"Well built," "lightweight," ".45," "under $500" - pick any three.
Your search criteria is too narrow. A well-built, lightweight .45 does not exist for under $500 that I know of.
We were just talking about why 1911s aren't great carry guns (for the nth time) but the best full size .45 1911 for the price that you could get is the Umarex Regent R200SS, which is what I have. Mine was $450, and I spent another 20 bucks replacing the shitty aluminum magazine it ships with (I think I have read that they ship them with USGI spec steel mags now). While mine is just a range toy, I could carry it if I wanted to in an underarm holster under my jacket, and I would feel safe doing so as long as I wasn't getting mugged by more than 7 people at a time. However I usually count on there being at least 10 muggers so I carry my C96 and some spare clips instead.
You might find a Glock 21 for a bit over 500 (closer to or a bit above 600) but don't expect a deal to write home about from a gun store, as they will want to turn a profit. You'll probably pay 700 dollars in a gun store, but at least that way you're getting warranty/service/etc from any reputable store.
I believe the current .45 of choice for .45 guys is the FNX, but I'd feel safer with a USP after some bad experiences with FN products. You might just save your money a bit longer and wait until you can shell out a bit more for a higher end gun, you don't want to cheap out when it comes to self defense.
Hi Point doesn't make a shitty 45 and they're like $250 bucks. People bash Hi Point but they're not bad guns.I got one just for the hell of it and it's accurate as hell, doesn't jam, etc. Plus, the lifetime "no questions asked" warranty is good too.
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48487002]Hi Point doesn't make a shitty 45 and they're like $250 bucks. People bash Hi Point but they're not bad guns.I got one just for the hell of it and it's accurate as hell, doesn't jam, etc. Plus, the lifetime "no questions asked" warranty is good too.[/QUOTE]
have you even seen the [i]size[/i] of those things...they have the ergonomics of a fucking boat anchor.
You'd have to be completely flat broke while also in fiendish peril or a complete cheapskating idiot to trust your life on a Hi Point. You should only consider a hi point if you're completely all out of options. If you've got the cabbage for better, you should go for the better option.
Why would you ever buy something that has no resale value that you don't want in the first place? It's not like a stepping stone. Buying a shitty $250 Hipoint doesn't make the $500 Glock cheaper. It just makes it a $750 Glock.
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;48487790]have you even seen the [i]size[/i] of those things...they have the ergonomics of a fucking boat anchor.
You'd have to be completely flat broke while also in fiendish peril or a complete cheapskating idiot to trust your life on a Hi Point. You should only consider a hi point if you're completely all out of options. If you've got the cabbage for better, you should go for the better option.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=mastermaul;48487837]Why would you ever buy something that has no resale value that you don't want in the first place? It's not like a stepping stone. Buying a shitty $250 Hipoint doesn't make the $500 Glock cheaper. It just makes it a $750 Glock.[/QUOTE]
Just curious, have either of you owned one? I see a lot of grandstanding about how awful the Hi Point is from people who have never owned them, yet most people I've talked to who own them seem to like them for what they are- cheap and reliable and nothing more. I'd never recommend one for CC because they're just so big, but if they perform adequately then I don't understand their reputation.
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48487002]Hi Point doesn't make a shitty 45 and they're like $250 bucks. People bash Hi Point but they're not bad guns.I got one just for the hell of it and it's accurate as hell, doesn't jam, etc. Plus, the lifetime "no questions asked" warranty is good too.[/QUOTE]
hi points are fine but they're heavy and look stupid
[QUOTE=catbarf;48487997]Just curious, have either of you owned one? I see a lot of grandstanding about how awful the Hi Point is from people who have never owned them, yet most people I've talked to who own them seem to like them for what they are- cheap and reliable and nothing more. I'd never recommend one for CC because they're just so big, but if they perform adequately then I don't understand their reputation.[/QUOTE]
I've handled one but not shot one, I thought it wasn't very comfortable and it felt just really cheap. It did not inspire a lot of confidence in me.
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;48488848]I've handled one but not shot one, I thought it wasn't very comfortable and it felt just really cheap. It did not inspire a lot of confidence in me.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I get that, but my AK isn't very comfortable, feels cheap (mmm, plywood!), and isn't exactly a MOA tack driver. Yet when I post that I have an AK I don't get a dozen replies asking why I'd buy an AK instead of shelling out for a $1000 AR or something.
Like there are a lot of guns where cheap, simple reliability, with no bells and whistles, is appreciated- and then there's Hi-Points, which by all accounts seem to work fine, but get a totally different reaction. Is it because they don't have milsurp history, or because they're gangbanger guns, or something else entirely? Not trying to stir the pot or anything, I just genuinely don't get it. If it goes bang, the bad guy isn't gonna care whether the gun the .45 came from felt 'cheap'.
I think it comes down to the fact they are subjectively ugly, and that strives from a design that doesn't look efficient, ergonomic or particularly refined. Also the fact that from my experience, the majority of people who buy hi-points don't know a lot about guns. The only thing I feel it has going for it is being the cheapest gun you can buy. I would think an extra $80 to get a Kel-Tec PF-9, or a Taraus 709 or Millennium would be a much better use of money. If you'd need a full frame pistol I think the next cheapest after a Hi-Point would be a SAR B6P, which is pretty well regarded for a $270 handgun with 16 round capacity.
they're not even the cheapest gun you can buy. any old used revolver is cheaper and just as reliable
[QUOTE=butre;48490415]they're not even the cheapest gun you can buy. any old used revolver is cheaper and just as reliable[/QUOTE]
Cheapest new semi-auto pistols I should say. To be honest though it's pretty hard to find a gun under $100 even used.
build ar for $400
buy cheap shit steel lacquer .223 for it
dump 10w30 motor oil on the bolt carrier and now you have a home defense firearm
[QUOTE=Moose;48490503]build ar for $400
buy cheap shit steel lacquer .223 for it
dump 10w30 motor oil on the bolt carrier and now you have a home defense firearm[/QUOTE]
I think you misspelled AK...
And everyone forgets I own a Hi-Point C9... That I got for 120... Which works halfway decent, and I can conceal carry it. Ok, so also, de-primed a spent 410 shell, and cut it down to the brass. I got the idea from this video. I plan on buying an adapter set eventually as well. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES59LtA7XE8[/media]
Opportunity to buy a lightly used PS90 for $1200. I was thinking about SBRing it. Opinions? I've only handled one once before, but I found it comfortable.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48491481]Opportunity to buy a lightly used PS90 for $1200. I was thinking about SBRing it. Opinions? I've only handled one once before, but I found it comfortable.[/QUOTE]
I thought they ran for $1200 new. I dunno, I would definitely examine and possibly field strip it to look for any blaring issues if you have the chance.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48491481]Opportunity to buy a lightly used PS90 for $1200. I was thinking about SBRing it. Opinions? I've only handled one once before, but I found it comfortable.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't only because ammo is stupid expensive and can be difficult to find; during the last panic, all thee 5.7x28 was sucked up pretty quickly.
IMHO a 9mm PCC (ex. Skorpion EVO) would be a better investment.
Nah 5.7 is like $20 for a box of 50. I used to think 5.7 was expensive but it's really not
Trouble is that's one magazine in the P90. :v:
I'm more concerned about reliability, etc. as I've never shot one.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48493682]Trouble is that's one magazine in the P90. :v:
I'm more concerned about reliability, etc. as I've never shot one.[/QUOTE]
They are actually really reliable. I have only put about 200-300 rounds through a friends, but there weren't any issues along the way except one issue with a knick on a casing from whatever ammo he had. He said he's never had any issues, and he got his used at a gun show. But he didn't pay $1200. That's the factory new price.
I am probably going to pass this up because this gun is a couple years old, not shot much from what I understand but I might as well just order one at the gun store if that's what they cost new. I had seen them going for 1500-1600 at the Fort Worth gun show which is the only time I ever saw one for sale so I just assumed they were in that range.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48485263]"Well built," "lightweight," ".45," "under $500" - pick any three.
Your search criteria is too narrow. A well-built, lightweight .45 does not exist for under $500 that I know of.
We were just talking about why 1911s aren't great carry guns (for the nth time) but the best full size .45 1911 for the price that you could get is the Umarex Regent R200SS, which is what I have. Mine was $450, and I spent another 20 bucks replacing the shitty aluminum magazine it ships with (I think I have read that they ship them with USGI spec steel mags now). While mine is just a range toy, I could carry it if I wanted to in an underarm holster under my jacket, and I would feel safe doing so as long as I wasn't getting mugged by more than 7 people at a time. However I usually count on there being at least 10 muggers so I carry my C96 and some spare clips instead.
You might find a Glock 21 for a bit over 500 (closer to or a bit above 600) but don't expect a deal to write home about from a gun store, as they will want to turn a profit. You'll probably pay 700 dollars in a gun store, but at least that way you're getting warranty/service/etc from any reputable store.
I believe the current .45 of choice for .45 guys is the FNX, but I'd feel safer with a USP after some bad experiences with FN products. You might just save your money a bit longer and wait until you can shell out a bit more for a higher end gun, you don't want to cheap out when it comes to self defense.[/QUOTE]
The FNX is a solid choice. Designed as a full blown service pistol, all of the parts are replaceable and the thing is reliable as all hell. The gun is extremely light, but 15 rounds of.45 still weighs quite a bit.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48485263]"Well built," "lightweight," ".45," "under $500" - pick any three.
Your search criteria is too narrow. A well-built, lightweight .45 does not exist for under $500 that I know of.
We were just talking about why 1911s aren't great carry guns (for the nth time) but the best full size .45 1911 for the price that you could get is the Umarex Regent R200SS, which is what I have. Mine was $450, and I spent another 20 bucks replacing the shitty aluminum magazine it ships with (I think I have read that they ship them with USGI spec steel mags now). While mine is just a range toy, I could carry it if I wanted to in an underarm holster under my jacket, and I would feel safe doing so as long as I wasn't getting mugged by more than 7 people at a time. However I usually count on there being at least 10 muggers so I carry my C96 and some spare clips instead.
You might find a Glock 21 for a bit over 500 (closer to or a bit above 600) but don't expect a deal to write home about from a gun store, as they will want to turn a profit. You'll probably pay 700 dollars in a gun store, but at least that way you're getting warranty/service/etc from any reputable store.
I believe the current .45 of choice for .45 guys is the FNX, but I'd feel safer with a USP after some bad experiences with FN products. You might just save your money a bit longer and wait until you can shell out a bit more for a higher end gun, you don't want to cheap out when it comes to self defense.[/QUOTE]
He could look for a police trade in Glock 21 though, my local GT Distributors was selling some for about $450. Also tbh, police trade in's seem to be more of a good buy then a bad one since most LEO's take pretty good care of their handguns and don't put like 9,000,000 fucking rounds through them a month.
I´m looking at the new Sig Sauer P320 in either .357 Sig or 9mm, anybody have any experience on those guns?
Picked up a Winchester SXP Combo (has the 28 inch barrel and the 18 inch barrel) at Academy on clearance for $279. Sexy pumpgun.
I did get some Hornady 3" shells for it, for home defense, but the shotgun doesn't want to cycle them too well. When you bring the pump back, they pull out of the tube just fine, but when you go to pull the pump forward again, it just locks up. You kinda have to jerk it back and forth a few times for it to actually get the shell to chamber. Anyone know why? The shotgun is rated for 3" shells.
[url]http://www.hornady.com/store/12-GA-Heavy-Magnum-Coyote-00-Buck-3/[/url]
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it says 70mm on the top of the box, which I've never seen before. I wonder if that has something to do with it?
regardless, it cycles 2.75" shells just fine. i'll stick with that for now
My Remington has problems with low brass. I've never understood why or how to fix it. Could that be the issue?
[editline]19th August 2015[/editline]
Oh hello prusse
Used Hoppes 9 solvent for the first time today because CLP wasn't cleaning my surplus shit well enough and my God does it ever smell terrible.
Confirmed the side of my shotgun just says 2.75" and 3"
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[QUOTE=DaCommie1;48497292]Used Hoppes 9 solvent for the first time today because CLP wasn't cleaning my surplus shit well enough and my God does it ever smell terrible.[/QUOTE]
If you don't love the smell of Hoppe's #9, that's un-American, and you need to turn in your man card.
Oh nvm, you're Canadian... :V
Most people love the smell, there are even Hoppes #9 air fresheners.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;48498294]If you don't love the smell of Hoppe's #9, that's un-American, and you need to turn in your man card.
Oh nvm, you're Canadian... :V
Most people love the smell, there are even Hoppes #9 air fresheners.[/QUOTE]
That's disgusting.
Meanwhile Frog Lube smells like mint, but it's a paste in its most commonly available form here, and I don't want to bother dealing with pastes.
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