a mosin nagant is an absolutely brilliant gun at $75. they go for what, $200 now?
judging by the responses here, i think i might find an inexpensive .22 to start with. really, out of all of what i am looking for, firing a larger caliber is not at the top of the list. i would be completely fine buying a .22 if they're better starting guns. really, i'm looking for something to target practice with that isn't an antique, something that i can maintain and tinker with without feeling like i might wreck something valuable to the family.
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any specific kind that you guys would recommend or would that be best asked when i go to the gun shop?
I wouldn't spend even $800 on that thing. That is some serious discoloration on that receiver.
If you want a display piece, get something like a Remington 1911 R1. $500 and damn good looking gun.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/RLrasmcl.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48573314]judging by the responses here, i think i might find an inexpensive .22 to start with. really, out of all of what i am looking for, firing a larger caliber is not at the top of the list. i would be completely fine buying a .22 if they're better starting guns. really, i'm looking for something to target practice with that isn't an antique, something that i can maintain and tinker with without feeling like i might wreck something valuable to the family.
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any specific kind that you guys would recommend or would that be best asked when i go to the gun shop?[/QUOTE]
it's not a .22, but get a hi point 995 if you can find one. they're inexpensive, reliable, cheap to feed (though not as cheap as .22) and hit hard enough to be used for home defense if necessary.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48573314]judging by the responses here, i think i might find an inexpensive .22 to start with. really, out of all of what i am looking for, firing a larger caliber is not at the top of the list. i would be completely fine buying a .22 if they're better starting guns. really, i'm looking for something to target practice with that isn't an antique, something that i can maintain and tinker with without feeling like i might wreck something valuable to the family.
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any specific kind that you guys would recommend or would that be best asked when i go to the gun shop?[/QUOTE]
Try getting a Savage Mk II or a CZ 452 (or 455) if you want a bolt action.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;48573358]Try getting a Savage Mk II or a CZ 452 (or 455) if you want a bolt action.[/QUOTE]
A Savage Axis II would be a better thing to look at. A solid bolt gun that's available in a myriad of calibers(i suggest .223 for low ammo cost and extremely light recoil), and can be had for $400 or less. I'm actually kind of pissed because my local Wal-mart sold one(brand new, even had a scope) in .30-06 for $200, that's $100 cheaper than the rusty piece of shit M44 Mosin that the gun shop next to it had. I would've gladly walked out of there with it.
thank you for all the help. i should probably find a place to shoot. i am pretty sure i could use this big pile of dirt we have in my yard but neighbors moved in and i don't want to disturb them. how safe would it be to use a forest for backstop, especially when you know nobody is within miles of the direction you'd be shooting?
Depends on how the terrain slopes. If you can get a hill as a backdrop, it'll probably be fine.
Bullets can be very unpredictable, and will often bounce off trees, rocks or even mud with the right angle. Maybe you could chop down a couple of trees and construct a backstop?
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48573810]thank you for all the help. i should probably find a place to shoot. i am pretty sure i could use this big pile of dirt we have in my yard but neighbors moved in and i don't want to disturb them. how safe would it be to use a forest for backstop, especially when you know nobody is within miles of the direction you'd be shooting?[/QUOTE]
If it's a very long distance of more than 2 miles, it should be fairly safe. Most small rounds like .22LR and .223 will drop so far that they'll be in the dirt after only a few hundred yards, roughly 700+. For reference, a mile is 1760 yards, and the only rounds capable of reaching that far without being aimed at the sky would be anti-materiel class rounds like .50 BMG.
I would be extremely cautious around hunting season though, never know if a hunter would be out there.
I would love to purchase some WWI era and WWII era bolt action rifles just for fun, but I think it is frowned upon to go and shoot them at the local rifle range, since everyone who goes there do it exclusively for competitive rifle shooting.
I probably could do it anyway. It's a 2-300 meter range primarily intended for Scandinavian target rifles. I really have a huge interest in historical firearms. Lugers pistols are also quite affordable, and the ammunition is of course common.
Our club recently had to purchase new ammo however, so pistol ammo went up by 20% and rifle ammo went up by 50%, which pretty much makes shooting rifles too expensive for me.
I think they want 300-350DKK (45-52 USD) for a box of 50 rounds of 6,5x55, and you pretty much have to shoot a whole box each practice session, which makes the cost insane if you ask me.
I have been thinking about getting into IPSC, since a handful of the local shooters compete regularly. It's just quite a bit of equipment you need to get, but I talked to them and it didn't seem that expensive to be honest. I could probably make do with a standard CZ Shadow with some spare magazines, a belt with a holster and 4(?) mag pouches.
Do anyone here compete? I don't like the look of the speed holsters, so I would prefer a more normal holster, but I don't know if that's a good idea. Also I think you pretty much have to start reloading your own ammo, as you can save a lot of money that way.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;48573124]You're really talking out your ass. They're not fun, there's no reason you should be 'beating on' your target rifles, you won't learn shit because you'll be too intimidated by it and it won't perform consistently, and no part of that rifle is 'finely machined'. Not to mention you mentioned a list of cons that far outweigh the pros, especially when they're not even cheap rifles anymore.[/QUOTE]
I didn't suggest the Mosin was finely machined, I said it will teach you to appreciate guns that are. My Mosin didn't put me off shooting, it made me want to go buy a Lee Enfield.
They're still going for $150-200 around here so I wasn't aware they were no longer cheap elsewhere. .22s are boring and expensive to shoot anymore, you might as well buy a pellet gun.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48574896]I didn't suggest the Mosin was finely machined, I said it will teach you to appreciate guns that are.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget its intrinsic historical value.
I want to buy a Mosin almost for the historical value alone.
My first rifle was a 1935 Tula hex-top Mosin. Got it for $130, too bad you can't get the cool older ones for that cheap any more.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48574896]I didn't suggest the Mosin was finely machined, I said it will teach you to appreciate guns that are. My Mosin didn't put me off shooting, it made me want to go buy a Lee Enfield.
They're still going for $150-200 around here so I wasn't aware they were no longer cheap elsewhere. .22s are boring and expensive to shoot anymore, you might as well buy a pellet gun.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I would spend $400 and buy a Finn M39, and it will be the first and last mosin you ever buy, because you'll only want more Finn mosins after your first.
I don't think I've shot my 91/30s at all since I got my M39...
So nobody has any advice on starting more serious pistol shooting?
What would a good starter rig be, and what could be a solid surplus pistol to buy?
I'm not really a fan of Glocks. I mean they work, and they are easy and simple to use, they just don't feel very nice, and the one I tried didn't have a very good trigger, which is important for more competitive shooting.
So, my mom's girlfriend gave us to store here a serials matching Second Variant Mauser P38 in the 2xxxc range. It doesn't have the original holster, but is in decent condition and as far as I can tell by looking over the proof marks and firing pin. The barrel is slightly smoothed, but you can still see the groves pretty readily with the naked eye.
Dude... now I want one.... Fuuuuck...
[QUOTE=Bonde;48575559]So nobody has any advice on starting more serious pistol shooting?
What would a good starter rig be, and what could be a solid surplus pistol to buy?
I'm not really a fan of Glocks. I mean they work, and they are easy and simple to use, they just don't feel very nice, and the one I tried didn't have a very good trigger, which is important for more competitive shooting.[/QUOTE]
I have no personal experience with it but I've heard the cz75 is good.
[QUOTE=Bonde;48575559]So nobody has any advice on starting more serious pistol shooting?
What would a good starter rig be, and what could be a solid surplus pistol to buy?
I'm not really a fan of Glocks. I mean they work, and they are easy and simple to use, they just don't feel very nice, and the one I tried didn't have a very good trigger, which is important for more competitive shooting.[/QUOTE]
Surplus pistol for serious shooting... How about a Hi Power variant? Or even SIG P226s or CZ 75s
Most "surplus" pistols are single stack and aren't really great for competitive shooting.
As far as Glocks go, there are plenty of replacement trigger groups for them now, and if you have access to newer striker fired pistols such as the HK VP9 or Walther PPQ or Steyr M9A1, they have far superior triggers.
CZs and their many variants are quite popular for competitive shooting in Europe.
CZ, EAA, Tanfoglio, IMI, and Sphinx come time mind.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;48575815]your mum's dating a chick who owns a p38? sounds like the plot to some indie film[/QUOTE]
She was gifted it from her father who was a pretty serious collector and NRA contributor in NC. The thing is exciting and really makes me want a Luger and an M1 now, dammit... :(
I want a P38, but I don't know that I'd want the responsibility that comes with owning a Luger. Too many fragile tiny moving parts.
Not as worried about safe babies breaking. But that's just me.
[QUOTE=beanhead;48575798]I have no personal experience with it but I've heard the cz75 is good.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MAC21500;48575818]Surplus pistol for serious shooting... How about a Hi Power variant? Or even SIG P226s or CZ 75s
Most "surplus" pistols are single stack and aren't really great for competitive shooting.
As far as Glocks go, there are plenty of replacement trigger groups for them now, and if you have access to newer striker fired pistols such as the HK VP9 or Walther PPQ or Steyr M9A1, they have far superior triggers.
CZs and their many variants are quite popular for competitive shooting in Europe.
CZ, EAA, Tanfoglio, IMI, and Sphinx come time mind.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the suggestions both of you.
MAC21500, Since the Danish gun market isn't exactly big, I have to stick with something available. You have a hard time finding any of the brand new fancy handguns, because no one here is selling them. If I want something special, I will likely have to bother with importing it internationally, and as an individual, that can be extremely difficult.
Actually I browsed around a bit, and found a Danish store with some of the pistols that you mentioned. They have a respectable range of firearms (these are used), compared to what you usually see: [URL="http://huntershouse.dk/kat294-Brugte-pistoler-revolver/side1837-Grovpistoler.html"]huntershouse.dk/[/URL]
I had the CZ 75 "Shadow" recommended as a starter pistol by the local guys. As far as I can see it's a CZ 75 with some small improved features for competitive shooting.
EDIT:
Actually, you apparently can get quite a few new and interesting pistols, there's just one catch: Pistols for competitive shooting apparently have to be longer than 210mm (21cm). That limits me to full size hand guns.
[QUOTE=mastoner20;48576004]Not as worried about safe babies breaking. But that's just me.[/QUOTE]
I shoot all my antiques fairly regularly. That's what they're for, honestly. Lugers are too unreliable and too easy to break. That's kind of why I love my C96, it shoots like it's brand new and I never had trouble with it after replacing the weak recoil spring.
[QUOTE=Bonde;48576075]Thanks for the suggestions both of you.
MAC21500, Since the Danish gun market isn't exactly big, I have to stick with something available. You have a hard time finding any of the brand new fancy handguns, because no one here is selling them. If I want something special, I will likely have to bother with importing it internationally, and as an individual, that can be extremely difficult.
Actually I browsed around a bit, and found a Danish store with some of the pistols that you mentioned. They have a respectable range of firearms (these are used), compared to what you usually see: [URL="http://huntershouse.dk/kat294-Brugte-pistoler-revolver/side1837-Grovpistoler.html"]huntershouse.dk/[/URL]
I had the CZ 75 "Shadow" recommended as a starter pistol by the local guys. As far as I can see it's a CZ 75 with some small improved features for competitive shooting.
EDIT:
Actually, you apparently can get quite a few new and interesting pistols, there's just one catch: Pistols for competitive shooting apparently have to be longer than 210mm (21cm). That limits me to full size hand guns.[/QUOTE]
It's too bad you can't get the CZ P09, that would be the best option; CZ quality, polymer frame, and 19+1 9mm capacity in a full size gun.
So, my AK 74 fires, just it has troubles cycling another round unless I'm holding the magazine like a forward grip. I also had a shell malfunction and now have to get a broken shell extractor or do this to it:
[url]http://imgur.com/a/DctFI[/url]
Other than this, I'm happy it's together and in some sort of working order.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;48576193]It's too bad you can't get the CZ P09, that would be the best option; CZ quality, polymer frame, and 19+1 9mm capacity in a full size gun.[/QUOTE]
That sounds just like what I want, but I figured that it might be a good idea to start out buying something second hand.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;48576661]So, my AK 74 fires, just it has troubles cycling another round unless I'm holding the magazine like a forward grip. I also had a shell malfunction and now have to get a broken shell extractor or do this to it:
[url]http://imgur.com/a/DctFI[/url]
Other than this, I'm happy it's together and in some sort of working order.[/QUOTE]
Couldn't they use a 5.56 shell extractor, seeing as they are close enough?
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[QUOTE=Bonde;48576810]That sounds just like what I want, but I figured that it might be a good idea to start out buying something second hand.[/QUOTE]
They are only around $500 USD, about the same price as a new GLOCK and it has plenty of features that put it above other $500 pistols.
So sometimes, you need a little gun comedy to get you through poly-ticks 'muh guns' season.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLeG5-9NOzM[/media]
Also, in other news, I was prepared to hit my gunshow this weekend to pick up a new gun, but between protests (I live 30 min from where the WDBJ shooting occurred), and ridiculous prices I figured would happen, I just stayed home... :/
[QUOTE=MAC21500;48577282]Couldn't they use a 5.56 shell extractor, seeing as they are close enough?[/QUOTE]
Personally, I dunno. It might.
At least the cerrosafe inside the expanded casing sounds like a pretty solid idea actually.
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