE=Lv100Garchomp;47019873]I'll be calling them tomorrow. Thanks for the advice. It is a little more expensive ammo wise, but it's just slightly higher than 7.62x51mm ammo. I'm still weighing the overall pros and cons. Though with 5.56 ammo, finding subsonic is kind of tough which means I'd use supersonic ammunition even with a suppressor which I'm fine with.
I don't really want to use the 7.62x39. If anything, I'd probably go for the 7.62x51 if I use a larger round than the 5.56 and don't use .300[/QUOTE]
762x39 is equivalent to 30-30.
.308 is a better option for hunting, though it as as expensive as 300blk; subsonic 556, 300blk, and .308 will be much more expensive.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;47019885]762x39 is equivalent to 30-30.
.308 is a better option for hunting, though it as as expensive as 300blk; subsonic 556, 300blk, and .308 will be much more expensive.[/QUOTE]
True. I still haven't fully set out what I am going to do yet. This is more or less getting an idea of what I could do before I actually go out and get it.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47017756]My grandfather passed away unexpectedly two weeks ago. When I was visiting my grandmother for the funeral, she got out a small collection of guns I've apparently inherited.[/quote]
Sorry for your loss, man. I lost my grandfather a couple years ago. It hurt bad.
[quote]Some kind of .22. No idea who by. Grandmother doesn't know where or when it came from.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/jW5kzGQ.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
A 3rd FPer with a Buffalo Scout!
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;47019467]If you're not sure if your county restricts something, which I highly doubt they do, call your local sheriffs office.
As far as your desired setup goes, 300blk isn't bad, but in my humble opinion, you'd be better off with 5.56 suppressed instead of 300.[/QUOTE]
I love 5.56 and completely dislike .300 blk but putting 5.56 through a suppressor is so fucking useless. it's one of the loudest rounds you can get not because of the relatively small muzzle blast, but because it fucks the sound barrier so hard. if you get subsonic 5.56 it'll just be .22lr but cost 30 times more
[QUOTE=MAC21500;47019885]762x39 is equivalent to 30-30.[/QUOTE]
.30-30 is a bit hotter (~2.5KJ compared to ~2.1KJ muzzle energy), but being a big, slow, fat round it mushrooms pretty considerably on impact and used to be a popular hunting round. 7.62x39 doesn't really fragment or mushroom and loves to overpenetrate, it's not as damaging and not really comparable. If I wanted something heavier than 5.56 I'd jump straight to the .308.
[QUOTE=darunner;47020591]A 3rd FPer with a Buffalo Scout![/QUOTE]
Is that what it is? I have no idea, it was just in a leather holster. The only identifying mark I saw was a stamp on the frame with a 67 in it. Reading a bit about Scouts I see they came with both .22LR and .22 mag cylinders, is there any easy way to tell which it is?
[QUOTE=Camwi_003]Is that an SKB 600? Made in Japan?
I have one just like that in 20 ga. Want a picture?[/QUOTE]
Its a Franchi, made in Italy. I typed that under the picture!
No worries though, & yes, Id love to see a pic. I love o/u shotguns!
[QUOTE=catbarf;47020930]Is that what it is? I have no idea, it was just in a leather holster. The only identifying mark I saw was a stamp on the frame with a 67 in it. Reading a bit about Scouts I see they came with both .22LR and .22 mag cylinders, is there any easy way to tell which it is?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, looks almost identical to mine, but mine has a polished cylinder. Mine has the caliber .22LR stamped on the left side of the barrel.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/tdpLXRLh.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/KetAmuvh.jpg[/img]
I'm convinced the FNX .45 is magical. 15 rounds of .45 that doesn't result in an over sized grip or even a very heavy gun and it recoils like you are shooting 9mm out of a compact. Followup shots are astonishingly easy.
Has anyone else shot one of these things?
[QUOTE=GunFox;47022327]I'm convinced the FNX .45 is magical. 15 rounds of .45 that doesn't result in an over sized grip or even a very heavy gun and it recoils like you are shooting 9mm out of a compact. Followup shots are astonishingly easy.
Has anyone else shot one of these things?[/QUOTE]
Yup, and I really really want one.
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[QUOTE=catbarf;47020930].30-30 is a bit hotter (~2.5KJ compared to ~2.1KJ muzzle energy), but being a big, slow, fat round it mushrooms pretty considerably on impact and used to be a popular hunting round. 7.62x39 doesn't really fragment or mushroom and loves to overpenetrate, it's not as damaging and not really comparable. If I wanted something heavier than 5.56 I'd jump straight to the .308.
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You're using the wrong ammo; there is ammo that expands and fragments, but it isn't as cheap as wolf (unless you get the stuff with 8M3 bullets).
Winchester PDX1 and Federal Fusion both expand reliably.
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