[QUOTE=zach1193;48570642]I think you're underestimating criminals, most criminals dont' want to get caught, and the best one's would do all their research, just like any "profession"[/QUOTE]
I've been told that the majority of them think "this'll be piss easy, there's no way I'm getting caught" though.
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;48570430]So should I trade my sig in to buy a 1913mfg 1911 for $900[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't, unless you were planning to display it. Old guns like those are not something that you should use regularly, as it rapidly devalues them.
To be fair though, WWI era 1911s aren't super expensive to begin with. Especially if it was an A1 reissue. You're looking $600 to 900ish in great condition.
[QUOTE=zombini;48572063]I wouldn't, unless you were planning to display it. Old guns like those are not something that you should use regularly, as it rapidly devalues them.[/QUOTE]
I shoot my antiques all the time. If you take care of them they're just fine with it. Shooting old guns is fun. The good thing about the 1911 is if you're worried about wearing out the rifling, you can swap in a new made replacement barrel so you aren't hurting the old one. $900 is steep but if it's really a 1913 and hasn't been reworked I'd probably do it, guns are worth what you're willing to pay for them tbh and I wouldn't mind shelling out for a nice 1913.
Also, what serial range is the 1911 in? Mine's 1201xx and I shoot it reasonably often.
[QUOTE=mastoner20;48572161]To be fair though, WWI era 1911s aren't super expensive to begin with. Especially if it was an A1 reissue. You're looking $600 to 900ish in great condition.[/QUOTE]
lol what? Dude the one I'm looking at is actually a 1919 (I read the patent date) Remington UMC. Only made them from 1917-19 and 20,000 ever built. There's two originals on gunbroker for $3500 and $5000. Those are pristine and the one I'm looking at is worn good but still very valuable.
Only downside is a 50s rise rib on it that I'll be removing. I'll see if I wanna keep it OG or restore it. The gun is at a pawnshop so I'm going to get it monday. I'm not sure yet if I'm going to flip it or keep it. I've been on a WW1 kick recently so all I want is WW1 guns and pre A1 1911s are really cool to me.
I know I'm getting a steal so I'm cool with selling my P226, I don't like DAK anyway. Whether I wanna shoot it or not is debatable. It's worn but seems shootable.
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I'm [QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;48572410]lol what? Dude the one I'm looking at is actually a 1919 (I read the patent date) Remington UMC. Only made them from 1917-19 and 20,000 ever built. There's two originals on gunbroker for $3500 and $5000. Those are pristine and the one I'm looking at is worn good but still very valuable.
Only downside is a 50s rise rib on it that I'll be removing. I'll see if I wanna keep it OG or restore it. The gun is at a pawnshop so I'm going to get it monday. I'm not sure yet if I'm going to flip it or keep it. I've been on a WW1 kick recently so all I want is WW1 guns and pre A1 1911s are really cool to me.
I know I'm getting a steal so I'm cool with selling my P226, I don't like DAK anyway. Whether I wanna shoot it or not is debatable. It's worn but seems shootable.
Oh and the SN IS 614xxx[/QUOTE]
Small aid in helping with 1911 serials. 614xxx is listed there as Colt manufactured and would be one of a batch of about 50k before 1911s were suspended and transitioned over to A1 productions.
[url]http://www.coolgunsite.com/pistols/colt%20production.htm[/url]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/on8bdx4.jpg[/t]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/Sp3W6TQ.jpg[/t]
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I read the remington ran off Colt seriel logs at the end
I wouldn't pay $900 for it, it looks beat. Inspect rifling and make sure the original sights haven't been ground off to make room for that ridiculous thing.
It's listed at 900, im gonna try for 800. I still want it really bad. I imigine its tapped into the original sight posts.
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Rifling was dark but looked good to me.
Just keep in mind the pawn shop would probably rather let it sit and rust than let it go for less than sticker price. If you're willing to pay $900 for it then I guess it's worth $900 but that's what I paid for a much nicer C96 so I don't think I'd buy a much more common 1911 for that price, especially if it's been fixed up by Cletus in his garage. 1911s are only expensive because "muh 1911"
I like it because it's basically one of the first batches of 1911s ever built. I love the history of it and it being a military issue 1911. Who knows what that gun saw. I might keep it, who knows. I just love old guns that saw war
That's why I buy mine! I'm just making sure you know what you're getting into.
If it's a Remington, it should have a Remington stamp on the left side of the frame to the 1:30 position of the trigger well. The markings don't look right, looking like it has a Eagle which would signify Colt production Late-war/Post-war period.
Granted, I don't have that high res of a photo to work of, but the markings don't seem right. Also, it seems really weird looking at a Colt and not seeing the Rampant Colt rear markings. :v:
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Also, please don't take what I'm saying as you should or shouldn't buy it. I'm just trying to impart what wisdom and research I have on WWI/a1 rearm guns coming from a 1916 a1 rearm owner.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48572510]Just keep in mind the pawn shop would probably rather let it sit and rust than let it go for less than sticker price. If you're willing to pay $900 for it then I guess it's worth $900 but that's what I paid for a much nicer C96 so I don't think I'd buy a much more common 1911 for that price, especially if it's been fixed up by Cletus in his garage. 1911s are only expensive because "muh 1911"[/QUOTE]
a c96 in any condition for $900 is basically a unicorn though
[QUOTE=mastoner20;48572545]If it's a Remington, it should have a Remington stamp on the left side of the frame to the 1:30 position of the trigger well. The markings don't look right, looking like it has a Eagle which would signify Colt production Late-war/Post-war period.
Granted, I don't have that high res of a photo to work of, but the markings don't seem right. Also, it seems really weird looking at a Colt and not seeing the Rampant Colt rear markings. :v:
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Also, please don't take what I'm saying as you should or shouldn't buy it. I'm just trying to impart what wisdom and research I have on WWI/a1 rearm guns coming from a 1916 a1 rearm owner.[/QUOTE]
Well the eagle on the frame matches remington marks from the era but it can't tell if the E is on there next to the trigger guard. I inspected it in person but I was to excited to take my own pictures.
The slide is all marked Remington UMC which was only WW1, before remington rand which was WW2 1911s
so i've been considering getting a gun recently. the only experience i have is shooting a gallery .22 short pumpgun from 1921, and while that is a lot of fun i'd like to get something with more kick that isn't as heirloomy. i'd like to get a bolt action so i can, at least at first, focus on accuracy, and the simplicity (i assume) of a bolt action would be good for me as a beginner to get a hang of gun maintanence. what would you guys suggest as a nice, inexpensive bolt action chambered in a round that is easy and cheap to get? i've already considered a mosin nagant but i'd like some opinions besides my russaboo internet friend.
It shouldn't be an E. The Eagle's Head inspector stamp uses S and varying numbers to mark plant locations iirc.
But an E designates the inspector proof from Remington
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48572637]so i've been considering getting a gun recently. the only experience i have is shooting a gallery .22 short pumpgun from 1921, and while that is a lot of fun i'd like to get something with more kick that isn't as heirloomy. i'd like to get a bolt action so i can, at least at first, focus on accuracy, and the simplicity (i assume) of a bolt action would be good for me as a beginner to get a hang of gun maintanence. what would you guys suggest as a nice, inexpensive bolt action chambered in a round that is easy and cheap to get? i've already considered a mosin nagant but i'd like some opinions besides my russaboo internet friend.[/QUOTE]
A Mosin is a good starter I think, they're easy to take apart and clean and they've all got history if you're into that. Most domestic sport rifles will cost a lot more than they're really worth. Consider a shotgun - you can find old twin guns or pumps for pretty cheap.
If you really must have something new I can't recommend any rifles but a Mossberg 88 or any derivative is a good shotgun to have around.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48572637]i've already considered a mosin nagant[/QUOTE]
Fucking noooooooooo. Stop thinking that, right now.
Get a .22.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;48572926]Fucking noooooooooo. Stop thinking that, right now.
Get a .22.[/QUOTE]
He wants something punchier than a .22, which he's already shot. I can't blame him. I haven't enjoyed shooting my .22 since I got bigger guns.
He's got no shooting skills and no real reason to stick to the hobby after a bad experience, and you're telling him to get a x54r bolt gun that's expensive to feed and will be absolutely no fun to shoot.
I guess that's a good way to learn how to flinch and hate shooting and be stuck with a 4 foot long gun with no resale value.
In what country is it expensive to feed a Mosin? I love shooting mine and haven't paid a dime since the first time I bought ammo. There's a lot of mean stuff you can say about the Mosin but ammo cost is not one of them.
They're heavy, poorly balanced, and have a weirdly shaped stock. The bolt is rattly and the sights are garbage. But they're fun. Just understand that the Mosin is about as primitive as a bolt gun can get... which is good if you want a gun you can beat on and learn with. The Mosin will teach you to appreciate fine machining in a firearm.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48572976]In what country is it expensive to feed a Mosin? I love shooting mine and haven't paid a dime since the first time I bought ammo. There's a lot of mean stuff you can say about the Mosin but ammo cost is not one of them.
They're heavy, poorly balanced, and have a weirdly shaped stock. The bolt is rattly and the sights are garbage. But they're fun. Just understand that the Mosin is about as primitive as a bolt gun can get... which is good if you want a gun you can beat on and learn with. The Mosin will teach you to appreciate fine machining in a firearm.[/QUOTE]
Surplus Mosin food is about 60c to 70c a round last time I checked here in Australia. Commercial ammo is about the same as .303 British so $1 to $1.5 a round.
[QUOTE=download;48572990]Surplus Mosin food is about 60c to 70c a round last time I checked here in Australia. Commercial ammo is about the same as .303 British so $1 to $1.5 a round.[/QUOTE]
Ninja Gnome is in America, where you get x54r for 15-20 cents a round [I]or less[/I].
Yes, and you asked where it's expensive to feed a Mosin.
Oh, you're right, I did. :v:
corrosive surplus is dirt cheap yeah but I'm not a barbarian
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giving someone a mosin is the absolute best way to keep them uninterested in firearms. they hurt to shoot, don't function well, and are incredibly inaccurate.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48572976]In what country is it expensive to feed a Mosin? I love shooting mine and haven't paid a dime since the first time I bought ammo. There's a lot of mean stuff you can say about the Mosin but ammo cost is not one of them.
They're heavy, poorly balanced, and have a weirdly shaped stock. The bolt is rattly and the sights are garbage. But they're fun. Just understand that the Mosin is about as primitive as a bolt gun can get... which is good if you want a gun you can beat on and learn with. The Mosin will teach you to appreciate fine machining in a firearm.[/QUOTE]
You're really talking out your ass. They're not fun, there's no reason you should be 'beating on' your target rifles, you won't learn shit because you'll be too intimidated by it and it won't perform consistently, and no part of that rifle is 'finely machined'. Not to mention you mentioned a list of cons that far outweigh the pros, especially when they're not even cheap rifles anymore.
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